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― Onimo (GerryNemo), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 16:18 (twenty years ago)
Ha. I once started a thread (here it is: The chorus) about the question of what makes a chorus sound like one even if heard in isolation. The thread flopped dismally, but the question bothers me still.
― Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 16:29 (twenty years ago)
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 17:05 (twenty years ago)
"Parisienne Walkways", possibly.
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 17:06 (twenty years ago)
― peter smith (plsmith), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 17:07 (twenty years ago)
That said, a pop song doesn't need a chorus--I sometimes utilize the highly scientific "thingee" to describe an identifying morif in a song.
I think what you mean is a refrain, an elemnet within a melody that establishes a musical/lyric hook.
Something like "Elanor Rigby" is even more fun--the "chorus" element is in the nominal verse, while the repeating part--what would seem to be the chorus, the "lonely people" bit, is actually a refrain verging on an intro.
― Ian in Brooklyn, Tuesday, 3 May 2005 17:23 (twenty years ago)
― Seb (Seb), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 17:30 (twenty years ago)
For "Hey Jude," I'd argue that the chorus is the "Hey Jude, don't make it bad..." section that starts out the song and reappears a few times. The final refrain is an important part of the song, but doesn't really add much to the first part, which would work the same way if they cut it off at that final high note.
― mike a, Tuesday, 3 May 2005 17:30 (twenty years ago)
― joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 17:31 (twenty years ago)
― mike a, Tuesday, 3 May 2005 17:31 (twenty years ago)
Are you just talking about a strict musical definition of a "chorus"? Because in a practical real-world sense, your statement is certainly not necessarily true. Take a song with verses and choruses, let's say "Louie Louie" just for the sake of an easy example. If we edited it, or rerecorded it so that we had a version of LL that was just one verse and one chorus, and asked people who had never heard the original version to listend to the edited version and say which part was the chorus, don't you think it would be pretty easily identifiable despite the lack of repetition?
― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 17:34 (twenty years ago)
That said, I feel like we're using some pretty musty definitions here. Seems like, for better or worse, these rules have been blown open as wide as the rhyme and meter constraints in poetry. Not that that's a good thing.
― joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 17:40 (twenty years ago)
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― billstevejim (billstevejim), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 18:43 (twenty years ago)
Like, say, Low's "Dinosaur Act." Couldn't be simpler.
Intro is chorus chord progression.
Verse is another chord progression/melody.
Chorus repeats title with a more clear sense of the melody implied in chorus usage.
And so on. Is what I meant.
"Louie Luoie" hews to a standard a/b/a/b structure--you don't need (obviously) to change chords to change the melody above them that signifies a hook.
More interesting is something like Queen's "Death on Two Legs".
Usually, as in the Low example (shut up, professor), the verse is building to some sort of resolution usually reserved for the chorus to fullfil.
But the Queen song totally screws with that.
You have a minor key verse, then a variation that contains the title phrase and is, indeed, repeated, but on the first repeat, it's turning chord changes--
--and we're into another part altogether, wherin Freddie catalogues his manager's assorted unsavory qualities, and THIS is the part that supplies the aforementioned sense of resolution--but what would you call that part?
A bridge, I guess. But then you realize the whole thing is a build-up to Freddie mouthing solo--"But now you can kiss"--guitar noise--"my ass goodbye," followed by uber-kewl guitar solo thingee.
There's really no formal chorus or refrain. *That* is some fucking excellent songwriting.
― Ian in Brooklyn, Tuesday, 3 May 2005 21:09 (twenty years ago)
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― fact checking cuz (fcc), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 23:37 (twenty years ago)
if the chorus is the "i might make it california's fault..." part, then it appears exactly once.
if the chorus is the "i've got a feeling..." part, then it appears only at the end of the song, though it then gets repeated as the song fades.
either way, it more or less qualifies, i think.
― fact checking cuz (fcc), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 23:52 (twenty years ago)
― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 23:54 (twenty years ago)
― Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 03:05 (twenty years ago)
On the other hand, though the Hey Jude bit keeps repeating, it's altered every time (I think!) so perhaps is more akin to a verse. But really, I dunno!
― NickB (NickB), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 06:52 (twenty years ago)
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― Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 15:25 (twenty years ago)
"Another Brick In The Wall" (Parts I and III)
― ZionTrain, Wednesday, 4 May 2005 22:20 (twenty years ago)
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