Why are minor chords scary?

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why would any certian combination of frequencies be scarier than others? Is it because of the faster vibrations of the clashing notes not present in major chords? also, how do most cultures around the world view minor chords? This has always intrigued me, and i asked my music neurologist friend, and he said people have done studies on this, but didn't give me any real answer. has anyone read any good articles on this?

A Nairn, Tuesday, 22 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I always thought minor chords were "sad", not scary. Inverted chords are scary, though.

Nude Spock, Tuesday, 22 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Yeah, your right. I should say negative emotion.

A Nairn, Tuesday, 22 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

can anyone explain chords to me?

ethan, Tuesday, 22 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Chord
Pronunciation: 'kord
Function: noun
Etymology: alteration of Middle English cord, short for accord
Date: 1608
: three or more musical tones sounded simultaneously

electric sound of jim, Tuesday, 22 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Minor chords are scary b/c of social conditioning I think. Minor chords wouldn't scare someone who'd never heard Western Music.

Ethan, a chord is three or more different notes played simultaneously, and depending on the relationships between the notes involved, the chord is called "major" or "minor" (or a plethora of other more technical terms).

Clarke B., Tuesday, 22 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Shit, sorry 'bout the repeat there.

Clarke B., Tuesday, 22 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Let's see, some B&S examples: the chord in "Is It Wicked Not to Care" when he says "wicked" is a major chord. Hmmm, do B&S have any minor chords? Shit, considering that besides hip-hop (in which producers hardly ever use chords) you only like Devo, Television, and the Who (power chord or riff-y bands all of 'em), there's a distinct possibility that you've NEVER EVER HEARD A MINOR CHORD! ;-)

Clarke B., Tuesday, 22 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

is minor when they're close together and major when they're far apart?

ethan, Tuesday, 22 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I'm pretty sure it's not entirely because of social conditioning. non-western music also has similarities to minors. For example in ragas that represent the night aren't the scales closer to minor scales than major, and day or afternoon ragas have scales closer to major. and night=darkness=negative emotion. I may be wrong about this?

A Nairn, Tuesday, 22 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I thought minor chords were in just about every RZA beat.

Honda, Tuesday, 22 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Ethan, here's a simple example for you: a major triad (the most basic chord) that starts on a given note has a second note 2 whole steps above that note, and a third note 1 1/2 steps above the second. A minor triad has a second note 1 1/2 steps above the first, and a third note 2 whole steps above the second. So a C major triad would be C, E, G; a C minor triad would be C, E-flat, G.

Douglas, Tuesday, 22 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

A few reasons come to mind:

-- A minor chord in root position does indeed contain more overtone "clashes" than a major chord in root position. Indeed, the minor third doesn't show up in the overtone series of a particular note until you get way, way, WAY up there -- whereas the three notes of a major chord tend to reinforce each other's partials. (The overtone series, starting on C, is C - c - g - c' - e' - g' - b-flat' - c'' - d'' - e'' - f#''- etc.)

-- It takes slightly more effort to sing the first three notes of a major scale than a minor scale, and the major third is a larger interval, so you're arguably likely to accent the third a bit more when going C-E than when going C-Eb. Larger intervals are sometimes associated with more happy/propulsive"straightforward" music (think of the opening themes to Star Trek, Star Wars, and so forth, all of which use large intervals), whereas smaller intervals sometimes tend to reflect more expressive intent in music (Mozart's 40th Symphony, "How Insensitive") or, sometimes, a sense of menace or foreboding ("Jaws" theme). Obvious counterexample for the former: the Prelude to Tristan und Isolde.

-- Minor scales are often asymmetrical in practice: for instance, in A minor, the seventh note (G) is often sharped so that the dominant triad is major (E - G# - B), and to accentuate the leading tone relationship between the seventh and the tonic. (For those of you who can read notes, try imagining the opening line of Bach's Toccata and Fugue in D minor with a C natural instead of a C sharp: A-G-A, G-F-E-D-C-D. It completely changes the character of the line, and robs it of a good deal of its tension.) This asymmetry is a source of chromaticism and harmonic tension, i.e. dissonance, which is in turn associated with the things you named.

As for whether that last association is learned or inherent, I can't say; you'd have to ask a psychoacoustician or somesuch. My guess is that it's some of each.

Phil, Tuesday, 22 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Why do I get the feeling that you're putting us on, ethan? On the off chance that you really want to know, a major chord is in its simplest form three notes consisting of the first note, which is basically any note you choose, the second note, which is 2 full tones higher, and then the top note is another two tones higher than that, forming a I- III-V interval. (Note, the note we designate I, or first, is note the chord is named after. To confuse you further, though, that note doesn't have to be the lowest note necessarily--because the scale repeats after you get to the top, your lowest note can be the III, and you can throw the I in at the top, an octave higher than you would have if your I was the low note. You can also bump everything up so that V is the lowest-pitched note, as long as the notes above it are the same notes that would form the I III V triad if they were rearranged regardless of octave.)

The easiest way of turning it into a minor chord is by moving the second note down one half tone.

Easiest way to visualize it is by looking at a piano keyboard. The black keys are the half tones in the scale of C. The places where two white keys are next to each other without a black key inbetween are also half tones.

Since I get the feeling you're putting us on, that's as far as I'm going to bother to go with this.

Sean Carruthers, Tuesday, 22 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Mozart's 40th = bad example: it leaps up right after those minor seconds! Ah, well. Serves me right, trying to do this on 3 hours sleep.

Phil, Tuesday, 22 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Obv. I'm tired too because Doug's right, the top note in the triad is one and a half steps away. It just looks like two because of the way the major scale is configured on a keyboard and on the staff. Buh.

Sean Carruthers, Tuesday, 22 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

As for the original question, I'm convinced it's all a matter of numbers. With the major chords, the frequencies of the notes are more mathematically compatible. I can't remember any of the details now, but each tone has a corresponding frequency, in Hertz. Most famous is A440, which is the note A, 440Hz. If you double that to 880Hz, you've got an A, but one octave higher. As already stated, I'm too tired to really get into it right now, but those who want to look at the math, the relations between notes and variances in tuning might want to check this page out here

As for scary, microtonality can be very scary to a brain wired by experience to hear only Western tonality as proper. When I heard Wendy Carlos' Beauty in the Beast album for the first time, I thought my synapses were melting.

Sean Carruthers, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Chords != three or more notes, at least in the sense that often chords can be suggested by two notes. A diminished seventh for example is often two, I recall.

Sterling Clover, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The perfect fifth is generally unnecessary (unless we're talking about rock, which is the only thing that counts) but two notes together are properly called intervals aren't they?

Kris, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Clarke B: Re B&S I Fought In a War is the first one to spring to mind...but halfway through the verse, it goes up to the relative major. Oddly, on the same album, Chalet Lines is in a major key. I've always thought of minor chords as melancholic...this can be quite funny; if you sing Happy Birthday To You in minor chords, it sounds SO sarcastic, hahaha.

Jez, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

wot is scary is that bastard fatcher destroyed miners and closed cuntry down. evil nazi bich shd be hangd. justice to the miners. victory to proper workers. no scabs. brik on hed.

XStatic Peace, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Or what Xstatic meant to say was like all oddities in music it boils down to physics or engeneering (physics with significant figures). Which is all calculus so we've got yet another reason to study calculus in high school.

damm I made the coffee strong this morning.

Mr Noodles, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Chords can be SUGGESTED by only two notes, Sterling, but Kris is right, those would be intervals. The problem with just two notes is that taken out of context they could suggest many different chords, not just the one you had in mind, depending on what additional notes you add.

Sean Carruthers, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

...er, COULD add, since they haven't been added, that is.

Sean Carruthers, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I said suggested.

Sterling Clover, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

nineteen years pass...

i heard a minor chord n i screamed

not up to Aerosmith standards (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 30 June 2021 22:20 (four years ago)

For example in ragas that represent the night aren't the scales closer to minor scales than major

A raga is not a mere scale, nor us it a mode. Ragas are precise melody forms.

Fauna Sukkot (Deflatormouse), Wednesday, 30 June 2021 22:30 (four years ago)

Your favorite misread ilx thread titles, except this time you read that right.

Fauna Sukkot (Deflatormouse), Thursday, 1 July 2021 01:19 (four years ago)

equal temperament is the sin of melodic music. just intonation is just so much freer, if we're talking melodies. Of course in Arabic, Turkish and Indian music there is not really such a thing as harmonic counterpoint, but that means melodic phrasings can be much more expressive. hardcore soul music, both joyous and melancholy simultaneously.

RobbiePires, Thursday, 1 July 2021 10:45 (four years ago)


A raga is not a mere scale, nor us it a mode. Ragas are precise melody forms.
― Fauna Sukkot (Deflatormouse), Wednesday, 30 June 2021 23:30 (yesterday)

Correct. Makam are also melody forms.

RobbiePires, Thursday, 1 July 2021 10:51 (four years ago)


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