Classic or Dud: "Bridge Over Troubled Water" (the song)

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I was listening to the Simon & Garfunkel album the other day, and thought this is truly a brilliant song...great vocal performance by Garfunkel, great arrangement (the piano from the guy who was in Bread, the echoing drums a la "The Boxer"). But what do you think?

Also, what are the best/worst covers of the song? Bobby Darin? Clay Aiken? Do any in your opinion top the original?

Joe (Joe), Thursday, 5 May 2005 00:16 (twenty years ago)

Great song and great arrangement. One may argue it is kind of overplayed, but no need to let that detract from the quality of the song.

Overall, "Bookends" was a way better album than "Bridge Over Troubled Water" though.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 5 May 2005 00:19 (twenty years ago)

Classic. You're right about Art Garfunkel's vocal: it's prob'ly the best he ever recorded, so multi-shaded, so purely musical - far more emotive than the slightly nonsensical lyric.

I don't recall ever hearing a cover. None of them could do it justice.

TV's Mr Noodle Vague (noodle vague), Thursday, 5 May 2005 00:24 (twenty years ago)

I've heard a few cover versions. All of them awful.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 5 May 2005 00:26 (twenty years ago)

Two great covers: Aretha Franklin, Elvis Presley.

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Thursday, 5 May 2005 00:27 (twenty years ago)

gorgeous song, even better covers. roberta flack's is wonderful.

tonight is what it means to be young (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 5 May 2005 00:39 (twenty years ago)

The high school choir I was in performed it. I doubt that it was an improvement on the original, though. I don't think I've heard it in at least 10 yrs. Wonderful song. So solid throughout.

jim wentworth (wench), Thursday, 5 May 2005 00:39 (twenty years ago)

Also, what are the best/worst covers of the song?

lesson on how i determined that dave marsh is full of shit -- after he praised aretha's cover of this song to the skies (and took cheap swipes at simon and garfunkel); i listen to aretha's version; i like aretha's version well enough but decide that no, it is NOT better than the original not even close.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 5 May 2005 00:42 (twenty years ago)

there's a johnny cash cover on the american iv album. bit weird. i rate the original very highly. i love the arrangement, it flows really well.

gem (trisk), Thursday, 5 May 2005 00:44 (twenty years ago)

Classic, but it would be better if they left out the "Sail on silver girl" verse.

Austin Still (Austin, Still), Thursday, 5 May 2005 01:24 (twenty years ago)

hell no that's the best part!

tonight is what it means to be young (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 5 May 2005 01:28 (twenty years ago)

If you didn't have the "Sail on silver girl" part, you wouldn't get some people saying the tune is about copping heroin.

Earl Nash (earlnash), Thursday, 5 May 2005 02:01 (twenty years ago)

yeah i'm not crazy about this song but "sail on silver girl" TOTALLY makes it

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 5 May 2005 02:03 (twenty years ago)

Gorgeous song, although I don't like the muddy, overproduced second half; wished they had kept it simpler.
As for covers, I like Jimmy London's reggae take.

Jazzbo (jmcgaw), Thursday, 5 May 2005 10:50 (twenty years ago)

There was quite a good disco cover by Linda Clifford.

As for the original song and original recording: the Righteous Brothers sing "Surf's Up."

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 9 May 2005 07:09 (twenty years ago)

The song is fantastic, the S&G version is pretty much perfect, and it took me about 28 years to realise it. There's an intimacy about the first verse that really only Art can ever get away with.

Rob M (Rob M), Monday, 9 May 2005 09:09 (twenty years ago)

It might have worked better if he'd kept it intimate, instead of going for the big finale.

However the original S&G "BOTW" is one of the select pantheon of hit singles on which one of the named artists does not actually appear (i.e. Paul Simon), in common with Ike and Tina Turner (on "River Deep Mountain High") and Tony Christie featuring Peter Kay.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 9 May 2005 09:13 (twenty years ago)

I despise S & G (prefer Simon solo), and this is one of those perfect, great songs like "Yesterday" that I never want to hear again. I prefer Aretha's version.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 9 May 2005 12:15 (twenty years ago)

It's certainly not my favorite track of theirs, but I love its hoary overwroughtness. I also love the incredibly shrill closing notes, practically capable of making a dog's head explode.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 9 May 2005 12:16 (twenty years ago)

i loathed the song until I heard Aretha's version which I adore. I still can't listen to the S&G without wincing.

H (Heruy), Monday, 9 May 2005 12:29 (twenty years ago)

Jazzbo is OTM as the Jimmy London version is the tits.

dog latin (dog latin), Monday, 9 May 2005 12:39 (twenty years ago)

I've just realised that "BOTW" holds one of my key memories of recent times. Yes, I know I'd heard it for years before ever since my parents bought the album a year after I was born, and I'd heard it millions of times (and most of the time preferred the Andy Williams version which opens the "Can't help falling in love" album, his masterpiece in my opinion, side two, wow... anyway, I digress) and had not really figured it out much. Then in January last year, my wife's mother was diagnosed with terminal cancer and we all basically went into shock for about a week. And during that shock period, to take our minds of things, my wife and I went swimming in our health club where they were playing some CBS compilation, and the two songs that were on it which made us both stop swimming and listen were "If you leave me now" and "Bridge over troubled water". Just having those shocking feelings of someone you love who is going to be taken away from you, mixed with the sentiment of both songs, both echoing around the tiled walls of a swimming pool, had both of us in tears. I'm not sure if my wife understood as much as me, as she'd not really come across either song before, but at that moment "BOTW" clicked into place and now makes perfect sense. I still can't quite get passed my inbuilt hatred of "If you leave me now" though (it goes back to watching the video on TOTP as a young 'un and thinking it was schmaltz).

Sorry, I didn't have to say any of that.

Rob M (Rob M), Monday, 9 May 2005 12:50 (twenty years ago)

Didn't Simon end up stating in recent years that "sail on silver girl" derails the song?

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 9 May 2005 13:12 (twenty years ago)

Garfunkle stole the hook from a negro spritual. That's why 'retha and elvis sung the song, to put some church in it, to "steal it back.

robert lashley, Monday, 9 May 2005 19:03 (twenty years ago)

Elvis did this song very well.

Mark (MarkR), Monday, 9 May 2005 19:05 (twenty years ago)

Dr. M., Simon has disowned a lot of his early songwriting. This is kind of understandable--from his perspective, he's improved a lot since then, so he must feel some need to talk down his old material in order to talk up his later work.

The Mad Puffin (The Mad Puffin), Monday, 9 May 2005 19:58 (twenty years ago)

remind me of the gospel track (which i own, somewhere!) that this song title (and concept) derives from. it's an interjection from claude jeter maybe... "i'll be a bridge over troubled water if you trust in my name...."

ok, going into my memory banks... it's the swan silvertones i think, but which song???

anyway i think the metaphor works better in a religious context than... well what context is the S&G song anyway? is it a love song? a gospel song? some richard thompsonlike ambiguous region in-between?

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 04:13 (twenty years ago)

Might be a good song, but I have no desire to hear it ever.

The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 04:15 (twenty years ago)

ok it's the s.s. record of "mary don't you weep."

say what you want about Paul Simon, but he really knew his american roots music at at time when that was pretty rare esp. among bigtime musicians. and i think, musically at least, he really UNDERSTOOD it too.... his first LP in particular bears this out. a really great relaxed feeling that's not quite the blues nor new orleans nor gospel nor country but an organic fusion of those things with other more modern stuff besides...

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 04:16 (twenty years ago)

ok so my opinion of the S&G record is that it's lovely but i don't love it because i'm not incredibly keen on the vocal. also i don't like the way it was recorded... sounds too murky... in the versions that i know at least. which is funny because didn't roy halee engineer the last S&G LP? he's an excellent engineer.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 04:16 (twenty years ago)

"However the original S&G "BOTW" is one of the select pantheon of hit singles on which one of the named artists does not actually appear (i.e. Paul Simon), in common with Ike and Tina Turner (on "River Deep Mountain High") and Tony Christie featuring Peter Kay."

Sorry to drag this up a week late but something about this bugged me until I realised that surely that's Paul Simon singing harmony during the "Sail on silver girl" verse? Or am I wrong here?

Rob M (Rob M), Monday, 16 May 2005 09:07 (twenty years ago)

Nope, it was Art double-tracking hisself.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 16 May 2005 09:33 (twenty years ago)

Oh, fair enough then.

Rob M (Rob M), Monday, 16 May 2005 09:34 (twenty years ago)

Paul was so pissed off with Art at the time that he refused to come into the studio to participate in the recording of the song. Larry Knechtel plays the piano part.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 16 May 2005 09:35 (twenty years ago)

six years pass...

^ BBC Doc last night had footage of them both in the studio singing the third verse together. Paul also said he wrote it in the studio 'cause Art thought two wasn't enough and it needed to go whooooosh like a plane taking off, or something.

Really not convinced about the third verse tbh. Leap from the concrete to Paul's abstract poetics doesn't do it for me, the extra instrumentation is too much, especially the lurching martial snare, and the production is appallingly muddy.

Still a stone classic tho.

ceci n'est pas un nom d'affichage (ledge), Wednesday, 9 November 2011 10:04 (fourteen years ago)

I never liked it much, but I'd say it needed the last verse, so hey me.

Mark G, Wednesday, 9 November 2011 10:07 (fourteen years ago)

Classic, IMHO. I have a Simon & Garfunkel biography in which it was revealed that the third verse was kinda tacked on in the studio because both producer Roy Halee and Mr. Garfunkel thought it needed "that extra bit", and Paul Simon has gone on record and said that he always thought that it was obvious that it was written afterwards... I guess he would say that though, being the writer and everything. I don't have a problem with it, in fact I'm completely with Mark G here in that it sounds like it needed it.

One thing I always found interesting about this song is that it was Garfunkel's vocal on this song, especially his live performances of it during the Simon & Garfunkel years, that helped break the duo up. I've noticed in a few interviews since that Paul has admitted he was a little jealous of the attention that Garfunkel was getting from this song, and his live renditions of it. Like "yeah, thanks man, that's my song". It's almost like he resented the song being associated with Garfunkel. Personally, I don't think Paul Simon has ever sang this song as well as Garfunkel, even though he is the writer.

I have to add that it isn't my favourite song from that particular Simon & Garfunkel album though... 'The Only Living Boy In New York', with its distant and rich harmonies, wins out for me over this song easily. That doesn't make 'Bridge...' any less of a classic to me, though.

Turrican, Wednesday, 9 November 2011 16:36 (fourteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0obJLcz-uPA

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 9 November 2011 16:55 (fourteen years ago)

That's the bit. Paul's mike!

ceci n'est pas un nom d'affichage (ledge), Wednesday, 9 November 2011 16:56 (fourteen years ago)

lots of interesting details about recording that album - for ex. Cecilia rhythm track is a tape loop of S&G and friends banging on shit in one of their living rooms

The Uncanny Frankie Valley (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 9 November 2011 16:58 (fourteen years ago)

and El Condor Pasa is just Paul singing over a Peruvian folk band's already recorded track

The Uncanny Frankie Valley (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 9 November 2011 16:59 (fourteen years ago)

I always liked the in-joke in the fade of 'So Long, Frank Lloyd Wright' where you hear both Paul and Roy Halee say "so long, Artie".

Turrican, Wednesday, 9 November 2011 17:03 (fourteen years ago)

Or "so long already, Artie", I think it was... going to put that on to listen to...

Turrican, Wednesday, 9 November 2011 17:04 (fourteen years ago)


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