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Great review on PF about Aesop Rock! Best Def Jux release last year. Totally blew CanOx out of the water. You summed up the album real well. Cheers.

― Brock K, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Are you a fond-fan?

― Roy Blows, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Nice review Nitsuh - I'll link it later when I can think of something to say (or anyway). Very reasonable, which is a nice break for Pitchfork.

― Tom, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Kudos, yeah. Nice tight review w/ good writing. You bring a lot to Pitchfork & I hope you stick around.

― Mark, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

That was a really great review. How long can Pitchfork be denied its rightful props?

Furthermore, all the best Pitchfork people post on this thread.

― dleone, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

nitsuh, you should have written it in the style of a mock-letter from chuck d. or the scatman.

― jess, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I was starting to wonder if PF had forgotten about that album. Nice work, Nitsuh. "Labor Days" was the best hip hop record of last year, pace Jay-Z and Can Ox. I thought your review was quite insightful, though I'd have to say, "No Regrets" > "Save Yourself".

― Nate-o, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Furthermore, all the best Pitchfork people post on this thread.

cept for that Ethan P. cat. he doesnt even like rock!

― Brock K, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I think EP, M.D. quit Pitchfork or something.

― Mark, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

"No Regrets" over "Save Yourself?" Wow. I like "No Regrets," but one must admit it's a bit cartoonishly didactic: if only everyone's life goals were as clear-cut as sitting in a dank apartment sketching for an entire lifetime. Plus Ace's flow suddenly goes a little forced-sounding ("and she liked it that way!"), plus you start to wonder what sort of mental disability pension Lucy was supporting herself with all that time. Whereas "Save Yourself" has that drunken-puppy weave to it, plus some killer lines.

Thanks, though -- I'm glad you guys found it reasonable.

― Nitsuh, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

what's Pitchfork? where the IL*luminati hang out to scoff at the rest of us?

― DV, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

EP, M.D.

If this was your doing, for shame. If this is ethan's creation, man, he's a funny guy.

― dleone, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I think i'd go with "Daylight" over "Save Yourself" over my favorite track on Labor Days, just for the line "Lifes not a bitch, lifes a beautiful woman." I'm not quite sure whats goin on with the "yes yes ya'll" sample though. its got a smooth chorus and all of that jazz, but the sample seems a little weak. but i still dig the rhymes more than any other on the album.

― Brock K, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Interesting fact:

Consistent Pitchfork style probably has a lot to do with Ryan's pretty hands-on style-sheet editing, which stripped this particular review down from my usual convoluted-sentences style to something probably more readable, if more Pitchforky as well. This doesn't bother me in this instance, as my review was too long and I gave his free reign to hack it up. On the other hand, I'm ashamed that he changed my grammatically correct "one of those MCs who have (etc.)" to the Also Correct But Not In This Context As It Means Something Else "one of those MCs who has (etc.)"

― Nitsuh, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Actually, no, the latter couldn't be correct in any case, unless it had a comma. ("...one of those MCS, who has...")

― Nitsuh, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

hands-on style-sheet editing

Let's revolt. Actually, I've been saved a couple of times, and I've been burned a couple of times, but I think writer-type people are required to complain about editors or something.

― dleone, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I don't think "No Regrets" is cartoonish. In fact, it seems pretty realistic to me. Neither would I say that it's didactic. I don't think Ace is saying that we should all be like Lucy, in fact he practically invites us to laugh at her, but he does show that there is something noble and almost tragic in her pursuit of her eccentric muse.

― Nate-o, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Congrats, Nitsuh!

― scott p., Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

EP, M.D.

If this was your doing, for shame. If this is ethan's creation, man, he's a funny guy.

It was my doing, but I have to think Dr. Padgett thought it up himself at some point.

― Mark, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

dave popshots started calling me 'epmd' like eight months ago, frankly it annoyed me then and it annoys me now, so uh carry on you kids. oh, and good review, nitsuh.

― ethan, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

also i did not quit pitchfork, i just went on hiatus for a while because my life was fucked up and i couldn't write. i should have a review up on thursday actually and a feature in the near near future.

― ethan, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

also it was me who made ryan email nitsuh and ask him to write something for us so i demand a small commission of his praise.

― ethan, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

It could be worse -- you could have the same first name as the guy that fronted the Funky Bunch (ten years on and I'm still hearing that shit...)

Glad to hear you're still writing for Pitchfork.

If I seem to have a large number of brief, inane posts lately, my apologies. I'm currently working a really boring job that has web access. It ends in 2 weeks, then its back to “occasionally poster” status.

― Mark, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

MARKY MARK PITCHFORK !

― ethan, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

although i did get a few 'you like that sellout jiggy shit not real hip-hop, ethan p more like ethan p. diddy!' when i did my jay-z review.

― ethan, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

"what's Pitchfork? where the IL*luminati hang out to scoff at the rest of us?"

Can't tell if you're being serious or not, DV, but if you haven't deduced it from various email-addresses, check out http://www.pitchforkmedia.com.

awesome review Nitsuh, I was thrilled when I learned you'd been added to the staff. All these impressive new reviewers are weighting the scales, and comments like Tom's about 'nice break' just sound kind of unstudied.

one question Nitsuh .. Aesop Rock = Ace? you mention 'Ace' in graphs 5 through 8, but there isn't specification before that if they're the same person; since I haven't heard the album yet (I'm a fool, I know), I wasn't sure about that.

― Dare, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Well, "Aesop Rock" gets unwieldy after a while, and he sometimes refers to himself as "Ace Rock," so ... yeah. I felt really weird about that, but it was most convenient.

Ethan is right -- this was all his idea. I meant to say no, as I still owe a piece to ILM poster Todd Burns' lovely Oligarchist Home Journal. But (a) Ryan made an appealing case, (b) the OHJ has already reviewed Labor Days, and (c) I will hopefully soon have something way more interesting for Todd, probably in the form of a piece on Cornell West and hip-hop. You should look at his site.

― Nitsuh, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Pardon me for not studying Pitchfork as intently as you, Dare. What I meant was that it's nice to read Pitchfork reviews which aren't heavy on the jokes and intro metaphors. I wouldn't like the site to drop those entirely though, hence 'a nice break'.

― Tom, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

haha pardoned! your comment just sounded snippy, especially coming from the chief of another online music publication. apologies if my snippy-ness was premature and ill-informed, I just read alot of derogatory comments about the quality of both the writing and the overall product over there and it doesn't always make much sense to me .. both because it seems to have improved immensely in the past two years and because it offers such varied content now.

― Chris, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i hate the intro metaphors as much as anyone but what is your problem with jokes?

― ethan, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I don't have a problem with jokes! I just dont think every review needs to be full of them!

I think Pitchfork's improved a lot too over the last few months - but I don't think my editing FT has much to do with my opinion of it. Pitchfork gets more readers - and is more reliable - than FT could ever hope to get and be. That's based on it running 4 reviews a day, regularly. The price of that is inevitably going to be a certain homogenity.

― Tom, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

subset question that would only exacerbate itself if I created a new topic for it: is the prevalence of Pitchforkers over here potentially a bad thing? Not in general, just in terms of the greater likelihood that a discussion could turn to the 'Fork as opposed to, say, Last Plane to Jakarta, or FakeJazz, or the Wire, or Spin or something ... does it ever bother you, Tom or anyone else? My guess is no since Richardson and Ethan P. are cherished institutions over here, but I was just wondering.

― Dare, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Last Plane to Jakarta = john posts here.

FakeJazz = dunno.

the Wire = former editor, current contributor posts here.

Spin = um, douglas writes for spin sometimes, yes? i'm sure there's been some one else too.

i think that pitchfork took quite a throttling on here before a. you lot showed up and b. ethan started writing for them. (mark's an anomaly really.) i -do- think that our criticisms of the fork have become a bit more nuanced since then if only because it's hard to tell your friend that his band sucks, rather than the knee jerk "another crummy indie-conceptual review from pfork." nuance in discussion = good.

i still think pfork has a lot of shit writers. a LOT.

― jess, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I want every musician and critic I've ever liked to post to ILM eventually. The ones I've disliked can post too of course but I don't care so much.

Daver Motherfucking Popshots writes for FakeJazz I think.

― Tom, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

he would write for them if he'd get off his ass.

― jess, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

One thing I know is that Pitchfork deserves its own ILM archive category. I mean, if Momus gets one with his three lousy threads, it's only fair.

― Mark, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

"ILM archive category"

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

― Tom, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Hey, what about the AMG, dammit? Sean Carruthers, Andy Kellman, Nitsuh in a former life, that one damn long-haired fool from California...

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I'll have you know that I have two reviews posted in this month's issue of FakeJazz, Jessua. Do a search for my name, yo. (In the FakeJazz search engine, that is.)

Mr. Matos & Mr. Reynolds (not really an active presence on these boards, but he's here in spirit, for dang sure) both do some work for Spin occasionally. (I wonder where Mr. Kogan has been as of late...)

The only regular (that is, updated daily) music websites I can think of are Pitchfork & Splendid. Splendid isn't nearly as controversial as the Fork - they're more consistent, but such consistency doesn't allow for the peaks & valleys that are usually associated w/ the Fork. They have improved immensely in the past couple of months - coincidentally enough, they've also expanded their sphere of musical influence, too.

And why, praytell, are we forgetting about Ms. Forsdale & KindaMuzik, hmm?

― David Raposa, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

lazy sods.

― jess, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I keep meaning to email old-acquaintance Michael Wood, the music editor at UR Chicago, and tell him to drop in here some time -- I probably would have never come to ILM if not for Michael having some Very Good Things to say about pop in his writings. It's amazing: I wrote for him when he edited the good but typically-indie music pages of Northwestern's campus paper, but he's since transformed into something pretty spectacular.

― Nitsuh, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

re: 'forgetting,' my comment wasn't intended to be a roster of writers here, it was just a question of the percentage of writers from Pitchfork vs. other sites. just a little manifestation of nervous anxiety.

― Dare, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Hey, what about the AMG, dammit? Sean Carruthers, Andy Kellman, Nitsuh in a former life, that one damn long-haired fool from California...

don't forget me.

― jess, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Thoughtless Ned forgot that I write for AMG sometimes, too.

― Mark, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

You are strange, odd creatures, but I assume you're both telling the truth. ;-)

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Yeah hey Mark -- why don't you write for us more often?

― Andy K, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I'd like to. I enjoy writing in the style I use at AMG -- it's almost relaxing, because the pieces are shorter and I try and focus on the details and description of the sound (I know other AMG writers approach this differently, some with good results; this is just my method.) It's just a time thing -- I only have so much to give to music writing, and Pitchfork has an appealing feedback mechanism (people who read my Pitchfork stuff take the time to write me & discuss it) and that makes it more of a priority.

― Mark, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Well, I've found responses to my AMG pieces over time -- hell, sometimes a couple of bandmembers write in! So it's been rewarding in its own way, if perhaps not as immediate, when it comes to feedback. :-)

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Don't frighten me like that, Ned.

― Nitsuh, Thursday, 24 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Oh heavens, Nitsuh, it's not like I'm going to tell everyone in New Zealand to look up your old Flying Nun reviews and... *notes Nitsuh retreating in fear*

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 24 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

four years pass...

...those were different times.

― Mark (MarkR), Friday, 4 August 2006 19:01 (nineteen years ago)

These kids today with their hula hoops and comments boxes and...

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 4 August 2006 19:13 (nineteen years ago)

Oligarchist Home Journal?!?

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 4 August 2006 19:28 (nineteen years ago)

haha i still totally stand by my post.

― PARTYMAN (dubplatestyle), Friday, 4 August 2006 19:42 (nineteen years ago)

one year passes...

revive to see if thread title changes to "ban me"

― da croupier, Monday, 28 January 2008 15:26 (eighteen years ago)

woooooo N i t s u h

― am0n, Monday, 28 January 2008 15:26 (eighteen years ago)

aw, I miss Brock. He was a real broseph. SIX years ago! Jeepers.

― ian, Monday, 28 January 2008 15:28 (eighteen years ago)

how/why did the [ban me] thing come about?

― The Reverend, Monday, 28 January 2008 15:36 (eighteen years ago)

It was at his request, I should note.

― Ned Raggett, Monday, 28 January 2008 15:37 (eighteen years ago)

you should put in the faq which writers' first names we're not allowed to type

― da croupier, Monday, 28 January 2008 15:39 (eighteen years ago)

yah who was fucking w/[nabisco] - inquiring minds wants to no

― jhøshea, Monday, 28 January 2008 15:40 (eighteen years ago)

Banisco.

― ian, Monday, 28 January 2008 15:44 (eighteen years ago)

n1tsuh @bebe is a lovely name btw

― jhøshea, Monday, 28 January 2008 15:45 (eighteen years ago)

[nabisco] comes from this thread lets cyberfuck

― Curt1s Stephens, Monday, 28 January 2008 15:51 (eighteen years ago)

[ban me] [ban me] [ban me]

― HI DERE, Monday, 28 January 2008 15:56 (eighteen years ago)

still lolz

― HI DERE, Monday, 28 January 2008 15:56 (eighteen years ago)

can we have a /nabisco tag too?

― Curt1s Stephens, Monday, 28 January 2008 15:58 (eighteen years ago)

lol how did i miss that one

― jhøshea, Monday, 28 January 2008 15:59 (eighteen years ago)

[ban me] jagger

― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Monday, 28 January 2008 15:59 (eighteen years ago)

oh its cause its called lets cyberfuck ok

― jhøshea, Monday, 28 January 2008 15:59 (eighteen years ago)

I always wondered why he stopped using his real name. HISTORY LESSON.

-- Laurel (Laurel), Saturday, January 6, 2007 1:10 AM (1 year ago) Bookmark Link

Laurel, his mom googled his name and discovered this thing called ILX. :-)

(Christ, I've been on this board for much too long.)

-- Nathalie (stevie nixed), Saturday, January 6, 2007 7:17 AM (1 year ago) Bookmark Link

Can someone please check that this thread is de-indexed / remove my name?

-- nabisco, Wednesday, October 17, 2007 9:50 PM (3 months ago) Bookmark Link

― jhøshea, Monday, 28 January 2008 15:59 (eighteen years ago)

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha I forgot that nabisco was the proto-J@gger!

― HI DERE, Monday, 28 January 2008 16:29 (eighteen years ago)

burn

― elan, Monday, 28 January 2008 16:30 (eighteen years ago)

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2414/2216599455_d57937bfdb_m.jpg

― Jordan, Monday, 28 January 2008 16:33 (eighteen years ago)

[.]

― The Reverend, Monday, 28 January 2008 16:34 (eighteen years ago)

hahaha @bebe= [.]

― The Reverend, Monday, 28 January 2008 16:34 (eighteen years ago)

[nabisco]

― The Reverend, Monday, 28 January 2008 16:34 (eighteen years ago)

[.] [.] [.]

― am0n, Monday, 28 January 2008 16:35 (eighteen years ago)

[nabisco]

― HI DERE, Monday, 28 January 2008 16:57 (eighteen years ago)

[ban me][.]

― HI DERE, Monday, 28 January 2008 16:58 (eighteen years ago)

^^^^ lolololol

― HI DERE, Monday, 28 January 2008 16:58 (eighteen years ago)

[.] [.] [.]

-- am0n, Monday, January 28, 2008 11:35 AM (22 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

total recall?

― and what, Monday, 28 January 2008 16:58 (eighteen years ago)

lol

― Jordan, Monday, 28 January 2008 17:02 (eighteen years ago)

so sad that tom deleted my http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?boardid=40&threadid=55990

― Curt1s Stephens, Monday, 28 January 2008 17:08 (eighteen years ago)

@bebe symbol suspiciously resembles jarvik eye

― jhøshea, Monday, 28 January 2008 17:10 (eighteen years ago)

nabisco quick
nabisco slowly

― blueski, Monday, 28 January 2008 17:17 (eighteen years ago)

why do I get saddled with the blame for every mod action that takes place? oh well, whatever. I don't remember that thread, though

― El Tomboto, Monday, 28 January 2008 22:39 (eighteen years ago)

Nabisco heartache
Nothing but a heartache
Nabisco when it's too late
Nabisco when you're down

― James Redd and the Blecchs, Monday, 28 January 2008 22:42 (eighteen years ago)

man i'd pay good money for someone to retroactively change my last name to [ban me] on ILX threads. my posts from 2002-2004 do NOT need to come up on google.

― da croupier, Monday, 28 January 2008 23:28 (eighteen years ago)

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