2nd Tier Guitar Heroes of the late 60s, 70s & early 80s S&D

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How about a discussion about the guitar hero, except to keep it a bit more interesting lets go with the also rans. The past year or so I have been a bit obsessed with more obscure 60s and 70s guitar rock.

Rory Gallagher
Peter Green
Kim Simmonds
Robin Trower
Bill Nelson*
Frank Marino* (You have to like the Hendrix story. I think more artists should use some kind of coma meeting of music legends to start musical careers. As much as I heard the name Frank Marino and Mahogany Rush, I have never heard their music.)
Roy Buchanan*
Johnny Winter (He is probably borderline to be in this list, but if you discuss Rick Derringer, might as well discuss Johnny Winter.)
Ronnie Montrose
Jan Akkerman*
Tommy Bolin
Pat Travers*
Jim McCarty
Michael Schenker
Alan Holdsworth
Gary Moore
Leslie West
Rick Derringer
Les Dudek*
Rhino
Peter Frampton (Started out a guitar hero, ended up a teen idol.)

*I don't have any records by these guys, so anyone that can fill in the gaps is appreciated.

― Earl Nash (earlnash), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 00:37 (twenty years ago)

Dudek played in Black Rose with Cher, I believe.

― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 00:51 (twenty years ago)

larry carlton

― reno sweeney (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 00:56 (twenty years ago)

Skunk Baxter. Elliot Randall.

― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 00:57 (twenty years ago)

Denny Dias!

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― Keith C (kcraw916), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 01:00 (twenty years ago)

Uli Jon Roth belongs on that list. and Michael Schenker is one of the great guitarists on that list.

Johnny Winter is pretty damn great on Muddy's Hard Again. I've been meaning to check out his first couple solo joints on Columbia.

I love Frampton's jazzy solo on "Stone Cold Fever".

Has anyone heard Gary Moore's Skid Row? Listening to the second Dr. Strangely Strange record a few weeks back, it suddenly occured to me I really want to hear Skid Row.

― Stormy Davis (diamond), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 01:02 (twenty years ago)

My favorite Pat Travers record is _Crash and Burn_, but it's not very representative of his output as it's got a lot of keyboards on it. The live album _Go For What You Know_ (which immediately preceded _C&B_) might be the best place to start. Note that Pat Thrall (a pretty good guitarist in his own right) plays lead on a lot of the early Pat Travers Band stuff.

― Jeff Wright (JeffW1858), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 01:02 (twenty years ago)

The Cher connection doesn't suprise me too much as Dudek played on "Jessica" and "Rambing Man" by the Allman Brothers.

Search Albums:
Captain Beyond - s/t (Rhino on guitar)
Mountain - Climbing! (Leslie West)

― Earl Nash (earlnash), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 01:02 (twenty years ago)

and of course Peter Green is god. Get one Shrine '69 and Live at the Boston Tea Party.

― Stormy Davis (diamond), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 01:02 (twenty years ago)

second tier? blue hippos!!!

― Michael J McGonigal (mike mcgonigal), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 01:16 (twenty years ago)

Uli John Roth should definitely be on this list. What Scorpions album is his best work? Roth is another one of those guys that I have heard the name, but never heard the music.

Gary Moore's solo career is just bad timing by about six years. I think his heavy albums such as "Victims of the Future" and "Corridors of Power" would have been much more popular in the mid 70s instead of early 80s.

Eddie Van Halen, Randy Rhoads and punk rock kind of ended this kind of guitar hero or at least forced them to take sides with either blues or heavy metal. Vai, Satriani and the age of the schredders are just not nearly as interesting as these earlier blues rawkers.

Michael Schenker is probably one of the missing links in the development of heavy metal. I'm sure the guys in Iron Maiden, Diamondhead and Hetfield, who said he used to sit around and try to learn UFO albums are all influenced by Schenker.

Peter Green is an interesting case. I think in an alternate universe he ends up popular and famous like Eric Clapton and Clapton ends up destitute.

― Earl Nash (earlnash), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 01:16 (twenty years ago)

Schenker was cool. I saw UFO open for Cheap Trick in 1981.

― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 02:00 (twenty years ago)

Howbout Patto's Ollie Halsall? I once played "Loud Green Song" like a dozen times running, grinning & drooling like a moron! (He played some pretty rollicking pianner too, & vibes even.)

― Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 03:35 (twenty years ago)

Maurice Deebank of Felt, early days.

Bob Webber and Bob Yeasel of Sugarloaf. ("HOT WATER.. HOT WATER.. HOT WATER... AAAAAAAAAAAH! *FUZZFUZZFUZZFUZZFUCKYEAAAAAAAAAH*"... I swear this song invented the band Black Mountain)

― donut debonair (donut), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 05:37 (twenty years ago)

Eddie Phillips

― Cunga (Cunga), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 05:43 (twenty years ago)

Seconding Ollie Halsall, seconding "Loud Green Song."

― Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 11:34 (twenty years ago)

I've never heard any Sugarloaf songs other than "Green Eyed Lady", which I was suprised to find out was written by Papa John Phillips. The bassline on that song kills me, it sounds like the punchline to a joke.

Eddie Phillips is from The Creation, right?

I've never heard of Patto, what are they all about?

― earlnash, Tuesday, 3 May 2005 12:35 (twenty years ago)

Hard to describe: sort of bar band prog-rock. Halsall seems to have started "tapping" way before Eddie Van Halen. His first instrument was drums, I think, then he switched over to vibes. You may know him for playing the guitar parts for The Rutles (in the movie he is Leppo, mentioned in passing and shown in a photo). His bandmate, drummer John Halsey, was also a Rutle- Barry Wom.

― Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 12:41 (twenty years ago)

Bill Nelson* Best guitar hero histrionics in a hard rock format is on "Sunburst Finish" with BeBop Deluxe. Precisely, "Crying to the Sky."

Frank Marino* (You have to like the Hendrix story. I think more artists should use some kind of coma meeting of music legends to start musical careers. As much as I heard the name Frank Marino and Mahogany Rush, I have never heard their music.)

Marino's latest double live CD just about covers his entire catalog of style. And it's one of his best platters. First three Mahogany Rush albums are muddy semi-psychedelic grungy things. The big seller in the States was Mahogany Rush Live which is OK but more toward 70-s commercial boogie rock as he was being pushed in that area by his management, Leber-Krebs.

Jan Akkerman* Eclectically mixes styles but maybe not in an exciting way. Best stuff was in Focus.

Pat Travers* Very funky, very bluesy, very collision-filled hard rock morphing into arena metal on the same stage with Ted Nugent.

Les Dudek* -- poor man's Duane Allman. Which was fine after Duane died.

― George Smith, Tuesday, 3 May 2005 18:35 (twenty years ago)

As for best Pat Travers rekkids, "Heat in the Street," which is the first to feature Pat Thrall who came from Automatic Man. "Putting It Straight" precedes it and is my personal favorite. "Making Magic" has an excellent version of "Statesboro Blues" and his first record has his all-time rip up the stage closer, "Makes No Difference." Also good speedy versions of "Hot Rod Lincoln" and "Maybellene."

― George Smith, Tuesday, 3 May 2005 18:43 (twenty years ago)

Let's not forget Dick Wagner & Steve Hunter's tour de force on Rock-n-Roll Animal. Talk about a twofer.

― Sparkle Motion's Rising Force, Tuesday, 3 May 2005 18:44 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, the Lou Reed record despised by Lou Reed for people who despise Lou Reed.

― George Smith, Tuesday, 3 May 2005 18:48 (twenty years ago)

Earl Slick. C'mon now, I know you all would have love in your heart for the Earl Slick Band's "Razor Sharp" if you had heard it.

And someone has just reissued Luther Grosvenor's first solo album with "Hear Comes the Queen" on it. Sadly, it was all pretty much over for Ariel Bender are he was out of Mott the Hoople. It didn't look that way at the time, but Widowmaker just didn't catch on.

― George Smith, Tuesday, 3 May 2005 18:52 (twenty years ago)

And who can forget Clem Clempson! He was in many bands -- Colisseum, Bakerloo, Humble Pie, Rough Diamond -- of which much was said at the time but of which, sadly, no one recalls now. Clem Clempson -- the Tom Woodeshick/Donny Anderson/Calvin Hill -- of hard rock!

― George Smith, Tuesday, 3 May 2005 18:56 (twenty years ago)

George OTM about RnRA but I'm sure some apologists will be here soon. Didn't Xgau like this record?

I saw this guy John "Gypie" Mayo who used to play with Dr. Feelgood, I think, play with the nu-Yardbirds and he managed not to embarrass himself so I say he is a topic for further research.

― Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 18:57 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, Gypie Mayo didn't stink up the place with the Feelgoods, either. I really liked one song from his tenure, "Milk and Alcohol."

― George Smith, Tuesday, 3 May 2005 19:00 (twenty years ago)

And Mick Box! Mick Box never deserted the Heep for a solo record! He stuck with the Heep, too, even when everyone else had jumped ship, the traitors! I bought my first wah-wah because of Mick Box! Couldn't play "Easy Livin'" without it!

Mick Box tells it like it was in The best fanzine on 70's hard rock, ever!

― George Smith, Tuesday, 3 May 2005 19:06 (twenty years ago)

Don't know his name, but the guy in Spooky Tooth. The playing on 'Evil Woman' is really frantic and great.

― 57 7th (calstars), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 19:10 (twenty years ago)

Don't know his name, but the guy in Spooky Tooth.

That's Luther!

― George Smith, Tuesday, 3 May 2005 19:28 (twenty years ago)

Paul Kossoff

― 57 7th (calstars), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 20:14 (twenty years ago)

Carlos Alomar

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 20:42 (twenty years ago)

It's a shame Paul Kossoff became useless with the onset of his raging drug habit. Nothing by Back Street Crawler is worth having. The solo thing with Rabbit and Tetsu has only one or two worthy tunes. I like nothing on "Heartbreaker" that he actually played on. Free "At Last" has a couple good songs but not -because- of Kossoff. Which still leaves a lot: "Tons of Sobs," "Free," "Fire and Water," and "Live" with "Highway" being another toss up.

― George Smith, Tuesday, 3 May 2005 20:43 (twenty years ago)

Wilko Johnson

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 20:58 (twenty years ago)

Robin Trower and Allan Holdsworth are also rans? D00D

How about Tommy Bolin or Dominic Frontiere (I think, took over for Joe Walsh in The James Gang)

― Dave Vinson (Gaughin), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 11:04 (twenty years ago)

That's Dominic TROIANO, Dave! I used to work with his cousin or neice or something. Frontiere is a composer for motion pictures, if I'm not mistaken.

― Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 15:28 (twenty years ago)

Dom Troiano also served a term in the post-Bachman Guess Who, and later fronted his own power trio, which I remember seeing as an underager.

― brianiac (briania), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 15:53 (twenty years ago)

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