A question about free improvisation...

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I have always wondered, how do these musicians who are freely improvising stay consistently inventive. They don't seem to be repeating the same phrases again and again - so where does it come from!? I really am in admiration of these guys, its exciting music to listen to, but I really don't think I understand it much at all.

Also another question - do musicians enjoy music more than non-musicians?

― Cuckoo's Nest, Monday, 2 May 2005 23:57 (twenty years ago)

they stay inventive mainly by listening hard to what others are doing. but, as with all things, their idiosyncratic bloops and bleeps will always return, just like a blues guitarists licks. it's just hard to tell.

― phil turnbull (philT), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 00:07 (twenty years ago)

I think musicians often enjoy music in a different way, and for different reasons than non-musicians. However, I don't think that is better, per se.

As for free improv, it seems to come (in most cases) from a deeply rooted structural base (rhythm/key/modulations/genre), off of which one can meander/build/etc. I, for one, rarely enjoy it.

― John Justen (johnjusten), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 00:10 (twenty years ago)

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― Stormy Davis (diamond), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 00:22 (twenty years ago)

Derek Bailey always sounds the same. Why is he so revered by everyone? Complete pile of steaming shit. All free improvized music sounds like people just making it up as they go along. What utter rubbish!

I seethe with rage at this bullshit!

― Derek Bailey Is Shit, Tuesday, 3 May 2005 00:42 (twenty years ago)

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― Stormy Davis (diamond), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 00:50 (twenty years ago)

I'm not a musician, and I certainly enjoy it in different ways than my friends who are. For example, I'm much more lyric oriented, while one of my friends can listen to whole noise albums. Wild.

― WillS, Tuesday, 3 May 2005 01:42 (twenty years ago)

I am definatly a beginner at the whole jazz thing, i play bass in a semi-professional combo, but we're all in high school, so we don't get that many gigs. basically improv is basing things off of chord progressions, so creating new licks for different songs is natural because of the different ways chords are placed together. there are certain changes used over and over again (blues, rhythm changes, cherokee changes, etc) where you can use the same licks or tricks over, but that is pretty much accepted. most people who are improvising on changes they have played before aren't freely improvising as much as they are building upon knowledge they already have and expanding on the chords and scales. i guess thats from a musician's standpoint though.

― jonathan - stl (jonathan - stl), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 01:56 (twenty years ago)

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― latebloomer: But when the monkey die, people gonna cry. (latebloomer), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 02:59 (twenty years ago)

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― latebloomer: But when the monkey die, people gonna cry. (latebloomer), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 03:01 (twenty years ago)

HAVE YOU EVER PICKED YOUR NOSE AND FOUND NEW PARTS THAT YOU HAVEN'T THOUGHT OF PICKING????

― corey c (shock of daylight), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 06:10 (twenty years ago)

i pick my nose a lot

― corey c (shock of daylight), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 06:10 (twenty years ago)

I blow snot rockets in the shower and it looks like abortions

― A homunculus of Darby Crash, .... created for the purposes of *EVIL* (ex machina, Tuesday, 3 May 2005 07:00 (twenty years ago)

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