Lyrical Logical Fallacies

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Exhibit A - Circular Logic
"I Know What I Like"
by Huey Lewis & The News

"I like things that don't change
Because the more something changes, the more it stays the same"

Where things that don't change = things that stay the same, Huey does not, in fact, know what he likes.

Dennis, Wednesday, 4 May 2005 18:57 (twenty years ago)

it's true, huey lewis is no rene descartes.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 19:01 (twenty years ago)

hahaha

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 19:02 (twenty years ago)

The Monkees - "Shades of Grey"

"Today there is no day or night"

n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 19:05 (twenty years ago)

i think the grateful dead ouevre could be profitably mined for examples of this

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 19:07 (twenty years ago)

n/a, is that a logical fallacy or a factual fallacy?

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 19:08 (twenty years ago)

I fail to see from whence the profit would come.

n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 19:08 (twenty years ago)

Not so much a Logical Fallacy as a sever health code violation:

Don Covay:
I just got finished given the hotel
manager back the room key and paid my bill

I was outside in the car
In the shadows of the parkin' lot
Tellin' the woman I was with
how happy she made me
Kissin' and huggin'

An all of a sudden another car
pulled up on the parkin' lot
But I couldn't believe my eyes
'Cause the woman that was sitting
in the front seat beside another dude
Turned out to be my old lady

Sings:
Lord, I was checkin' out
And she was checkin' in
Yeah, yeah, yeah, (yeah)
(Oh yeah)
Oh, let me tell you people
I was checkin' out, um-hm
An my old lady was checkin' in
Oh Lord, have mercy!

I was with my other woman
And she, she was with her boyfriend
She waited outside ya'all, in the car
While he went in, yeah
To rent the room

I wanted to say something to her
But there was nothing I could say, yeah
'Cause the woman I was with
Yes, she was married too!

Lord, I was checkin' out
And she was checkin' in (checkin' in)
Yeah, yeah, yeah
Oh, yes she was
Ya'all, I saw another man took my old lady
(Oh took my baby)
Let me tell ya
In the Hideaway Motor Inn
(Motor Inn) yeah baby um-hm
Uum, I was with my other woman
(Oh, I was treated wrong, yeah)
And she was with her boyfriend

She was suppose to be at home
Mindin' the kids
The both of us had been untrue
(Been untrue)

Guess I'll have to go on
Bein' blind
I can't reveal her guilt
Without' showin' mine, Lord!

I was checkin' out
(Checkin out, sho' nuff was)
As she was checkin' in
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

Hoo hey! umm, let me tell ya
What hurt me so bad, ya'all
(Hurt me, really hurt me so bad)
Really hurt me so bad
(It hurt me)
The man gave him the same room I had
Yes, he did, yeah-yeah
The same room I was in (yeah)

Umm!, what a terrible blow it was
(Such a terrible, terrible, terrible thing it was)

FADES-

What a terrible thing
To do to a man, yeah-yeah

She was smilin'
And she never smiles!

I think my debt has
Caught up with me ya'all

Lord, have mercy.

Huk-L, Wednesday, 4 May 2005 19:09 (twenty years ago)

I don't know, Dan, I WASN'T ACCEPTED TO HARVARD.

n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 19:09 (twenty years ago)

(heh)

The Ghost of That Crimson Bastard (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 19:15 (twenty years ago)

I had to settle for the SECOND oldest college in the U.S. Oh the humanity!

n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 19:16 (twenty years ago)

Not exactly a logical fallacy, but Eazy-E's verse on "Straight Outta Compton" sorta fits:

"Shinin the light in my face, and for what?"
[He's made because cops are hassling him without cause. Why are they bothering him? he wonders]

"Maybe it's because I kick so much butt"
[Well...

"I kick ass -- or maybe it's cause I blast on a stupid-assed nigga when I'm playin with the trigger of an Uzi or an AK"
[OK, now we're getting somewhere. The cops are shining a light in your face because you've been killing people. Maybe he's just thinking out loud here?]

Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 19:26 (twenty years ago)

OK, maybe not a logical fallacy but this has bugged me for years - ABC's The Look Of Love:

"If you judge a book by the cover,
Then you judge the look by the lover"

No you bloody don't, Martin, you judge the lover by the look.

How to ruin what should be a classic song in one couplet.

Guilty Boksen (Bro_Danielson), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 19:37 (twenty years ago)

"Say You, Say Me, say it together...that's the way it should be."

Fuck you, Lionel.

Huk-L, Wednesday, 4 May 2005 19:47 (twenty years ago)

"If you judge a book by the cover,
Then you judge the look by the lover"

Nice, that one always bugged me too.

Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 19:48 (twenty years ago)

dudes, think about it for a second: it's deep.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 19:49 (twenty years ago)

"Say You, Say Me, say it together...that's the way it should be."

Fuck you, Lionel.

-- Huk-L (handsomishbo...), May 4th, 2005.

hahahaha! maybe my first real laugh today.

andrew m. (andrewmorgan), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 20:02 (twenty years ago)

She knows there's no success like failure, and failure's no success at all.

*head asplodes*

Cunga (Cunga), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 20:11 (twenty years ago)

My personal favorite:

"You're so vain, you probably think this song is about you."

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 20:12 (twenty years ago)

friend of mine always had trouble with "hot in hurr." when the chick goes "i am getting so hot i wanna take my clothes off." he thought it should be "i wana take off my clothes." i guess his problem was structural rather than logical, but either way, i thought he was being ridiculous.

andrew m. (andrewmorgan), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 20:15 (twenty years ago)

My personal favorite:

"You're so vain, you probably think this song is about you."

-- o. nate (syne_wav...), May 4th, 2005.

i occasionally find myself talking back to this one. "it IS!"

andrew m. (andrewmorgan), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 20:17 (twenty years ago)

This isn't really a logical fallacy, just... DMX being DMX I guess.

"When it rain, niggas get wet; stay dry."

sleep (sleep), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 20:31 (twenty years ago)

Vicki Lawrence, "The Night the Lights Went Out in Georgia."

The line: "And that's one body that'll never be found / Y'see, little sister don't miss when she aims her gun."

The fallacy: What does her marksmanship have to do with her ability to hide a body?

Just wondering.

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Thursday, 5 May 2005 00:22 (twenty years ago)

When it rain, niggas get wet

this is a truism.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Thursday, 5 May 2005 04:47 (twenty years ago)

mind on my money and money on my mind

Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 5 May 2005 05:06 (twenty years ago)

You've got too much time on your hands

Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 5 May 2005 05:06 (twenty years ago)

The way you do the things you do.

Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 5 May 2005 05:07 (twenty years ago)

"Pizza in the morning, pizza in the evening, pizza at suppertime. When pizza's on a bagel, you can eat pizza anytime."

How does that follow? Or, perhaps more accurately, how does the fact of the bagel actually increase the convenience of pizza?

Hurting (Hurting), Thursday, 5 May 2005 06:08 (twenty years ago)

"kinda ironic.. like rain on a wedding day"..

I mean...*gets beaten up by everyone*

donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 5 May 2005 06:15 (twenty years ago)

OK, this isn't logical leaps as much as just plain grammatical WTF..

"He came from somewhere back in her long ago
The sentimental fool don’t see..."

I'd be creeped out if anyone claimed to come from somewhere back in my long ago. Where the fuck is my long ago anyway? Do I WANT to know where my long ago is?

Also, *gawd*, The sentimental fool DOESN'T see.. DOESN'T.. singular conjugation, Michael.

donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 5 May 2005 06:19 (twenty years ago)

Is this the thread where I get to post "No one heard at all, not even the chair" ?

Hurting (Hurting), Thursday, 5 May 2005 06:23 (twenty years ago)

ahh mark that eazy e line also contains the hilarious assertion that if one kicks enough butt, eventually one will kick ass

jake b. (cerybut), Thursday, 5 May 2005 06:52 (twenty years ago)

Also, *gawd*, The sentimental fool DOESN'T see.. DOESN'T.. singular conjugation, Michael.

dude: colloquial english.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Thursday, 5 May 2005 06:59 (twenty years ago)

OK, from "I can't help myself" Orange Juice:

"Nothing worth finding is easily found
Try as one might "


Umm, try as one might?

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 5 May 2005 07:15 (twenty years ago)

"If you judge a book by the cover,
Then you judge the look by the lover"

Umm, that is the right way round. The cover = the lover

i.e. whether they look fanciable/sexy enough for you, rather than How they would love you.

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 5 May 2005 07:28 (twenty years ago)

Also:
My personal favorite:
"You're so vain, you probably think this song is about you."

-- o. nate (syne_wav...), May 4th, 2005.

i occasionally find myself talking back to this one. "it IS!"

-- andrew m. (westernis...) (webmail), May 4th, 2005 9:17 PM. (link)

No it isn't. It's about the singer of the song and how she was 'taken in' by the vain person.

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 5 May 2005 07:29 (twenty years ago)

No, I'm pretty sure cover = look, here.

My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Thursday, 5 May 2005 09:21 (twenty years ago)

What do we do with "In this ever-changing world in which we live in"?

Or "I cannot forget from where it is that I come from"?

Maybe those are more grammatical than logical problems, but still, I think about them more than is healthy.

The Mad Puffin, Thursday, 5 May 2005 12:46 (twenty years ago)

What do we do with "In this ever-changing world in which we live in"?

I think it's actually, "In this ever-changing world in which we're living", which is slightly awkward but not wrong.

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Thursday, 5 May 2005 13:04 (twenty years ago)

What do we do with "In this ever-changing world in which we live in"?

He's actually saying "IF this ever-changing world in which we're livin'/Makes you give in and cry/Say live and let die."

I still have no idea why I was put on earth, but I know for sure that I was put on ILX to correct this mistake (I think it's the third time).

Rick Massimo (Rick Massimo), Thursday, 5 May 2005 13:08 (twenty years ago)

Ha, that is much better!

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Thursday, 5 May 2005 13:16 (twenty years ago)

Please sort this one for me, from "Rocket Man":
Mars ain't the kind of place to raise your kids
In fact it's cold as hell
And there's no one there to raise them
If you did

Now, if you DID raise your kids on Mars, wouldn't YOU be there to raise them?

Ken L (Ken L), Thursday, 5 May 2005 13:21 (twenty years ago)

No, see the problem is that his wife is back on earth and he's too busy trying to figure out the science and stuff to deal with kids. You'd think that if he made it to mars though, he'd at least have access to a nanny-bot or something.

Dennis, Thursday, 5 May 2005 13:46 (twenty years ago)

I posted this on The Decemberists' message board.

Billy Liar's got his hands in his pockets, staring over at the neighbors; knickers down. He's got his knickers down.

If I am correct, knickers means pants. So, if his pants are down, how are his hands in his pockets? Is he in some sort of awkward position where he is squatting so his pants can be around his ankles with his hands in his pockets?

Or, is Billy Liar's neighbor the one who has his knickers down? In that case, his neighbor, as inidicated by the pronoun "he," is male, as is Billy Liar. Is Billy Liar gay?

It seems that the solution to the problem is that the line must be interpretted as a series of sequential events, rather than seeing it as a description of one moment of frozen time.

FIRST, Billy Liar has his hands in his pockets as he stares at the neighbor. The neighbor has his or her knickers down. THEN, Billy Liar proceeds to pull down his own knickers.

That explanation explains the seemingly impossible lines, although I'm not sure if it is correct.

Mickey (modestmickey), Thursday, 5 May 2005 14:04 (twenty years ago)

No, the explanation is that Colin Meloy is a shitty lyricist.

Hurting (Hurting), Thursday, 5 May 2005 14:09 (twenty years ago)

Oh, no, don’t look at me like auntie grizelda
It takes much more to be someone of your own.
You’ve got to make it free from auntie grizelda
Or just like her you’ll have to make it alone.

If you don't leave her, you'll be alone? GET REAL, MONKEES!

Huk-L, Thursday, 5 May 2005 14:23 (twenty years ago)

dude: colloquial english.

from Michael fucking McDonald?

Well, "J'ah 'mo beeeee there" is pretty "street".

(I thought the idea of this thread was to parody stand-up comedians anyway..)

donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 5 May 2005 18:41 (twenty years ago)

ten years pass...

The opening line of Arthur Conley's "Sweet Soul Music" has always bothered me:

Do you like good music?

Isn't the music that you think is good also the sort of music you like, by definition? So framing the question like this makes no sense, because it's not really a question. You can't really answer, "no, I only like bad music!", can you?

Tuomas, Thursday, 24 March 2016 09:34 (ten years ago)

I think it's a p arrogant leading question, like if you say anything other than "Yeah I like soul music" or whatever he'll be all "I said GOOD music".

albvivertine, Thursday, 24 March 2016 11:22 (ten years ago)

Arthur Conley otm

disco Polo (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 24 March 2016 11:23 (ten years ago)

it's not a focus group. he's telling you. if you don't like good music then gtfo

disco Polo (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 24 March 2016 11:24 (ten years ago)

he's gatekeeping before you're allowed into the song to have fun. If you reply to him with a bit of Mr Logic chat then he won't let you in to have fun.

woof, Thursday, 24 March 2016 11:36 (ten years ago)

Oh yeah, yeah yeah

kornrulez6969, Thursday, 24 March 2016 15:36 (ten years ago)

Arthur was talking to Irwin Chusid.

Three Word Username, Thursday, 24 March 2016 15:52 (ten years ago)

ten years pass...

Ingrid Michaelson needs to stop exposing her survivorship bias in my Walmart, viz.

All the broken hearts in the world still beat

some people's hearts have broken so badly that they fucking died! but those poor souls apparently fall outside Ingrid's bailiwick, as they're no longer "in the world" 💔😔

flammarion ross (unregistered), Sunday, 5 April 2026 00:57 (one week ago)


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