FLAWLESS ALBUMS which overexposure and over-intellectualization have relocated to the realm of "played out" and corny

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1. Led Zeppelin IV

― Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Thursday, 21 April 2005 01:36 (twenty years ago)

2. EVERYTHING BY THE BEATLES

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 21 April 2005 01:38 (twenty years ago)

3. OK Computer

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 21 April 2005 01:38 (twenty years ago)

The first three are absolutely perfect examples, although I wouldn't go so far as to say they are corny.

― jmeister (jmeister), Thursday, 21 April 2005 01:42 (twenty years ago)

well, to some assholes they're corny... you know what I mean.

― Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Thursday, 21 April 2005 01:43 (twenty years ago)

True, true
Marvin Gaye - What's Goin On

― jmeister (jmeister), Thursday, 21 April 2005 01:44 (twenty years ago)

I don't know what exactly, but at least a few by Pink Floyd.

― Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Thursday, 21 April 2005 01:48 (twenty years ago)

stones from beggars banquet to exile. aftermath as well.

― dl, Thursday, 21 April 2005 01:55 (twenty years ago)

Van Morrison - Astral Weeks
The Clash - The Clash
etc.

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 21 April 2005 01:55 (twenty years ago)

Yeah At least DSOTM

― jmeister (jmeister), Thursday, 21 April 2005 01:56 (twenty years ago)

here are some albums i REALLY HOPE this doesnt happen to, but fear ...?

36 chambers
loveless

― jake b. (cerybut), Thursday, 21 April 2005 01:57 (twenty years ago)

Yeah At least DSOTM

Yeah, at least Dip Shit is On The Money?

― Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Thursday, 21 April 2005 01:58 (twenty years ago)

Yeah Dips shit, etc.
No. Dark Side of the Moon. In reference to your Pink Floyd comment.

― jmeister (jmeister), Thursday, 21 April 2005 02:00 (twenty years ago)

Ha, ha, sorry I'm a little drunk right now.

― Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Thursday, 21 April 2005 02:00 (twenty years ago)

Massive Attack - "Blue lines"

Orbital - "Brown album"

Tribe Called Quest - "Midnight Marauders"

― Jacob (Jacob), Thursday, 21 April 2005 02:01 (twenty years ago)

OK Computer

Hm...well, at least the second part of this topic applies to that one.

― Zack Richardson (teenagequiet), Thursday, 21 April 2005 02:08 (twenty years ago)

Everything from Creedence 1968-1970.

― Stupornaut (natepatrin), Thursday, 21 April 2005 02:09 (twenty years ago)

I don't get the premise of this thread. If you feel that something is being overexposed or overintellectualized, then isn't the answer to simply not pay attention to the people who are doing the overexposing or overintellectualizing?

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 21 April 2005 02:39 (twenty years ago)

shut up you

― Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Thursday, 21 April 2005 02:40 (twenty years ago)

Aretha Franklin - I Never Loved a Man

― whenuweremine (whenuweremine), Thursday, 21 April 2005 03:06 (twenty years ago)

Overexposure might imply that it is unavoidable

― jmeister (jmeister), Thursday, 21 April 2005 03:41 (twenty years ago)

metallica -- the black album
50 cent -- get rich or die tryin'

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 21 April 2005 03:53 (twenty years ago)

ziggy stardust

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 21 April 2005 03:54 (twenty years ago)

50 cent? yeah maybe the massacre but get rich? puhleeeze

― jmeister (jmeister), Thursday, 21 April 2005 03:55 (twenty years ago)

"Overexposure might imply that it is unavoidable"

When is paying attention to the media unavoidable, though?

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 21 April 2005 04:19 (twenty years ago)

Never.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 21 April 2005 04:20 (twenty years ago)

50 cent? yeah maybe the massacre but get rich? puhleeeze

??? do you mean that "the massacre" is the overplayed masterpiece and that "get rich ... " is underplayed, or that "get rich ... " is such a masterpiece that 20 zillion playings can't destroy?!?

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 21 April 2005 04:23 (twenty years ago)

Kind of Blue (not corny, though)

― Seuss, Thursday, 21 April 2005 04:24 (twenty years ago)

Metallica - Master Of Puppets & The Black Album

I don't think they're corny, I just think Metallica has been able to ride the brilliance of Master Of Puppets and the commerical success of the Black Album for way too long. I almost don't know if those records, as great as they are, are worth the free ride they've given these guys. All they've done for the past 14 years is put out half-assed alt-blues-metal records and a ridiculous movie basically about how much of a prick their drummer is. And I get the feeling they'll be able to do whatever they want for as long as they want. I used to really love 'em but FUCK..

― Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Thursday, 21 April 2005 05:18 (twenty years ago)

Wait, I think I misinterpreted the thread title. I thought the premise was that there are certain albums that are deemed "played out and corny" by canon-bashing ILMers but which are in fact still flawless classics. Maybe I read it backwards.

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 21 April 2005 05:25 (twenty years ago)

I was just joking

― jmeister (jmeister), Thursday, 21 April 2005 07:18 (twenty years ago)

i was joking about 50 Cent beacause I think Get rich is far from flawless and 50 was overexposed before his album even dropped. As far as avoiding mass media, yeah of course thats possible but try going to a TGI fridays and not hearing a Beatles song or for example I walked by a Starbucks and heard Kind of Blue. I wouldn't recommend going near them personally but music is everywhere in our society and is unavoidable unless youre a hermit or something.

― jmeister (jmeister), Thursday, 21 April 2005 07:26 (twenty years ago)

one more thing, i readily admit I was being a dick by questioning your selections eisbar and I did so incoherently, so there's the cherry on top. Ugh bed time for me.

― jmeister (jmeister), Thursday, 21 April 2005 07:33 (twenty years ago)

arular

― mullygrubbr (bulbs), Thursday, 21 April 2005 07:53 (twenty years ago)

not that i'd know. i've owned it for a couple of months and haven't listened to it and have avoided all the threads on it. so its prob not flawless.

― mullygrubbr (bulbs), Thursday, 21 April 2005 07:54 (twenty years ago)

I think I disagree with the initial premise. Let me rephrase the question slightly (and in abstract, metaphysical terms. Sorry.):

"Find examples of artworks for which the following statements seem to be valid: 1 These artworks were true. 2. They are no longer true. 3. The change has been the result of the interaction with these artworks of both 3.1 too many people who do not analyse artworks and 3.2 a small group of people who do analyse artworks."

The flaw in the argument is that truth is seen as both ahistorical (it ought not to be affected by 3.1 and 3.2) and historical (it is affected by 3.1 and 3.2). So the change in status of the artwork comes from outside the artwork, but (I may be reading the normative assumption in) it ought not to. If our theory of the artwork includes both a historical dimension of the truth of the artwork itself AND does not hypostasise the artwork as an object rather than treating the artwork as including its interactions with 3.1 and 3.2, we might be getting somewhere.

Carry on.

― alext (alext), Thursday, 21 April 2005 09:13 (twenty years ago)

for me this is all about nirvana - nevermind.

totally played out.

― mark e (mark e), Thursday, 21 April 2005 09:31 (twenty years ago)

Dark Side of the Moon, Let It Be, and Graceland.

Possibly also London Calling.

― The Mad Puffin, Thursday, 21 April 2005 13:13 (twenty years ago)

Fleetwood Mac - Rumours

Green Day - Dookie

― JP Almeida (JP Almeida), Thursday, 21 April 2005 13:31 (twenty years ago)

Everything by the Beatles.
Exile on Main Street by the Stones
London Callling by the Clash

...fuck, loads of others.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 21 April 2005 13:40 (twenty years ago)

Outkast Stankonia

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 21 April 2005 13:45 (twenty years ago)

Both Dizzee Rascal albums.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 21 April 2005 13:46 (twenty years ago)

I don't know if those should count though, because they're such young releases.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 21 April 2005 13:46 (twenty years ago)

I agree with the premise and most of the picks. For me, most of the overexposure was done myself by playing certain albums to death. For instance I would probably still list the Beatles as my favorite band but I hardly ever listen to them intentionally because I played them morning noon and night when I was a pre-teen. The same might have happened to me with this first Modern Lovers album. In fact I don't really understand how people can listen to their favorite record day after day, year after year. I usually have to take long breaks away from them, decades maybe. But maybe you are only talking about media overexposure.

Nobody said Purple Rain yet.

― Ken L (Ken L), Thursday, 21 April 2005 13:48 (twenty years ago)

it will probably be several years before i can enjoy Marquee Moon again, though i wouldn't say it's corny.

― andrew m. (andrewmorgan), Thursday, 21 April 2005 15:57 (twenty years ago)

Closer for me. It was my favourite album at one point, and then I stopped listening to it because I haven't had any urge to hear it anymore. I tried the other day and it was just blah.

― Ian Riese-Moraine. To Hell with you and your gradual evolution! (Eastern Mantra), Thursday, 21 April 2005 16:29 (twenty years ago)

So the thread is about albums that we personally think are played out and corny? Not albums that we actually think are flawless that other people consider corny?

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 21 April 2005 16:37 (twenty years ago)

I just had this conversation with a friend yesterday, and we chose:
odelay
check your head
ok computer

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 21 April 2005 17:23 (twenty years ago)

harvest
illmatic

― mucho, Thursday, 21 April 2005 17:43 (twenty years ago)

fucking Nirvana - Nevermind

― The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Thursday, 21 April 2005 17:44 (twenty years ago)

master p - ghetto d

― scg, Thursday, 21 April 2005 17:47 (twenty years ago)

yeah, nevermind, but not as a result of over-intellectualization.

the first four talking heads albums, because my roommate listens to them ALL THE TIME. anything by bob dylan.

― Ian John50n (orion), Thursday, 21 April 2005 17:50 (twenty years ago)

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