the stooges' fun house sessions six CD bootleg

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am wondering whether i should get a copy of this or not.....

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 17:05 (twenty years ago)

Well, it's not a bootleg per se, just that the original is OOP.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 17:08 (twenty years ago)

Fun House is out of print?!?? I just can't believe this.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 27 April 2005 17:10 (twenty years ago)

*coughs* The six CD complete Funhouse sessions thing that Rhino released is out of print, is what I am meaning.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 17:11 (twenty years ago)

oh. well can't say I really care about that.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 27 April 2005 17:12 (twenty years ago)

I have it. Don't get it. You'll never listen to it. No one needs twenty-eight consecutive takes of any song.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 17:12 (twenty years ago)

yeah some people think it's "pointless" or "insane" (sounds like iggy to me!) but these people either fear or are too corrupt to understand the sheer rock majesty that marinates your being when you listen to thrity takes of "tv eye" interspersed with ten takes of "studio dialogue". these people have NEVER understood rock n roll and NEVER will.

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 17:14 (twenty years ago)

cue ME Smith adage "rock n roll is about repetition, repetition, and repetition"

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 27 April 2005 17:17 (twenty years ago)

im hoping someone has it on soulseek.

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 17:20 (twenty years ago)

I know what I'm listing on eBay tomorrow:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=307&item=4721670723&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

― diedre mousedropping (Dave225), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 17:22 (twenty years ago)

o yeah i'd download it fer sure. unlike those miles session boxes it's not like the design and packaging and stuff gives you added incentive to buy it.

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 17:24 (twenty years ago)

$400!!!! People are crazy.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 27 April 2005 17:24 (twenty years ago)

I keep it to remind myself what a gullible, idioic prick I am.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 17:31 (twenty years ago)

But you only paid $119, right?

― diedre mousedropping (Dave225), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 17:35 (twenty years ago)

if anyone wants to make some of their money back by charging me a small but tidy sum for cd-r copies of this set, i would be most grateful. its a win win deal really.

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 17:37 (twenty years ago)

I think I've said this before, but Rhino really should put Declaration Of War out on CD. It was a vinyl-only "best of" from the box, which contains different takes of all the Fun House tracks, plus the two non-FH songs from the box ("Slidin' The Blues" and "Lost In The Future"), plus Iggy's hilarious wrestling-announcer bit, complete with Stooge booing in the background, as an intro. It's fucking great; a friend of mine burned it for me, and I actually listen to it more often than FH itself.

― pdf (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 17:40 (twenty years ago)

george smith:

http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0011,tracker_writer.inc,12710,.html

― xhuxk, Wednesday, 27 April 2005 17:45 (twenty years ago)

haha - I gotta admit that Star Trek/Stooges thing gives me a giggle

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 27 April 2005 17:50 (twenty years ago)

on impulse i almost ran out for it once, but stopped myself (for better or worse).

id love to hear it. i know i won't listen to it much.

i used to listen to my boxes and tapes and cd-rs of pet sounds and smile stuff. i love that i still can...i think it's an amazing thing to have access to. but frequency of listeing is definately low.

― b b, Wednesday, 27 April 2005 17:58 (twenty years ago)

Rhino really should put Declaration Of War out on CD. It was a vinyl-only "best of" from the box, which contains different takes of all the Fun House tracks

Declaration of War doesn't have the 20-minute version of "LA Blues" though!

(I was trying to YSI the first disc, but it's not working for me)

― Vic Funk, Wednesday, 27 April 2005 20:00 (twenty years ago)

Working now... here's the first 16 tracks from disc one of the complete Funhouse box; I would've done all of disc one, but it was taking forever to upload: http://s22.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0Q7KKRAS7LJYP2D3OAUYH1NSON

― Vic Funk, Wednesday, 27 April 2005 20:18 (twenty years ago)

"Don't get it. You'll never listen to it. No one needs twenty-eight consecutive takes of any song."

OTM

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 28 April 2005 00:10 (twenty years ago)

I got Declaration of War and that's all I need. I actually really like "Lost in the Future," and think it woulda gone pretty well on the original album.

I wish there were some decent recordings of shows from that era kicking around. Are there?

― Zack Richardson (teenagequiet), Thursday, 28 April 2005 02:15 (twenty years ago)

bought it when it came it out, but I will come clean and admit that I STILL don't think I've listened to the whole thing yet. I mean, I've listened to most of it, but I'm pretty sure there are portions of a few discs that I skipped around through and haven't honestly taken in all the way through. That said it was totally worth it to hear those two unreleased songs -- "Lost in the Future" far and away the better of the two, and it is awesome -- as well as that 20 minute "L.A. Blues". Who could resist THAT??

I was sort of skeptical at first myself, and then I read Monica Kendrick's review of it in the Chicago Reader -- still the best thing I've read on the set, and maybe one of my favorite reviews of any record ever! I'm sure you could find it on their website but I think you have to pay for archives over there. just a buck or two an article though. Anyway, she totally captured what makes the thing great -- my skepticism immediately melted away into an urgent need to buy buy buy!

― Stormy Davis (diamond), Thursday, 28 April 2005 02:42 (twenty years ago)

Is this "Declaration of War" easy to get hold of? I wouldn't mind getting that, but the 6 CD box is going way over the top for me, I don't even like Funhouse that much (yeah, I know, I deserve to die) although that's mostly because I think the CD sounds like shit.

― Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Thursday, 28 April 2005 08:05 (twenty years ago)

I've had two of these. (I have repeated this story a few times, basically Rhino screwed up a different CD I ordered, I sent it back, and they sent me this box by mistake. 6 months later they sent me another one. So, I waited the requisite 6 months under the unsolicited goods act, then sold one on e-bay. For similar price to above ebay link).

I have ripped the whole to a CDr mp3 format disc, and in all have listened to it all about five times.

That "declaration of" album looks interesting, I'd like to know which takes they were. I did do a 'best of' for someone (AlexNYC I think) as part of the "Rough Guide" but it was a bit quick and random.

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 28 April 2005 08:34 (twenty years ago)

(that was a "best of" list rather than a CD)

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 28 April 2005 08:47 (twenty years ago)

DUD

― Michael J McGonigal (mike mcgonigal), Thursday, 28 April 2005 09:21 (twenty years ago)

can anyone upload that link again? thanks.

― dickie, Thursday, 28 April 2005 09:48 (twenty years ago)

I wish there were some decent recordings of shows from that era kicking around. Are there?

I don't think so. I can remember reading an interview with Greg Shaw who said he'd like to find shows from 1968-1971 (or something like that) for the Iguana Charonicles but nothing had ever turned up.

Is this "Declaration of War" easy to get hold of?

Scratch Records, Crypt Records (scroll down).

There was also an orange 7" of "Lost"/"Slidin'" that came out about a year before the Declaration LP, should anybody just want the two new songs; apparently it's out of print. Warning: My pressing was pretty bad (a 5" sliver of the outside of the disc just hangs there, whipping at you as the record spins).

That "declaration of" album looks interesting, I'd like to know which takes they were.

Side One:
TV Eye (Take 7, May 18)
Down on the Street (Tk 6 & 7, May 18)
Loose (Tk 13, May 15)
Dirt (Tk 1, May 22)
Slide (Slidin' the Blues) (May 15)

Side Two:
1970 (Tk 3, May 11)
Funhouse (Tk 3, May 21)
Lost in the Future (Tk 1, May 15)

― Vic Funk, Thursday, 28 April 2005 11:10 (twenty years ago)

You can (and maybe should) pull those slivers off easily enough, Vic.

― A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 28 April 2005 11:19 (twenty years ago)

Classic or Dud? A little of both. First, owning special limited-edition things has never meant a thing to me. (Well, maybe if I owned a #0001 or similarly impressive number.) It's all about the MUSIC. So if something is selling at an inflated price because it'll one day be a "collector's item" it pisses me off. And that box was definitely overpriced. But if you want something bad enough, you overlook the price. I wanted it from the moment I heard of it, so I gritted my teeth and bought it. Six discs is excessive unless you're an anal completist. And the two discs with DOZENS of takes of "Loose" and "Down On The Street" (& very little else) will probably never get played again. Those songs are very basic and so the takes are all interchangable, except for a few lyric changes. And the 17-minute "Freak" (precursor to "LA Blues") is disappointingly half-hearted. But the many takes of the dirgy "Dirt" are surprisingly enjoyable, with much fine soloing by Ron Asheton. And the real meat is about 2 discs worth of awesome alternate versions of "1970" and "Fun House", loose and messy and reckless, sometimes stretching past the 10-minute barrier. I always considered Steven Mackay's tenor sax playing on Fun House to be the finest use of that instrument in rock EVAH, and always regretted that he only played on half-an-album then seemingly disappeared (till '86 or so), and so the extended soloing on the many "1970"s and elsewhere were a godsend. He even whips out a soprano sax in a couple of the longer "Fun House" takes! And those alternate "Fun House" takes are everything they could be, with Iggy making like a white punk James Brown, hollering "Blow, Steve!" and "Take it down!" and "Lemme in!" and etc...

...sorry to get carried away, I didn't intend to blather so much. Anyways, while I admit that it IS kind of a ripoff considering that at least half of it will almost definitely never get played again, the remainder, particularly the Steven Mackay stuff, is incredible.
Classic or dud? Well, a little from Column A, and a little from Column B.

(Woulda been nice to rip & burn back in '00, but I didn't own a burner or even a computer. Today I'd be wise to burn the good half then sell the whole thing, but I've grown attached to it as an object. Idiot.)

― Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Thursday, 28 April 2005 14:44 (twenty years ago)

You can (and maybe should) pull those slivers off easily enough, Vic.

I don't think so. I looked at the record after posting this morning, and slivers are surprisingly thick. I'd probably need to use nail clippers to cut it off. It would probably leave a jagged edge on the single, too.

First, owning special limited-edition things has never meant a thing to me. (Well, maybe if I owned a #0001 or similarly impressive number.)

Can someone explain what the appeal would be to having a low number on a numbered edition? It just means the jacket was stamped at a certain time, it has nothing to do with when the record itself was pressed or the contents within.

― Vic Funk, Thursday, 28 April 2005 15:55 (twenty years ago)

True; and even if it did, so what? #3017 is every bit as precious and unique as #0001, and so is #2272 and etc. But you know how people love to embrace the imaginary importance of certain arbitrary numbers, particularly (for Westerners) ones that end in zeroes. You'll probably never see a Rolling Stone - Special Collector's Issue: 51 Years Of Rock! And how many of 1999's news stories used the word "millenium" somewhere in there?

― Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Saturday, 30 April 2005 05:52 (twenty years ago)

to say nothing of folks in china etc who pay exorbitant sums (on ebay, for way more than that boxset went for!) for lucky telephone numbers. give me a stooges boxset any day.

speaking of stooges and completism, are any of these crucial? funhouse is still my favorite stooges record, and i still kick myself occasionally for not buying that damn box.

― philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Saturday, 30 April 2005 15:32 (twenty years ago)

a third voice reiterates:

I have it. Don't get it. You'll never listen to it. No one needs twenty-eight consecutive takes of any song.

― stevie (stevie), Sunday, 1 May 2005 12:48 (twenty years ago)

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