Go Betweens - Ocean Rain

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Anybody heard it? I posted a while back re the single "Here Comes The City" - sounded promising. The tracks I've sampled sound like a return to the lushness of "Tallulah" and "16 Lovers Lane" (which couldn't have happened sooner).

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 2 May 2005 19:15 (twenty years ago)

It's growing on me the more I play it.

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Monday, 2 May 2005 19:24 (twenty years ago)

Me too. Anyone heard the bonus disc? I don't like it much.

dan. (dan.), Monday, 2 May 2005 19:28 (twenty years ago)

I love Robert's songs especially, in particular "Darlinghurst Nights."
Better than Bright Orange Bright Yellow, but doesn't quite reach the heights of Friends of Rachel Worth.

Jazzbo (jmcgaw), Monday, 2 May 2005 20:08 (twenty years ago)

Robert comes out a clear winner on this album. Grant's songs are a bit more of the same melancholy sentimental. The album is great, but the mastering is horrible, the distortion on some of the tracks is terrible when you listen to it on headphones. I can't understand how they could have released it like that, doesn't anyone do any post-mastering quality control?

Jonathan Z. (Joanthan Z.), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 08:10 (twenty years ago)

Everyone OTM.

I think there's something a little off-putting about the last three Go-Betweens records though.. I can't put my finger on it. Like I can't relax when I listen to them.

diedre mousedropping (Dave225), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 10:25 (twenty years ago)

http://www.newburycomics.com/images/muze/090/99335.jpg

vs

http://www.go-betweens.org.uk/gb/pics/gboacover.jpg

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 10:29 (twenty years ago)

Jonathan, you're not the only one who's noticed the crappy mastering.

Jazzbo (jmcgaw), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 10:52 (twenty years ago)

I'm not feeling this one at all. Listened a few times and shelved it for a while. What's the secret to hearing it as something other than a new low?

Nag! Nag! Nag! (Nag! Nag! Nag!), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 11:08 (twenty years ago)

Huh, just noticed that this thread got the title wrong -- it's Oceans Apart.
Anyway, apparently the recordings were extremely compressed in mastering. There's an interesting discussion here:
http://go-betweens.org.uk/cgi-bin/chatroom/discus.cgi

Jazzbo (jmcgaw), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 15:13 (twenty years ago)

It's funny, people complaining about the sound on a Go-Betweens record.

dan. (dan.), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 15:31 (twenty years ago)

I know, dan. Every record w/the exception of "Before Hollywood" has been flawed at the mastering stage, it seems.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 16:43 (twenty years ago)

But I think what most people are griping about is the unintentional distortion (at least I think it's unintentional), not the mix or anything like that. I don't remember previous Go-Betweens records sounding distorted.

Jazzbo (jmcgaw), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 20:40 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I got the album today...everyone's right about the distortion. BUT...

This is by far the best of their reunion albums, and not because the songs are better: it's the production. The DIY self-production of their last two records never suited the Go-Betweens; their songs deserve the Cinemascope treatment (which is why, as far as their earlier records goes, I prefer Tallulah and 16 Lovers Lane). The reverbed guitar and vocals, clarinet solos, drum machines all give Forster's ruminative autobiographical narratives and McLennan's romantic gush the sweep they deserve. Favorites: "Darlinghurst Nights," "The Statue," "Here Comes The City."

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 5 May 2005 23:56 (twenty years ago)

Christgau's review today:

Robert's songs more tuneful in their maturity, Grant's more atmospheric, they punch 'em all up to make a stronger impression than on their comeback album, thus proving that it was one. Settled down in real life, Robert recaptures his peripatetic past with a clear conscience and a sharp eye; still questing, Grant couches his romanticism in instrumental subtleties that soften his detachment. Robert so fond, Grant so elusive, both so beguiling, they're deeply civilized for the leaders of a working rock band. And for just that reason they can follow the calling until that distant day when strumming itself is too much for them. Grade: A

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 16:19 (twenty years ago)

So far, I only really love "Boundary Rider".

Simon H. (Simon H.), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 17:14 (twenty years ago)

JtN OTM.

Does this record correct the shortcomings of their earlier LPs?

the bluefox, Tuesday, 10 May 2005 17:57 (twenty years ago)

For me the problem with the first two reunion albums was the production; the songs were wonderful.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 18:02 (twenty years ago)

i don't understand the last two posts at all.

how can wonderful songs be deteriorated by a do-it-yourself production? that's a complete mystery to me.

which shortcomings are you talking about, pinefox?

and what is that other cover posted by jtn upthread? sorry for my ignorance. and how can somebody be otm who juxtaposes two covers?

btw here comes the city is about mainhattan.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 19:28 (twenty years ago)

Because the Go-Be's need Cinemascope production: oboes, harmonies, reverb, etc. That's all I meant.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 19:42 (twenty years ago)

i don't think so, alfred. i think they are best live. production-wise that is clearly not the optimal setting. probably their songs can bear a widescreen production. but only as they are excellent on their own already.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 20:22 (twenty years ago)

"probably their songs can bear a widescreen production. but only as they are excellent on their own already."

Which they are, and have been for ever. Their problem was never lack of good songs.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 20:24 (twenty years ago)

The coda of 'Finding You' lightly, wordlessly draws its finger over the history of the Go-Betweens and make everything all right.

Alba (Alba), Friday, 20 May 2005 19:28 (twenty years ago)

makes.

Alba (Alba), Friday, 20 May 2005 19:33 (twenty years ago)

I've found incredible solace in this thread, because I felt like after reading all of the positive reviews (it's #2 on Metacritic 2005) nobody had noticed what an awfully, awfully recorded and mastered record this is. The mastering engineer, especially, should be out of a job by now.

southern lights, Saturday, 21 May 2005 02:49 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, like a lot of poorly produced records, I find I'm enjoying it in my head more than on the stereo... But these songs are great.

Pete Scholtes, Friday, 27 May 2005 08:21 (twenty years ago)

I'm really disappointed with the shit mastering - I listen to most of my music on headphones while working, but it's just impossible with Oceans Apart.

That said, "Darlinghurst Nights" is one of the best things Robert has done. Especially poignant if you were hanging around Darlinghurst in the early eighties as I was. "Gut-rot cappuccino, gut-rot spaghetti", I even know what crappy restaurant he's talking about.

Jonathan Z. (Joanthan Z.), Friday, 27 May 2005 10:03 (twenty years ago)

I think it was the pitchfork review that trashed that song based on lyrics that aren't even there like: "got rock cappuccino, got rock spaghetti." What does it mean?! Aren't they printed?

Anyway, it's so clearly the best song on that record.

dan. (dan.), Friday, 27 May 2005 13:57 (twenty years ago)

I still can't decide what to think about this album, but then again that's how I felt about all the other ones. If it doesn't turn out to be a classic, it is far from a black mark. "Boundary Rider" so far my favorite. I'm assuming the distortion everyone's complaining about came from using some beloved ancient mixing board that's impossible to clean at this point, but maybe I'm just naive. I only have listened on headphones so it doesn't bother me.

Ken L (Ken L), Friday, 27 May 2005 15:01 (twenty years ago)

I'll insist that this is the best reunion album, and definitely one of the best albums of the year, despite the distortion.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Friday, 27 May 2005 15:20 (twenty years ago)

four months pass...
Revisited this one recently and it holds up well. Alfred OTM best of the reunion cds.

Jim Reckling (Jim Reckling), Sunday, 23 October 2005 13:44 (twenty years ago)

Agreed - my favorite of the 3.

TRG (TRG), Sunday, 23 October 2005 22:05 (twenty years ago)

two months pass...
So, this is probably my favorite album of the year and would've been my number-one had not that damn Hold Steady record come along.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Friday, 23 December 2005 15:29 (twenty years ago)

I don't think it's been mentioned elsewhere, but a new master exists - I think they received so much shit about the strange production and distortion that they sort of quietly touched it up and put it out there. You can even trade your old one in for the new one in the UK - not sure how it works if you have the US Yep Roc release. Also not sure how you'd tell it apart from the old version in a store. The Lo Max site has some info.

TRG (TRG), Friday, 23 December 2005 16:27 (twenty years ago)

"Go Betweens - Ocean Rain"

Go Betweens cover Echo & the Bunnymen.

mox twelve (Mox twleve), Friday, 23 December 2005 17:23 (twenty years ago)

On the strength of "Oceans Apart", the GB's get my comeback-band-of-the-year award.

drewo (drewo), Friday, 23 December 2005 19:37 (twenty years ago)

good news about the remaster. i can buy it now.

jim p. irrelevant (electricsound), Saturday, 24 December 2005 03:58 (twenty years ago)

one year passes...

good news about the remaster. i can buy it now.
Was it really remastered? I don't play this one as much because of the distortion. Love the songs, though.

Jazzbo, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 17:38 (eighteen years ago)

the mastering is too loud, it's true, but that just kind of makes me love it even more. this might be my favorite album of the decade.

Matos W.K., Tuesday, 3 July 2007 19:52 (eighteen years ago)

It's pretty incredible. It shouldn't have ended the band's story like that but what a way to end.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 19:54 (eighteen years ago)

I'm embarrassed I got the album wrong!

As for the mastering, I've come to love it like I do the final mix of Give Me Enough Rope; and, yeah, this may be the only album released in the last three years that I never tire of. Listening to that solo comp recently released makes me pine for McLennan even more.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 20:04 (eighteen years ago)

Well, you've all convinced me to listen to it more.
But I'm still curious about TRG's claim that a new master has "quietly" been released. Does anyone have it and if so, do they hear a difference?

Jazzbo, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 20:10 (eighteen years ago)

I pulled this album out again earlier this week and it's still great. The mastering never really bothered me too much except for the middle section of "Finding You" ("then the lightning finds us...") which sounds like it's compressed to hell and back when it should have been a build from the previous chorus. It doesn't stop that from being my favorite McLennan song though.

ciderpress, Wednesday, 4 July 2007 03:00 (eighteen years ago)

The mastering never really bothered me too much except for the middle section of "Finding You" ("then the lightning finds us...") which sounds like it's compressed to hell and back when it should have been a build from the previous chorus. It doesn't stop that from being my favorite McLennan song though.

Wow, you've nailed it. I thought the same thing. It's really the worst-mixed song, isn't it? This would seem to be more of a problem with McLennan's songs because they're big and bright, but "The Statue" and "No Reason To Cry" sound fine.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 4 July 2007 03:03 (eighteen years ago)

I just wish Go Betweens would cover Echo & the Bunnymen's "Ocean Rain". Please wake me up when this happens. For the serious. Thanks. :)

Bimble, Wednesday, 4 July 2007 03:12 (eighteen years ago)

one year passes...

So has an improved master really surfaced? I'm considerin using "Finding You" for a wedding slide show.

Pete Scholtes, Thursday, 23 April 2009 18:37 (sixteen years ago)

Supposedly. I keep forgetting to order another copy.

I'm crossing over into enterprise (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 23 April 2009 18:38 (sixteen years ago)

have really been enjoying bootlegs of Forster's Evangelist tour ...

tylerw, Thursday, 23 April 2009 18:47 (sixteen years ago)

some of which you can find over yonder: http://misha4music.blogspot.com ....

tylerw, Thursday, 23 April 2009 18:48 (sixteen years ago)


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