Anti-royalist music?

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There's a royal wedding soon, here in the Netherlands. Does anyone know of any, even vaguely anti-royalist music to spoil the party?

― JoB, Tuesday, 22 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I'm told God Save the Queen by the Sex Pistols is 'ironic'.

― N., Tuesday, 22 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The only one's I can think of are Chalice In The Palace by U-Roy and, of course, God Save The Queen from the Sex Pistols.

― JoB, Tuesday, 22 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Aren't the Dutch royal family kind of amiable, though? you killjoy.

― DV, Tuesday, 22 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

You could play anything by the Levellers. That's *bound* to spoil a party.

― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 22 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

'Storm the Palace' by Catatonia?

― Jeff W, Tuesday, 22 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

come to think of it, what will we do for the queen's jubilee this year considering we're all more grown up than the genaratrion of 1977? probably sit back and ignore the whole thing. no-one seems to excited about the jubilee, or even aware of it.

― matthew james, Tuesday, 22 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I don't know, doesn't Billy Bragg comment on these things at all?

― Andy, Tuesday, 22 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The Queen is...Dead Boys!

― Arthur, Tuesday, 22 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The Queen Haters' "I Hate The Bloody Queen" (SCTV)

― fritz, Tuesday, 22 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Matthew,

the monarchy is more likely to be destroyed by mass indifference (today) than by a vociferous minority of strong opposition while large numbers of people still have a 1950s-type reverence for it (mid- 70s to early 90s). That was the one objection I had to Charlotte Raven's otherwise excellent recent Guardian piece on the subject.

I would be very interested in our Dutch contingent and others in European countries with monarchies revealing how well their royal families are doing at the moment, though I'm not sure it's always comparable with the British situation.

― Robin Carmody, Tuesday, 22 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Manic Street Preachers "Repeat", "We Her Majesty's Prisoners"

― electric sound of jim, Tuesday, 22 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Robin: The Dutch Royals are still surprisingly popular with most of the population, whilst Republican sentiments struggle to be heard, or even be socially acceptable, outside certain leftist circles.

'Surprisingly' because the Queen is still very powerful here (far more than Elizabeth), is daily involved with government, gets consulted by the PM, and is widely thought to have as much power and influence as the average cabinet minister, or even more. Its completely undemocratic but whenever the issue is raised the larger parties, some of whose members privately complain, immediately dive under the table afraid to run up against popular Royalist sentiment.

Fortunately the heir to the throne, whose about to marry, has recently displayed a complete lack of political sensitivity that may make reform a little easier when he ascends to the throne.

Contrast this with Britain where the Queen's Golden Jubilee is barely noticed, and any official celebrations will probably only highlight how unpopular the monarchy has become.

― stevo, Tuesday, 22 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The prince is marrying the daughter of an agricultural minister in the - quite bloody - Videla regime in Argentina. Check your historybooks for more on that.

If you really want to upset people, play something by Charly Garcia or Fito Paez. Of the latter one I'd recommend '11 y 6', a song about a couple who fell in love and then 'mysteriously' disappeared...

― Alacran, Tuesday, 22 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Stevo,

thanks for the information.

Two years ago Matthew Engel wrote in the Guardian that Norway seemed to him rather like Britain was in the 1950s, in that it was a rather cosily consensual society with a universal consensus of respect for its monarchy. Sadly, with the recent racist murder and increasing prominence of the far-right, it's now exposed a similar downside to that which lay beneath that 50s Britain.

― Robin Carmody, Tuesday, 22 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I love Dutch Royalty too, they gave us all sorts of flowers in Ottawa. You know we should vote for the next king of england. I vote Fergie.

― Mr Noodles, Tuesday, 22 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Dear Robin,

I think you have been very aggressive and undeservingly rude towards us Norwegians. We have a national identity that deserves protection. And we do not need to be in your pointless EU!

Actually it wasn't a "racist murder" but a murder committed by a few pyschopaths (sp?) who do not deserve to be considered representative of the Norwegian people, in which race was only a minor contributing factor.

Regards,

Vidkun.

― Vidkun, Tuesday, 22 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

"Fergie", as I shudder to describe her, is a nasty, awfully common lower-middle-class woman of the type whose involvement has sadly detracted from the popularity of our great traditional royal family. If, please God, we ever have a British republic and lose the remaining corners of the Commonwealth, it will be the direct responsibility of Sarah Ferguson and Diana Spencer. I'm ashamed of a good colonial Canadian like you.

Vidkun, you are a Quisling! What are you?

(P.S. I agree with your points, but I couldn't resist making the joke. It kept us alive during the Suez Crisis!)

Regards,

Anthony.

― Anthony Sanderson, Tuesday, 22 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Oh please don't start that old joke again. We are as ashamed of the Nazi collaborations as the Germans are of having created National Socialism in the first place. We have no racism, we just love our national identity. Do you not feel the same way?

― Vidkun, Tuesday, 22 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Indeed I do, Vidkun. How I wish my own country had been as successful as yours in keeping out alien cultural invasions. But I must away to bed now. We will talk privately tomorrow, once I have bought the new copy of "Private Eye" to keep a record of what the reds under the bed are up to.

Regards,

Anthony.

― Anthony Sanderson, Tuesday, 22 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Good night, Anthony. Yes, it will be fun to talk about the parts of Britain where racism has not even had the chance to take root!

Vidkun

― Vidkun, Tuesday, 22 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i thought "11 y 6" was about two slum kids... ah well, live and learn, as they say. :)

― cecilia, Tuesday, 22 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

is this the fist garcia/paz mention on il*? fantastic!!!

― goeff, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Whatever you Brits (or Dutchies, or Norwegians, or whatever) decide to do to yer Royals, just make sure they don't come over here please? We've already got enough problems with our "Royals" (well, Shrubya Inc. are more like the Corleones than the Windsors, but you get the drift).

― Tadeusz Suchodolski, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i thought "11 y 6" was about two slum kids... ah well, live and learn, as they say. :)
It's been a while since I heard it I must admit. Could be...

― Alacran, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

So I googled it and found out that '11 y 6' is indeed a song about straat urchins. Then I stumbed unto 'Cadaver Exquisito', which first featured on 'Euforia' (MTV Unplugged, 1996). I have that record, it was under my nose the whole time.

El tiempo me ha enseñado a mirar
a veces me ha enseñado a callar,
dónde estabas cuando paso lo que pasó
hablándote al espejo sola?

Time has taught me to watch
sometimes it has taught to keep quiet,
where were you when things happened
talking to yourself in front of the mirror?

― Alacran, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

straat = street.

damned Dutch:-D

― Alacran, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Vidkun, what's so great about your national identity?

In a more general sense, why are people still so hung up about patriotism, particularly people in backwater countries like my own (Ireland)?

― DV, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

In Ireland people my age are hung up about it cos they've fucking nothing else to talk about so they force themselves to support the nationalist movement. Hey I've no other interests! And nothing else to do! And people will think I'm smart if I constantly make mildly racist anti britain comments. And buy a Celtic jersey.

then next thing you know theres the "lets buy u2 and aslan, they're IRISH bands, support your country, didn't you know music was a way of making patriotic statements about yourself?".

Oh yeah and the Irish soccer league, it's shit and torturous to watch but let's pretend we like it cos that way we're supporting our own country and anyone else who watches football for entertainment can back to the queen, yeah ha.

I've got too annoyed now.

― Ronan, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

if u ask me shod just get willem brueker kollektief to play god save quen but in there own style, i.e. fuck it up with freefom squeaky gate saxes and drums sound like tractor falling downstairs in 98- story blokoflats.

― XStatic Peace, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

We only have to deal with Fergie once in a blue moon so its fine. Shes a fun riot. I mean Charles is just soooo boring cant we skip him and put one of his kids on the throne? Least then the crown would be popular with teenage girls.

― Mr Noodles, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Is there really much nationalism, nowadays, in the Republic of Ireland? (This is a serious, curious question - my impression was that the place was becoming, for good or ill, as complacent, relaxed or forgetful about that kind of thing as many other places in the developed world.)

― the pinefox, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Er......to be honest what I talked about is just armchair Nationalism, but if you look at election figures of the last few years Sinn Fein are growing steadily in popularity. And they're certainly expected to grow further in the forthcoming election.

I think it'll be a long time before anything and everything cease to become "symbols of our national identity" in Ireland.

― Ronan, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

nine years pass...

seems timely for a revival!

― piscesx, Monday, 28 February 2011 15:09 (fifteen years ago)

Gang Green - kill a royal
SOA - i hate the kings

― meisenfek, Monday, 28 February 2011 15:20 (fifteen years ago)

Throbbing Gristle, Last Exit

― Tom D (Tom D.), Monday, 28 February 2011 15:23 (fifteen years ago)

space - lovechild of the queen

― cosdeling barier chough a fat in a ballman thrantume (dog latin), Monday, 28 February 2011 15:27 (fifteen years ago)

Blimey, this thread!

― Mark G, Monday, 28 February 2011 15:31 (fifteen years ago)

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