hey gareth, scott ... ! san francisco is burning! (morton subtonick and others)

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hey guys,

first off -- thanks for the recommendation on morton sutonick (am spelliing the name wrong, i know! gareth ... IT IS MAD MUSIC. like autechre thirty years ago. fuck me. what a recommendation, i got it in a shop in monterey for a quid!

what have you guys been listening to as of late?

in california i got:

residual echoes - the diy effort with painted cover
tonnes of sandy bull - amazing ragas - does he pre-date john fahey?
sweetwater - nice hippie rock
buffy saint marie - like it all and got it all but not keen on the country album
om and residual echoes stuff on holy mountain (west coast reconfigured? this stuff is great!

plus loads of other records ... claudine longet, yma sumac, les baxter ... hollywood in lounge headquarters. but the wild bull album and sandy bull albums are making the big impressions.

i also picked up tonnes of sharon tate soundtracks!

doomie x, Sunday, 24 April 2005 12:27 (twenty years ago)

Which Morton Subotnick album did you get?

Pashmina (Pashmina), Sunday, 24 April 2005 12:45 (twenty years ago)

You know that a bunch of his stuff was meant to be peformed in quad, and I think there are some 5.1 dvd reissues that er address this shortcoming w/CD? There's info on this site:

http://www.buzzclick-music.com

if you trawl around.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Sunday, 24 April 2005 12:47 (twenty years ago)

the wild bull ... gareth was talking about him but the wild bull was like 20 quid in london. when i saw it for one quid (two dollars) ... i thought ... lets give this a go. its so wild, norman. heavier than carlos or copper plated intergrated circuit.

how do you mean in quad? just out the door... please tell me.

doomie x, Sunday, 24 April 2005 12:48 (twenty years ago)

Quadraphonic - front and reap stereo pairs of speakes, a kind of precursor to "surround sound" I guess.

The Buchla modular synthesiser he used on the early recs had a module called s.th. like the "quad spatial director" and a bunch of modules designed to simulate sounds moving closer and further away. It's a pretty bizarre (& awesome) instrument.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Sunday, 24 April 2005 12:50 (twenty years ago)

how weird is that? the album sort of stimulates a LSD high...

any thoughts on sandy bull? i think he's terrific. like running though the byrds eight mile high riff only on acoustic for half a record.

doomie x, Sunday, 24 April 2005 12:51 (twenty years ago)

The album I have is called "A Sky of Cloudless Sulphur" (or "sulfur") and yeah, the guy was (& is) out there on his own.

Never heard of Sandy Bull, sorry!

I've been heavily into Eclection's only album, but I think I've blethered about that to you before.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Sunday, 24 April 2005 12:54 (twenty years ago)

norman, hunt down sandy bull .. he released three albums on the vanguarde folk label. seriously, it is terrific mindblowing stuff. i think you would really like it. thirty minute ragas from 1966!

can you link me up for eclection's album?

doomie x, Sunday, 24 April 2005 12:56 (twenty years ago)

If you do a trawl of the analogue heaven mail list archives at:

http:www.retrosynth.com

there is stuff abt Morton Subotnick, reports abt lectures he gives and stuff like that. If you could place a piece on Morton Subotnick, Donald Buchla and the work the did w/early music tech, I'd fucking LOVE to read it.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Sunday, 24 April 2005 12:57 (twenty years ago)

Eclection's album is this incredibly folk-pop piece, it came out on Elektra, and it got reissued by collector's choice a couple of years ago, but both copies I picked up had faulty mastering or pressing, so look for a vinyl copy, unless the CD re got fixed. Wait till you hear their singer, when she lets go it's like being run over by a steamroller!

Pashmina (Pashmina), Sunday, 24 April 2005 13:00 (twenty years ago)

incredibly powerful, that shd read. If I listen to the best cuts on "Eclection", then listen to "Forever Changes", it makes Forever Changes" sound a bit weak! No shit!!

Pashmina (Pashmina), Sunday, 24 April 2005 13:01 (twenty years ago)

Sandy Bull's good. Pretty sure Fahey predates him by a long shot, not that it matters.

A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Sunday, 24 April 2005 13:03 (twenty years ago)

Wow, I just saw this thread and i happen to be listening to the World Of Oz! And before that, Chad & Jeremy's Distant Shores album. How appropriate somehow. Doomie, i think you would like the new album by Nobody. I wrote a review of it, I'll try and find it on the interweb.

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 24 April 2005 13:21 (twenty years ago)

here it is:

http://citypages.com/databank/26/1271/article13187.asp


not essential or anything, but i thought of you when i heard it cuzza the beechwood sparks and curt boettcher stuff on it.

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 24 April 2005 13:26 (twenty years ago)

now i'm listening to carnival in babylon by amon duul 2. i used to think i had a cut-off for amon duul 2. that there was a point where i didn't like their albums, but i've found this isn't true. i was listening to hi jack last nite, and i like that a bunch as well. and other later albums.

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 24 April 2005 13:30 (twenty years ago)

Here's the stuff about Morton Subotnick on Peter Grenader's site:

http://www.buzzclick-music.com/mort_lore.html

It's quite technical, but worth reading. Peter seems to be a nice fellow, as well. There are links to the 2 Subotnick electonic works CDs at the bottom.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Sunday, 24 April 2005 13:34 (twenty years ago)

Doomie, you were in Monterey? My parents live in Carmel.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 24 April 2005 14:03 (twenty years ago)

Clint Eastwood! Clint Eastwood! There, I thought I'd get that out of the way for you, Ned.

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 24 April 2005 14:16 (twenty years ago)

Hey Doomie, I mentioned Sandy Bull the other day on the "soulful folk" thread. Did you get the one with Billy Higgins on drums? Great stuff.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Sunday, 24 April 2005 15:13 (twenty years ago)

hey doomie, i wish i was in monterey. i was in north carolina last month, not quite the same, but i did see some interesting things (a 68 dayglo christian pop record by Young & United in Wake Forest, which i didn't pick up for some reason). i was thinking about california for next week, but looks like stockholm instead right now. hopefully later in the summer

as to what i've been playing recently,,,

the inner dialogue lp from 69, on lawrence welks label ranwood(!), fantastic softpop, similarish to the free design, but COLD, like sunshineCOLD, clinical

ennio morricone's vergogna schifosi soundtrack, also from 69, hazy dreamy narcotic fluffyness

this track by stu phillips, of a-team/battlestar galactica fame, from his 1970 soundtrack to the film Follow Me (not to be confused with the john barry scored 1972 film), its about californian surfers in INDIA, i've tried to track down the record but failed (it has desi denny and billy on it too!)

the love generation - montage from how sweet it is, jimmy webb song, i dont know if this version is the best, or the other version, by...seomeone else i forget, but this is top drawer soft pop,. but i think you already probably have this

tom dissevelts early 60s dutch electronics

bob james and deodato, getting into that cti sound again

some schoolband music i found, some of its a bit wacky, but some of it is great, esp to a brit, sounds so distant and unreal

stars of the lids last album, should i get the dead texan too?

LOADS of hawaiian music, sol hoopii, al shaw, mcentire, andy iona, this was the sndtrck to our va/nc roadtrip, along with kay adams and patsy cline and, unfortunately, morrissey:(

bo hanssons 1972 swedish take on lord of the rings, its ok, kind of heavyrockmoogspherics

best of jean shephard, one of the most overlooked country singers?

cosmic michaels first lp, from 1970, outsider farfisa psyche

i bought a bunch of stuff, that i havent heard or mp3d yet

a Moggi lp (peiro umilianis 70s electronic stuff)

bobby brown live in 78, (the 2nd lp, he was supporting fleetwood mac in santa barbara,
but this was recorded out the back of his van)

onstage majority, moogloungepsycheweirdness, havent heard it yet, looking forward

christian bruhns soundtrack to timm thaler, from 1979. bruhn was always the king of prog-disco-electronics, never goblin!

charltonlido (gareth), Sunday, 24 April 2005 15:24 (twenty years ago)

Clint Eastwood! Clint Eastwood! There, I thought I'd get that out of the way for you, Ned.

Thank you. *beats Scott down anyway*

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 24 April 2005 15:28 (twenty years ago)

i found a bunch of barrel organ/music box things as well, which seem pretty nice so far

and been playing all the manix reinforced 12s again, so disoriented and woozy,

i have been wondering about music from Guam, and how there doesnt seem to be any, at least, not readily available

charltonlido (gareth), Sunday, 24 April 2005 15:29 (twenty years ago)

oh, yma sumac!

do you have her 'rock' lp, miracles, from 1972?

charltonlido (gareth), Sunday, 24 April 2005 15:30 (twenty years ago)

i got the dead texan as well, but i havent played it yet. i dont like the packaging though:( tired sounds had such a beautiful sleeve!

charltonlido (gareth), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 08:16 (twenty years ago)

oh, i just realised, although i like morton subotnick, i never recommended him to you doomie. i think i recommended...

...MORT GARSON!

charltonlido (gareth), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 08:17 (twenty years ago)

OH NO! BLOODY MORTS!

doomie x, Wednesday, 27 April 2005 08:18 (twenty years ago)

What store in Monterey?

Duane Denison Cargo Hold (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 15:01 (twenty years ago)

gareth & doomie, i thought of you guys when i was making this tape, but you probably own some of it and neither of you probably listen to tapes, so i didn't bother offering them to you. maybe someday when i burn CDs I will make more like it. I will let you know:

Christopher Columbus Said The World Is Like A Ball Spinning Round In Endless Circles It's Not Flat At All People Laughed And Said You Poor Fool Now What's Your Game And He Said You're Never Gonna Make It That Way

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 15:17 (twenty years ago)


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