A random for the hell of it Modern English thread

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Since oddly enough there doesn't appear to have been one yet. So classic or dud? Please answer beyond That One Song if possible (though certainly it's great).

I ask because I dug out my early nineties reissue of Mesh and Lace today, collecting all their earlier pre-"Melt With You" stuff, more or less -- the original "Gathering Dust" single, etc. -- along with said debut album. I'd be hesitant to call it a great album but it's a surprisingly good one at points for being a total "why aren't we from Manchester and produced by Hannett?" artifact of 1981. Songs like "Black Houses" contribute little to what was already at work but still are enjoyable enough (and the distorted vocal break on that song actually seems kinda prescient!). Original album closer "Dance of Devotion" rivals contemporary Cure, at least at points.

Does have to be said that the notable change in mood and style on After the Snow (my slightly overwrought AMG review here) led to a minor classic, though -- the single version of "I Melt With You" not being on it originally, it's songs like "Life in the Gladhouse" and the title track in particular that are the real winners. A smart, sharp moment that they never got again, and let's pretend the remake of "I Melt With You" in 1990 didn't happen. So weirdly desperate.

Anyway, thoughts?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 19:04 (twenty years ago)

Never heard a song outside the two versions of "Melt With you" (most unwelcome remake of all time?)

Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 19:20 (twenty years ago)

Is it shameful to never have checked out these guys because of the Modern Talking association the name gives me?

Life in Norway is tough whenever a new Modern Talking collection is let loose on the market. The serene moments in between I do my utmost to forget about them, so the similarly-named must too be cast aside.

Øystein (Øystein), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 19:22 (twenty years ago)

To go or not to go?

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 21:25 (twenty years ago)

I saw them live at Six Flags Magic Mountain when I was like 12!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 21:27 (twenty years ago)

i saw weird al there!

charleston charge (chaki), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 21:29 (twenty years ago)

"Melt With You" offends my wife so much that she has to leave the room when it plays. While I'd never call it a favorite of mine either, I can't imagine why it inspires this reaction in her. It's just a perfectly pleasant pop song...perhaps a bit overplayed.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 21:31 (twenty years ago)

I saw them live at Six Flags Magic Mountain when I was like 12!
Whoa, that's just weird to me. If they played "Gathering Dust" that'd be even weirder (and yet fucking brilliant).


I've asked this once before, but -- speaking of theme parks -- is "Rainbow's End" about a theme park of the same name outside of Auckland? I'm not sure if they toured New Zealand or not, but I figured I'd ask.

Ian Riese-Moraine has a grenade, that pineapple's not just a toy! (Eastern Mantr, Wednesday, 4 May 2005 23:13 (twenty years ago)

"Melt With You" offends my wife so much that she has to leave the room when it plays.
"I'll stop the world before I play this song!"

Ian Riese-Moraine has a grenade, that pineapple's not just a toy! (Eastern Mantr, Wednesday, 4 May 2005 23:13 (twenty years ago)

Mesh & Lace is classic!! I love that album. Or as I like to say: My favorite Joy Division revival happened in 1981. It's all i really need of theirs.

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 23:17 (twenty years ago)

http://idealcopy.american-data.net/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/large/MUModernEnglish-MeshAndLace.jpg

I pulled this out about a month ago. It's just proven to be one of those albums I pull out from time to time even if I can't say it's in any way a perfect album and I usually can't remember how the songs go. (It's also one of my all time fave 4AD album covers) Anyway I enjoyed it so much I decided to go ahead and get it on CD like I'd been meaning to do for quite some time. I just like the SOUND of the album - so damn goth, for lack of a better word. I will admit though that I always had a preference for one particular side of the record (the one that starts with Drowning Man). I owned a number of the original 7"es that are added as bonus tracks on the CD, but none of them made a lasting impression.

I bought After The Snow & Ricochet Days in the late 80's sometime, and enjoyed them I suppose. There were a few great songs, but again none of it really "stuck". I do recall one particular b-side though that really stood out. It was called "Ringing In The Change" if I recall correctly (way too tired to look it up right now) and it was from some single off Ricochet Days, perhaps "Chapter 12"?

The Silent Disco of Glastonbury (Bimble...), Thursday, 5 May 2005 03:32 (twenty years ago)

I always had a preference for one particular side of the record (the one that starts with Drowning Man)

Sorry, I meant the side that starts with The Token Man of course. Their first single from 1979 was called Drowning Man.

The Silent Disco of Glastonbury (Bimble...), Thursday, 5 May 2005 03:44 (twenty years ago)

Saying "I Melt with You" is a bit overplayed is like saying Elvis Presley is a bit deceased.

ffirehorse (firehorse), Thursday, 5 May 2005 06:19 (twenty years ago)

I heard "Swans on Glass" on a radio show about 2 years ago, after only knowing "I Melt With You" and "Life in the Gladhouse" (which, to be honest, is pretty damn good). On the basis of that track's glory, picked up the CD reissue of *Mesh & Lace* and it's absolutely one of my favorites. I can't help but think it's both incredibly dated (friends have complained about the fact that it sounds "like weak hairmetal") yet incredibly contemporary.

Tony Bleach, Thursday, 5 May 2005 11:21 (twenty years ago)

What's the Blake Babies song where Juliana quotes "I Melt With You"?

Ken L (Ken L), Thursday, 5 May 2005 11:45 (twenty years ago)

"Train" (offof *Sunburn*)

Tony Bleach, Thursday, 5 May 2005 12:09 (twenty years ago)

Weak hairmetal! Hahahaha...as opposed to strong hairmetal?

The Silent Disco of Glastonbury (Bimble...), Thursday, 5 May 2005 18:59 (twenty years ago)

seven months pass...
I used to have this killer single, "Ink & Paper". I'd love to hear it again someday. A song called "Machines" by M.E. just played on my pandora web radio, and it was very very nice. (and btw, Melt W/ You is a freakin' classique).

Bobby Peru (Bobby Peru), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 06:59 (twenty years ago)

one year passes...
listen to this Swedish band:

The Mary Onettes

http://www.myspace.com/themaryonettes

track: Lost - is rather addictively good but completely rips off the melodies of Modern English - I Melt With You

djmartian, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 17:04 (eighteen years ago)

It sounds a bit like the Church's "The Unguarded Moment" too. That's a really great track though!!

Curt1s Stephens, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 17:13 (eighteen years ago)

one month passes...

I'm listening to After The Snow and Richochet Days now for the first time in...ages. They do seem to me just a little bit better or more valuable than they did at the time. Mesh & Lace is one thing, but to hear these other records...they kindof make me feel like I'm 16 again, and there is some really great stuff here.

Bimble, Sunday, 20 May 2007 18:21 (eighteen years ago)

Machines! I remember this song! I'm dying over here! Wow!

Bimble, Sunday, 20 May 2007 18:32 (eighteen years ago)

yes.
modern english = v. classic
and, certainly much, much more classic than all of the shithead mohawk-guy "punk" bands that ironically cover "i melt with you".
and, certainly, definitely, much, much more classic than all of the shithead tight shirt-wearing indie bands of indie fux0rs that ironically cover "i melt with you".

modern english is just classic. okay? i have to give 'mesh and lace' a listen, soon.

andi, Sunday, 20 May 2007 18:59 (eighteen years ago)

"Ink & Paper" rules!

Curt1s Stephens, Sunday, 20 May 2007 21:59 (eighteen years ago)

recommendations as to where to start? Ned on Allmusic seems to think After the Snow is a pretty quality album. Suggestions?

Gukbe, Sunday, 20 May 2007 22:51 (eighteen years ago)

I'd agree with that reviewer.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 20 May 2007 22:52 (eighteen years ago)

ten months pass...

I pulled out Mesh & Lace tonight. Fantastic stuff.

Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You, Sunday, 6 April 2008 07:08 (seventeen years ago)

Does anyone else know this song called "Home" by them? It was on some obscure compilation or something, I can't remember now what it was on, exactly. Fucking amazing post punk. Fucking amazing.

Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You, Sunday, 6 April 2008 07:19 (seventeen years ago)

two years pass...

I just picked up the new-on-CD release of their 1986 "Stop Start". Wow, did they throw every 80s studio trick into this mix - over-the-top drum sound, fretless bass, etc. It's really not good at all and yet I have a real soft spot for it. Nostalgia, I suppose...

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Monday, 14 June 2010 16:49 (fifteen years ago)

nine years pass...

i dabbled into their two most recent albums this past weekend for the first time since i purchased them around the time of their respective releases. it's not super amazing or anything; but absolutely solid stuff. have always loved the timbre of robbie grey's voice and he somehow sounds more like himself than ever before on these newer records.

soundtrack (2010) is the more "technicolor" of the two; which makes sense seeing as it reunites the band with the mighty hugh jones. take me to the trees has some weird buzzing, very early 80s post-joy division-esque songs, but the presentation is much more humble. the mastering on the vinyl is great — you have to crank it to hear all the nuances, but it's very dynamic and full.

it's just kind of a chuckle how consistent and "hey NOT BAD" these two newer albums are; especially in proportion to how little anyone cares about them anymore. in the immediate post-"melt with you" days, they had more attention than they ever would again and squandered it away on bland MOR 80s boredom. now that no one is watching (quite literally) decades later, here they are again, but doing nice things that will not get them any attention whatsoever.

oh well.

here's a nice thing from soundtrack; v pink floyd-ish: https://open.spotify.com/track/0Xc2XkV6sMIcTuDB8TSbwG

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Tuesday, 3 September 2019 18:19 (six years ago)

two years pass...

I just picked up Ricochet Days in the used rack today, and was thinking it's not half bad (I'm a sucker for meat-and-potatoes synch pop).

Then I got to Blue Waves, which is such a blatant "Melt With You" rewrite, that I'm not sure I can take this album seriously:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97z56S-flko

I guess you can't blame them for trying to ride the crossover success of what turned out to be their one hit.

enochroot, Wednesday, 10 November 2021 01:59 (four years ago)

the best parts of that album make up for the worst parts though.

"machines" has always been a band highlight for me:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czHxDHH3QRc

the beginning of the end of discourse. (Austin), Wednesday, 10 November 2021 16:38 (four years ago)

one year passes...

they are taking time off from their zookeeper jobs and coming to my town. at least i think they were going for that edgy zookeeper vibe that is all the rage these days.

https://scontent-lga3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/354269332_10161282696972137_7608491280852417656_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=4HnH04uGu-wAX_BmmVX&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-2.xx&oh=00_AfC5Z6t4RdnME5wznw7fP93C8wLF7yMt4XBUCeVah9-pOg&oe=6491FD77

scott seward, Saturday, 17 June 2023 19:05 (two years ago)

Wow, do they even let you in the Boy Scouts if you have that many face tats? Maybe that's why they don't have any patches on their uniforms.

enochroot, Saturday, 17 June 2023 21:33 (two years ago)

That guy reminds me of the guy in Papillon, Masked Breton. "You like this? I did too, at the time, but I was drunk."

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Monday, 19 June 2023 21:08 (two years ago)

There's a new CD reissue of Stop Start that came out a few months ago, glad that's back out there!

the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Monday, 19 June 2023 22:56 (two years ago)


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