TS: "Close to Me" by the Cure. Battle of the Versions.

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For which do you opt? The spartan, keybs & handclaps version from the original LP, the Head on the Door? The horn-laden bop version from the single (available on Standing on a Beach)? Or the cod-reggae "Closer" mix (available on the remix cd, Mixed Up)?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 2 May 2005 13:01 (twenty years ago)

what about the version on the 'paris' live cd!

― Hari A$hur$t (Toaster), Monday, 2 May 2005 13:03 (twenty years ago)

album version.

― kyle (akmonday), Monday, 2 May 2005 13:04 (twenty years ago)

although the horn version kind of sounds like Adam and the Ants

― kyle (akmonday), Monday, 2 May 2005 13:04 (twenty years ago)

I'll take the Dismemberment Plan cover version

― kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Monday, 2 May 2005 13:07 (twenty years ago)

The Closer Mix needs some love. Here I am to give it.

― elwisty (elwisty), Monday, 2 May 2005 13:10 (twenty years ago)

The single version approaches being one of the greatest things they've ever done. It's a song I always forget that I adore until I hear it and find myself dancing three blocks down the street shouting "IF ONLY I WAS SURE....." It's the best use of horns in The Cure's catalogue. Totally, utterly outstanding.

(This has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that I heard the single verion first. Oh no, not at all.)

(The "Closer" mix is awesome but in a completely blunted, I-am-watching-bad-movies-on-a-Saturday-afternoon-and-takeout-is-ten-minutes-away style.)

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 2 May 2005 13:12 (twenty years ago)

The horn-laden bop version from the single (available on Standing on a Beach)

this is the one for me, but if i remember well the original 12" had a longer coda that i liked a lot.

― Marco Damiani (Marco D.), Monday, 2 May 2005 13:12 (twenty years ago)

What Dan said, really. Both videos are of course absolutely fantastic (not least because how crashing into the water not only makes everyone's clothes change a bit, but because it magically transforms Lol into Perry -- Bamonte, that is, not Dan [though I know he would wish it]).

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 2 May 2005 13:21 (twenty years ago)

Head on the Door version for me. I never liked the stoned Mixed up one. Maybe I should give it another go.

― Baaderonixxxorzh (Fabfunk), Monday, 2 May 2005 13:30 (twenty years ago)

I'm gonna have to go with the mixed up version too. It's funny, I was just listening to mixed-up this weekend and thinking that it wasn't nearly as bad as folks seem to remember it as being. In fact, I'm quite fond of it. And Walk(Everything Mix) is absolutely stellar.

― matt2 (matt2), Monday, 2 May 2005 13:30 (twenty years ago)

Mixed Up is fucking excellent aside from one remix that doesn't work ("The Caterpillar"). "The Walk", "Pictures Of You" and "Inbetween Days" in particular are outstanding.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 2 May 2005 13:52 (twenty years ago)

yes, that The Walk mix was quite good - and i'm not a big fan of remixes.

― Marco Damiani (Marco D.), Monday, 2 May 2005 13:55 (twenty years ago)

Urgh, I really can't stand Inbetween Days on Mixed Up, in the same way as Caterpillar. The rest is pretty good (esp. Forest and Walk). Criminal of them not to include remixes of Primary and ESPECIALLY Let's Go to Bed.

― Baaderonixxxorzh (Fabfunk), Monday, 2 May 2005 13:59 (twenty years ago)

I've always heard particular disdain for the "Inbetween Days" remix, I guess maybe it was the most "radical re-invention." But on the whole, it was suprising how well this all held-up after 15 years when hearing it this weekend.

― matt2 (matt2), Monday, 2 May 2005 14:00 (twenty years ago)

HORN-LADEN BOP

even though the version I grew up with was the Mixed Up one, the SatS version just fucking blew me away. More indie bands need to make work-out video music like this.

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Monday, 2 May 2005 14:02 (twenty years ago)

I remember when they announced Mixed Up, they played snippets of the "Inbetween Days" remix on the radio and I almost instantly lost my shit. I was really disappointed that a large chunk of the album was made up of pre-existing Disintegration extended mixes that I already owned. I wanted more things like the "Let's Go To Bed" (Milk Mix) and "Primary" (Red Mix).

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 2 May 2005 14:03 (twenty years ago)

Yay more Dan agreement! Yeah, the "Inbetween Days" remix -- done by good ol' William Orbit -- is just spectacular.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 2 May 2005 14:05 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I don't really understand why they used those old remixes instead of commissioning a full set. I guess it might be due to how the project was born in the 1st place (gather old 12" remixes on CD).

― Baaderonixxxorzh (Fabfunk), Monday, 2 May 2005 14:08 (twenty years ago)

Prompted by picking up the re-issues this weekend (I NEEDED that re-mastered rendition of "All Mine" on the new Pornography), I went on a bit of Cure kick this morning, listening to most of the Head on the Door on the way to work. I love the original, but it does sound a bit bare without the horns now. I can't say I've listened to the Mixed Up version in quite some time, but I remember approving of its re-invention but lamenting its execution.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 2 May 2005 14:08 (twenty years ago)

Prompted by picking up the re-issues this weekend (I NEEDED that re-mastered rendition of "All Mine" on the new Pornography)

You are most wise. So Dan, did your copies finally arrive or what?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 2 May 2005 14:10 (twenty years ago)

The bootleg that puts the vox Bugaboo by Destinys Child over the top of the Close to Me music is great too. And the dancehall riddim versions.

― Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Monday, 2 May 2005 14:10 (twenty years ago)

Quick re-issue question (don't hate me if there is another thread this should be in), is the live version of Faith on the Faith re-issue the same live version as on the Charlotte Sometimes 12"?

Also, does anyone know if, for the future re-issues, they plan on putting the extended 12" versions of the singles on the appropriate re-issues? Otherwise, most of these still aren't available outside of the vinyl versions, right?

― matt2 (matt2), Monday, 2 May 2005 14:17 (twenty years ago)

So Dan, did your copies finally arrive or what?

I am ~~wanking~~listening to 17 Seconds as I type this.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 2 May 2005 14:20 (twenty years ago)

and waht about the POSTER?

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― Baaderonixxxorzh (Fabfunk), Monday, 2 May 2005 14:20 (twenty years ago)

The bootleg that puts the vox Bugaboo by Destinys Child over the top of the Close to Me music is great too. And the dancehall riddim versions.

Please don't mention Destiny's Child on a Cure thread. Just don't do it. It's like saying "cocksucker" in front of someone's saintly grandmother.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 2 May 2005 14:22 (twenty years ago)

My officemate told me that if I put the poster up in our office, he would be forced to put up a Stryper poster to counterbalance the negative energy.

I'm now incredibly tempted to put the poster up, just to see if he does it.

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― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 2 May 2005 14:24 (twenty years ago)

http://www.8ung.at/yavin/scans/024_destinys_child_rolling_stone_yavin.jpg

― The Ghost of JUST FOR YOU, ALEX (Dan Perry), Monday, 2 May 2005 14:26 (twenty years ago)

Thanks for killing this thread, Dan.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 2 May 2005 14:30 (twenty years ago)

I can't see how all these mentions and that photo would be wrong at all. Maybe in some alternate world.

is the live version of Faith on the Faith re-issue the same live version as on the Charlotte Sometimes 12"?

Yup!

I am ~~wanking~~listening to 17 Seconds as I type this.

Coordinated.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 2 May 2005 14:31 (twenty years ago)

Magnificent news re: the live Faith. Anyone know anything about the extended 12" versions of the single? I mean, really, if Ned doesn't know, who would?

― matt2 (matt2), Monday, 2 May 2005 14:32 (twenty years ago)

Wait patiently and all will be revealed. I guess.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 2 May 2005 14:33 (twenty years ago)

(I mean, theoretically the bonus disc for Mixed Up will include the "Primary" and "Let's Go to Bed" remixes, but they might end up compiling other 12" mixes on there as well.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 2 May 2005 14:34 (twenty years ago)

Did they include those b-side remixes on Join the Dots? I forgot. Anyway, re-issue of Mixed Up should be a good place to do this (altho I'm not completely sure they'll re-release that one)

― Baaderonixxxorzh (Fabfunk), Monday, 2 May 2005 14:36 (twenty years ago)

Did they include those b-side remixes on Join the Dots? I forgot

They did not. You are lazy. ;-) (They only included the "Just Like Heaven" remix.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 2 May 2005 14:38 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I've wondered how far up they'll re-release. I mean I could definitely see through Wish, but what would they really put on a re-release of Bloodflowers? I guess they could put all 15 remixes of Mint Car on the WMS one.

― matt2 (matt2), Monday, 2 May 2005 14:39 (twenty years ago)

um.. mixed up version

― billstevejim (billstevejim), Monday, 2 May 2005 14:40 (twenty years ago)

Why include the JLH remix but not LGTB, though? Fools... Anyway a mixed up re-issue could be the opportunity to release the mythical Just One Kiss 12" extended mix!

― Baaderonixxxorzh (Fabfunk), Monday, 2 May 2005 14:43 (twenty years ago)

I HAVE THAT EXTENDED MIX ON TAPE SOMEWHERE AND IT IS AWESOME

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 2 May 2005 14:52 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I've wondered how far up they'll re-release. I mean I could definitely see through Wish, but what would they really put on a re-release of Bloodflowers?

"Spilt Milk" for one thing. Various one-offs Robert did around that time. "Cut Here." Etc.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 2 May 2005 14:55 (twenty years ago)

The Massive Attack remix of "Watching Me Fall".

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 2 May 2005 15:00 (twenty years ago)

Will the video compilation, "Staring at the Sea" ever be issue on DVD, do we think? Anyone? Anyone? Not only are there videos thereupon that are not on the Greatest Hits DVD, but the incidental footage between videos (augmented by a score of b-sides) was quite cool.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 2 May 2005 15:00 (twenty years ago)

I would KILL for a DVD of every Cure video, including the crap early ones they replaced on "Staring At The Sea" that I've never seen.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 2 May 2005 15:02 (twenty years ago)

Which crap early ones?

― Baaderonixxxorzh (Fabfunk), Monday, 2 May 2005 15:07 (twenty years ago)

Apparently the original videos of "Killing An Arab" and "Jumping Someone Else's Train" were hideously boring shots of the trio lounging around acting aloof, so completely different videos were produced for the compilation (ditto "Boys Don't Cry" but for that one they just used the 1986 rerelease video).

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 2 May 2005 15:10 (twenty years ago)

I've seen the early version of the "Boys Don't Cry" vid (simple band performance). Always struck me as kind of odd how the Cure started out looking fairly normal/conventional and then went all freak-show (circa Pornography), while it's usually the other way around.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 2 May 2005 15:12 (twenty years ago)

Part of their appeal.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 2 May 2005 15:20 (twenty years ago)

I mean, look at Split Enz....they started off looking like cartoon characters and paired down. Hell, even Motley Crue partook of the gradual taming of their look. The Cure, meanwhile, got successfully stranger looking as time went on. I guess that kind've levelled off, though, when ya think about it. Robert's kept the same sort've aesthetic since about `86 (though he did shave his head at one point between Head... and Kiss Me Kiss me Kiss Me. Simon's bass playing has sort've changed as well (not sound-wise, but literal playing stanc). Look at those early clips, and he's plays in a fairly conventional manner (slightly augmented with that low-slung Sid Vicious/Peter Hook louche look). Nowadays, he plays as if his instrument is made out of solid adamantium that he must strain himself to lift, lest he be pulled like a hapless little magnet towards the fiery core of the earth.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 2 May 2005 15:30 (twenty years ago)

http://www.chartattack.com/pics/2004/08/curiosa/07.jpg

"can.....barely.....lift....it"

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 2 May 2005 15:32 (twenty years ago)

You forgot the way he bounces back and forth like he's wearing excitable puppies for shoes.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 2 May 2005 15:33 (twenty years ago)

He always stuck me as the coolest guy in the band. In the video for "the Haning Garden," he looks like he should be playing in the Misfits.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 2 May 2005 15:34 (twenty years ago)

Simon is awesome, yeah.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 2 May 2005 15:36 (twenty years ago)

Thirded. Great sense of humor too. I think the specific partnership those two have evolved is clearly the core of the band (nothing against the Japanese Whispers/Top interregnum, of course).

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 2 May 2005 15:38 (twenty years ago)

Things have veered far enough off course that I also don't feel guilty asking some of you Cure-lovers (or haters) here how you feel about the newest album now that it's been out for almost a year. Personally, I still feel like there are wonderful songs lurking behind Roberts voice that is so far out front it kind of tickles my chin when he sings. I really wish it could be "remixed" but not in the way we've been talking in this thread, just bury Roberts voice a touch more. And why does he sometimes sound like he has lots of phlegm there at the back of his tongue?

― matt2 (matt2), Monday, 2 May 2005 15:38 (twenty years ago)

I love the new album. Lovelovelovelove it. "Lost", "Going Nowhere", "Anniversary" and "Before 3" rank WAAAAAAY up there among their top songs.

He sounds like that because he's getting older and his voice isn't the same instrument it was 25 years ago. Even people who diligently study voice and train themselves on singing techniques experience changes in their voices as they grow older.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 2 May 2005 15:43 (twenty years ago)

So you're totally okay with the mix Dan? I love the album too, but I find myself starving to hear more notice bass, guitar, drums, synths, and less just fuzzy melody mess underneath Robert's voice.

― matt2 (matt2), Monday, 2 May 2005 15:47 (twenty years ago)

That'd be "more noticeABLE bass, guitar,..."

Sorry bout that.

― matt2 (matt2), Monday, 2 May 2005 15:48 (twenty years ago)

xpost a bit -- Quite so -- to draw a comparison to another fave of mine, Billy Mackenzie (actually, Dan, were you ever into the Associates? if not, I need to burn some discs for you...) couldn't and didn't maintain his swooping and soaring falsetto as he grew older, but his ability to sing remain constant and the strengths of his voice never changed.

And yeah, new album roolz okay. Many, many great songs.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 2 May 2005 15:49 (twenty years ago)

Certain songs would do better with being remixed, particularly "Never" and "Taking Off". On the whole I think it works incredibly well as-is (and the mix REALLY sparks off of the extra tracks/b-sides, like "This Morning" and "Truth, Goodness and Beauty").

Ned, I couldn't even name an Associates song! Which is odd because given the Cure connection you would think I would own everything they put out.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 2 May 2005 15:51 (twenty years ago)

You'd think! Look for an mp3 or two in your gmail tonight, then let me know if you wanna hear more. I have a suspicion you will become a raving fanatic for them like I am.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 2 May 2005 15:56 (twenty years ago)

Going for the album version. There are some great mixes on "Mixed Up" ("Lullaby", for instance, and I like the new take on "A Forest" too), but I don't feel that "Close To Me" is among those.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 00:44 (twenty years ago)

Me I opt for Horn Version. And yes OK it's the version I first heard. A cassette copy of Standing on a Beach (with B-sides on b-side) was my introduction to the Cure so I'm sorry but there's the hard truth. And I worked my way thru the back catalog after that, and when I heard the non-Horn Version on Head/Door I was all: Something is lacking here, I can't quite put my finger on it, &c. It's like once the horns are in there you can't take them away and hope for equal or superior results.

Actually if you want the real truth my first Cure LP was Kiss Me and it still remains maybe my favorite, and I was dismayed to see the haterade for it flowing strong over on some other thread. I'm teasing my hair real big and cracking my knuckles to issue a strongly worded Defense of that record.

― Petroski (petroski), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 01:40 (twenty years ago)

I’m a huge Cure fan and they really are my favorite of them all. I feel I relate more to the Boo Radleys so they have taken over but…

The new album is strange; I loved it for about two weeks. I thought it was reinventing in a way at first. Now I think Bloodflowers is even better than that album is, but BF is so underrated, IMO. I do like quite a few songs but it doesn’t feel like the Cure to me. Something is missing and so it ends up being one of the worst albums they have done. I don’t blame them, they have tried something new and hearing "alt.end" on the radio in San Francisco was really great.

Answer is: the horn version but what an amazing song. This is the same band that did that Boys Don’t Cry album? They grew to be one of the best bands ever and this album really was the starting point to all that.

Look forward to new stuff some day…

― BeeOK (boo radley), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 01:48 (twenty years ago)

Strangely enough, I listened to "The Cure" yesterday and it still sounded great. I think the dense, pounding production (Ross Robinson, duh) suits them well -- along with "Pornography", it's their "heaviest"-sounding record. I really want to hear "Pornography" rerelease to hear if that still holds true for the remastered version.

Oh yeah, horn version.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 02:03 (twenty years ago)

I think the reason why I like Bloodflowers so much is because of that tour. I was standing, while on vacation visiting the folks, with my best girl friend at Irvine Meadows in the OC. Just letting the music wash over me and thinking I could cut the tension with a knife. So happy that I was no longer that person but happy that I was witnessing see the Cure live yet again. I have seen them over ten times but in a certain ways those new songs were the highlight of the show. Didn’t see this last tour but probably would have changed things around if Muse were on the bill here.

― BeeOK (boo radley), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 02:23 (twenty years ago)

I was standing, while on vacation visiting the folks, with my best girl friend at Irvine Meadows in the OC

I was at that show. And one hell of a show it was. A pity that's the last time I've seen them...

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 02:25 (twenty years ago)

I was at that show. And one hell of a show it was. A pity that's the last time I've seen them...

Yeah last time I saw them as well. I had great seats and was blown away. I was living in San Francisco for the next tour and that night I skipped them to see Ash (1977 tour) at the Bottom Of the Hill instead, great show and only blocks from my pad. Now back in L.A. but missed this last tour, I would of made other plans but Muse weren't on the bill so...

― BeeOK (boo radley), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 04:06 (twenty years ago)

Please don't mention Destiny's Child on a Cure thread. Just don't do it. It's like saying "cocksucker" in front of someone's saintly grandmother.

This is why I love ANYC.

― giboyeux (skowly), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 04:14 (twenty years ago)

Wait correction, It was the before the [I]Dream[/I] tour. I’m talking about 1996, when I saw Ash, but that Irvine show was in 2000. For the Wish tour in 1992 I saw them at Long Beach Arena and The Rose Bowl.

― BeeOK (boo radley), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 04:17 (twenty years ago)

Awww, I was at those 92 shows in Long Beach and the Bowl. Sweet memories (although I barely remember the Long Beach one)...

― Baaderonixxxorzh (Fabfunk), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 07:00 (twenty years ago)

Hopefully the evil Spiderman from the "Lullaby" lyrics will soon eat Destiny's Child.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 10:15 (twenty years ago)

http://www.nozzman.nl/unpublished/fun/spiderman.jpg

― The Ghost of BEYONCE LOOK OUT (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 10:36 (twenty years ago)

Dan, I beg you...please stop making this thread not-work-safe.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 10:41 (twenty years ago)

Haha! Okay.

(That was the only vaguely work-safe picture of that guy I could find.)

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 10:47 (twenty years ago)

That photo isn't even LIFE-safe.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 10:58 (twenty years ago)

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