funk metal (pre-'80s)

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whoa black betty, bam-a-lam.

Volker Schlöndorff (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 17 April 2005 20:45 (twenty years ago)

i'm thinkin' stuff like "release the beast" by breakwater.

Volker Schlöndorff (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 17 April 2005 20:47 (twenty years ago)

that zepplin song where the guy says "take me to the bridge" and the beat is all jamesbrown.

Bobby Peru (Bobby Peru), Sunday, 17 April 2005 20:50 (twenty years ago)

King Crimson's "Red" and Black Sabbath's "Supernaut"

Jordan (Jordan), Sunday, 17 April 2005 21:44 (twenty years ago)

the human instinct - black sally

later atomic rooster?

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Sunday, 17 April 2005 21:45 (twenty years ago)

there was tons of this stuff, obviously: aerosmith, nazareth, black pearl, "trampled under foot" (lots of zep is *way* funkier than "the crunge", which merely wore its james brown homage on its sleeve), humble pie, bon-era ac/dc, nugent, the rockets, skynyrd, the list goes on and on and on....but there are definitely other threads about this. the search function is highly encouraged.

have to admit i never heard of the human instinct or breakwater, though. who were they?

xhuxk, Sunday, 17 April 2005 21:52 (twenty years ago)

y'all totally need to check out black oak arksansas too: especially "hot n nasty" and "hot rod." and rick derringer. and babe ruth. and steppenwolf. and "hush" by deep purple. and "frankenstein" by edgar winter. and, oh yeah, grand funk and "funk #49". but i should just stop thinking about this; it's just way too easy, and i'd easily be here all night. (the point is that pre-1980 hard rock was basically *supposed* to be funky. it almost doesn't even make sense to make a list, since not til the '80s did metal make a point of *losing* its funk, so then people thought it was a big deal when metal bands tried being "funky." even though none of the '80s or '90s funk-metal bands were anywhere near as funky as *appetite for destruction.*, which nobody defined as funk-metal. but i have said this hundreds of times before, so i'll leave the thread to others now.)

xhuxk, Sunday, 17 April 2005 22:01 (twenty years ago)

(and there are ILM threads about '70s funk-metal from the funk side, too, btw.)

xhuxk, Sunday, 17 April 2005 22:21 (twenty years ago)

yeh yeh black oak!

human instinct were from new zealand, they flitted back and forth between NZ and the UK for a bit. early stuff was kinda dull blues rock. "black sally" was on their second album "stoned guitar," wherein they got hendrixy and heavy, and they covered a couple of songs by jessie harper (as good a 2nd-tier white jimi impersonator as you'll find).

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Sunday, 17 April 2005 22:28 (twenty years ago)

someone link me to these threads? i'm not sure what specifically to search for.

Volker Schlöndorff (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 17 April 2005 22:49 (twenty years ago)

i'm wondering where one would draw the line between funk metal and "boogie" (or "blooze") metal.

Volker Schlöndorff (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 17 April 2005 22:51 (twenty years ago)

Johnny the Fox by Thin Lizzy

mike sperry (ghost nuts), Sunday, 17 April 2005 22:54 (twenty years ago)

Black Acid Rock - S/D

not me (JasonD), Sunday, 17 April 2005 23:04 (twenty years ago)

sometimes im amazed at how much axl rose sounds like the black oak ar. guy

charleston charge (chaki), Sunday, 17 April 2005 23:28 (twenty years ago)

What Chuck said. Good hard rock was supposed to be funky. If it was funk-less it was because it was played by the inept. There are some exceptions. Alice Cooper was pretty unfunky, except for "Under My Wheels" and "Halo of Flies." Now wait a minute, "Yeah Yeah Yeah," --- forget I wrote that. Heh.

ZZ Top heavily had and got the funk. Brownsville Station, now Cub Koda and his buddy, they were funky men. Later Atomic Rooster, definitely, when Chris Farlowe was the singer. Deep Purple, man, you have to hear "Come Taste the Band," particularly, "Gettin' Tighter," which is outright funk metal.

Trapeze was completely about funk after the first album, which was about the Moody Blues and folk.

George Smith, Sunday, 17 April 2005 23:32 (twenty years ago)

Pat Travers was completely about the funk. "Putting It Straight" is the most aggressive example of it. Tommy Aldridge of BOA drummed for PT on the follow-up, "Heat In the Streat" was is equal parts funk, blues and stoked arena metal. Ted Nugent was utterly funky. His albums always went bad when he forgot that. Johnny Winter And, which ropes in Chuck's Derringer by default. Check "Out on a Limb" and "Funky Music." Most of the album "Still Alive and Well." Johnny and Edgar Winter always had Dan Hartman hanging around and he was ultra funky. So "They Only Come Out at Night" is one of the funkiest hard rock albums of all time, "Frankenstein," being pure funk instrumental. Derringer was guitar player as well as Ronnie Montrose, the latter who went brutal metal for a first Montrose album with Sammy Hagar. And than when Hagar left, Ronnie started getting more funky and arty with songs like "Dancin' Feet" and the standard, "20 Flight Rock," and "Jump On It," which really brings it.

Hundreds of records.

George Smith, Monday, 18 April 2005 00:11 (twenty years ago)

I was going to bring up The Edgar Winter Group but Chuck and George beat me to them.

So I'll offer The Doors - Peace Frog

jim wentworth (wench), Monday, 18 April 2005 01:05 (twenty years ago)

POWER OF ZEUS, nuxx!

mucho, Monday, 18 April 2005 01:39 (twenty years ago)

Ooh, that Rare Earth title made me think of late 60s to mid 70s J. Geils for some reason. Whaddaya know? I saw both of these bands!

jim wentworth (wench), Monday, 18 April 2005 01:52 (twenty years ago)

"show stoppers"

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 18 April 2005 01:53 (twenty years ago)

whoa black betty, bam-a-lam
You can sing this over mia's galang. try it.

m0stly clean (m0stly clean), Monday, 18 April 2005 02:09 (twenty years ago)

okay Xhuxk, tell me which Zepplin tracks are funkier please? (I wanna know!)

Bobby Peru (Bobby Peru), Monday, 18 April 2005 03:26 (twenty years ago)

Candy Store Rock is fairly funky, I think that's off Presence

mentalist (mentalist), Monday, 18 April 2005 04:56 (twenty years ago)

FOCUS IS FUNKY! I like Focus 3!

charleston charge (chaki), Monday, 18 April 2005 04:58 (twenty years ago)

okay Xhuxk, tell me which Zepplin tracks are funkier please? (I wanna know!)

Jumping in ready or not here I come. "PG" is majorly funkified. "Achilles Last Stand" from whatever. "Black Dog" -- ha-ha, sounds real straight forward, isn't went you get to the nitty gritty. Anything Zep does in swing time is by definition funky. That extends to a lot of the heavy Brit white blooz bands of the time. Ten Years After was a funky band, jazzy, noisy and often capable of brilliantly economical bursts of rockabilly, too. Youlden-fronted Savoy Brown never released an unfunky record, only "Getting to the Point" was subdued, relatively speaking. They break into calypso on the live side of "A Step Further" and "A Little More Wine" from "Raw Sienna" was another highpoint. An early vid of it made it onto Friday late night rock concert TV in the early 70's, so funky, Youlden in a top hat, puffing out smoke rings from a big stogie to the downbeat.

From there, you will want to get into "Street Corner Talking," which is even a funky title for an album. Dave Bidwell was the drummer on it and was known for his exceptional use of swinging beat.

As Jim mentioned, first two J. Geils albums are definitions of greaser funk. Live album, "Full House," takes the best songs, makes them louder. Injects hysteria and boogie. "House Party" is more bopping funk, best cut is the barnstorming title track. "Shoot Your Shot" from "Blow Your Face Out" should be heard. "Love-itis" from the red album with the telephone on the cover.

"Centerfold's" obvious. The earlier stuff before they had the hit single is harder sounding.

Ram Jam is worth investigating because "Black Betty" isn't the only song worth hearing on the first album. "Right On the Money" is excellent and my favorite. The CD reissues combine the first and second album, "Portrait of the Artist as a Young Ram." Which is completely different and you'll think it's someone else and it probably was because Kasenetz-Katz owned Ram Jam as the concept and no doubt stuck whomever they felt like in the studio to make albums under the name. There's no denying, anyway, that the second album is equally good, but over-the-top screaming pop metal, ahead of its time slightly when issued.

Lots of Spirit was funky and hard rocking. "Uncle Jack," "Dark Eyed Woman," and "Fresh Garbage," which, I thin' Pink stole for a track that made it into a movie I see regularly on cable but cannot remember the name of right now.

Jo Jo Gunne was a hinge mid-70's hard rock band blown away by Kiss in the minds of kids. Maybe the kids didn't want the funk, they wanted the dynamite. "Run Run Run," their one hit which made them wonders, was very funky and boogie.

REO Speedwagon made an almost straight funk album which no one remembers and they will never mention. Was produced by Sly Stone, or he had something major to do with the sessions. Unfortunately, it spawned no memorable tuneage.

George Smith, Monday, 18 April 2005 05:15 (twenty years ago)

i'm wondering where one would draw the line between funk metal and "boogie" (or "blooze") metal.

There is no line. Foghat, for instance, their first three albums are intensely funky, particularly "Rock 'N' Roll," and "Energized." Heck, I'll even throw in "Rock 'N' Roll Outlaws" for "Eight Days on the Road." And Foghat -was- Savoy Brown behind Chris Youlden. And with TYA you have three major-selling practitioners of boogie in the arenas.

Robin Trower did a lot of heavy funky albums and he is mostly regarded as a heavy white blooz man who oozed more than he boogied. Although boogies don't necessarily have to be fast. He also used Sly Stone's drummer and you can hear that on his first live album, particularly the cover of "Too Rolling Stoned."

George Smith, Monday, 18 April 2005 05:27 (twenty years ago)

And you have to listen to Peter Green Fleetwood Mac's "Oh Well" which leaves a footprint through all this stuff. Bob Welch did a good version of it too.

George Smith, Monday, 18 April 2005 05:42 (twenty years ago)

ok, i'm convinced that Boogie Rock was the funk metal of the 70's

mike sperry (ghost nuts), Monday, 18 April 2005 13:01 (twenty years ago)

>Fleetwood Mac's "Oh Well"...leaves a footprint through all this stuff. Bob Welch did a good version of it too.

xhuxk, Monday, 18 April 2005 15:23 (twenty years ago)

as did the rockets.

(guess i have to avoid greater than and less than signs again. fuck.)

anyway:

How much rock music do you find danceable?

xhuxk, Monday, 18 April 2005 15:26 (twenty years ago)

What bands are FUNKY, but they are seldom described that way?

xhuxk, Monday, 18 April 2005 15:29 (twenty years ago)

My own personal Zep-funk POV (ignoring "The Crunge"):

1.Trampled Underfoot
2.Hots On For Nowhere
3.Good Times Bad Times
4.The Wanton Song
5.Royal Orleans (It's too bad you can't make out the lyrics to that last one, 'cause there's a pretty funny Barry White reference in there.)

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Monday, 18 April 2005 15:40 (twenty years ago)

The Jimmy Castor Bunch invented funk metal salsa on tracks like "LTD (Life Truth Death)," "Party Life" and "Psyche."

Mothers Finest were a black rock band w/ funk metal moments in the late 70s. Frankly, they're a little dull IMHO.

and don't forget electric Miles Davis circa Jack Johnson/On The Corner/Big Fun/Get Up With It/Agharta. Funky metal machine music.

"Metal on Metal" by Kraftwerk is funky, but not the same "metal."

m coleman (lovebug starski), Monday, 18 April 2005 15:47 (twenty years ago)

The Bobby Harrison solo album FUNKIST with Iommi playing on half the tracks.

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Monday, 18 April 2005 18:05 (twenty years ago)

seven years pass...

bump cauze this is blowing my fucking mind

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jCd9vg3BDw

some dude nights (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 1 July 2012 15:04 (thirteen years ago)

70s Scorpions with Uli Jon Roth is ASTOUNDING. Keep digging and the mind keeps blowing.

EZ Snappin, Sunday, 1 July 2012 15:14 (thirteen years ago)

why is everyone shitting on "The Crunge" in here :(

some dude nights (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 1 July 2012 15:28 (thirteen years ago)

I mean, I think anything like "The Mexican"/"Johnny the Fox"/"The Crunge" that's actually been turned into workable breakbreats > anything else no?

some dude nights (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 1 July 2012 15:31 (thirteen years ago)


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