I've done tons of reading on ILM about the genre (lots of the records mentioned on these are hard for me to get my hands on), but I'd like to learn more about grime and the genres that informed it through individual tracks -- I would like you to suggest these. So, (deep breath) a history of grime in songs?
― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Friday, 22 April 2005 01:17 (twenty years ago)
― ivy (ivy), Friday, 22 April 2005 01:19 (twenty years ago)
― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Friday, 22 April 2005 01:21 (twenty years ago)
― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 22 April 2005 01:26 (twenty years ago)
― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 22 April 2005 01:27 (twenty years ago)
― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Friday, 22 April 2005 01:28 (twenty years ago)
There are also a couple of solid Matt Woebot CDRs floating around which are totally worthwhile and contain most of the stuff on these "grimers".
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 22 April 2005 01:32 (twenty years ago)
― Amon (eman), Friday, 22 April 2005 01:51 (twenty years ago)
― Guy Incognito (Guy Incognito), Friday, 22 April 2005 01:53 (twenty years ago)
― $V£N! (blueski), Friday, 22 April 2005 09:42 (twenty years ago)
― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Friday, 22 April 2005 10:41 (twenty years ago)
My friend IRL, and he posts here sometimes. This guy invests more heart and time into grime than anyone I know. His site's on hiatus right now but trust me, kid is DEDICATED.
― LeCoq (LeCoq), Friday, 22 April 2005 10:44 (twenty years ago)
1. Pay As U Go Kartel - "Know We"2. More Fire Crew - "Oi!" 3. Musical Mobb - "Pulse X"4. Dizzee Rascal - "I Luv U"5. Kano - "Boys Luv Girls"6. Danny Weed & Target - "Fresh Air"/"Hyperdrive"7. DEE - "Birds In Da Sky"8. Wiley ft. Dizzee Rascal - "Ice Rink"9. Jammer ft. His Homies - "Destruction" (non-VIP mix plz)10. Durty Doogz - "Hold Me Down (No No No)"11. Big E-D ft. DEE - "Frontline"12. Dizzee Rascal ft. Breeze & Jamakabi - "Win"13. Sadie ft. Kano - "So Sure"14. Target ft. Riko - "Chosen One"15. Trim ft. DEE, Wiley, Footsie, & Riko - "Boogieman"16. Crazy Titch - "Singalong"17. Ruff Sqwad - "Anna"18. Kano ft. slightly annoying femme vox - "What Have You Done"19. SLK - "Hype Hype (Wonder Refix)"20. Lethal B Ft. Hackney Glee Club - "Pow (Forward)"
― strng hlkngtn, Friday, 22 April 2005 11:02 (twenty years ago)
― $V£N! (blueski), Friday, 22 April 2005 11:08 (twenty years ago)
― Levinicus (nordicskilla), Friday, 22 April 2005 15:51 (twenty years ago)
That's part of what I was lamely attempting to request.
― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Friday, 22 April 2005 18:56 (twenty years ago)
― LeCoq (LeCoq), Friday, 22 April 2005 19:04 (twenty years ago)
I was very fond of MC Creed back in the day, who'd do this kind of "bee biddabee bee biddabee" thing over the top of a lot of speed garage tracks. He had a kind of mix-album out in 2000, with a crew of MCs he was gathering called "Vocal Fusion". This was a straight mixed-compilation but where the MCs were definitely the stars (although they were relatively sparse compared to contemporary grime.)
Also, Zed Bias. Was listening to his "Sound of the pirates" album (from around 2000) last week, and what strikes me is how weird that sound was.
Basically smooth soulful garage singers or fairly easy loping, Jamaican MCs : compressed, diced and squeezed by various filters and effects. And accompanied by disturbing bass pulses and rather alienating shimmering chords or chunky organ bass.
There's sheen that's both totally slick, rich and yet disturbingly unfriendly and paranoid. See what Zed Bias does to the Artful Dodger's "Moving too fast" or the intro Summavybes on that Sound of the Pirates album. The voices here are completely *oppressed* by the technology and music.
Of course, what happened next, is the voices struck back. I appreciate the genius of what this evolved into : So Solid, Rolldeep etc. And beats from Wiley and co. are extraordinary.
But ...
the grime I've been downloading more recntly : Kano, Shystee et al. while their vocals are great, actually does seem to have lost something in the music. It *is* becoming more like hip-hop. Not the rhythms, which are still frenetic. (Although so are southern hip-hop beats) It's the quality of the sound : dirty, heavy, raw but somehow loose and lazy.
There doesn't seem to be any surpression or sublimation in the music. No desire to make a sound that stands-out or commands attention, because frankly the MC is gonna be stamping all over it. Today, these guys are off the hook and on the rampage, holding it down. But the music has simply lost the battle. As in mainstream US hip-hop, the beat is now just a vehicle for the MC.
― phil jones (interstar), Friday, 22 April 2005 20:02 (twenty years ago)
I guess that's what happened to the "sound" in speed garage. I'm noticing how much you can trace back of what's striking on that Rephlex album to this Zed Bias sound.
― phil jones (interstar), Friday, 22 April 2005 20:12 (twenty years ago)
OTM! as someone who is slightly OCD about punnery that drove me up the wall! i guess that means i belong in an institution or something
― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 22 April 2005 20:52 (twenty years ago)
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 22 April 2005 21:07 (twenty years ago)
thirded!! It's so obvious and satisfying it's a tragedy not to use it.
― LRJP! (LRJP!), Saturday, 23 April 2005 15:56 (twenty years ago)
― strng hlkngtn, Saturday, 23 April 2005 16:48 (twenty years ago)
― biznotic, Saturday, 23 April 2005 16:51 (twenty years ago)
― s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 23 April 2005 16:55 (twenty years ago)
― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Saturday, 23 April 2005 23:48 (twenty years ago)
72 results found:
― DAEREST V1CE MAGAZINE!!!!! (ex machina), Friday, 17 June 2005 20:48 (twenty years ago)