Who pulls it off best without the old chaps and Who never had a chance?
― ZionTrain, Thursday, 5 May 2005 12:47 (twenty-one years ago)
― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 5 May 2005 12:52 (twenty-one years ago)
― Lapdog Shoesnog (kate), Thursday, 5 May 2005 12:52 (twenty-one years ago)
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 5 May 2005 12:58 (twenty-one years ago)
― arch Ibog (arch Ibog), Thursday, 5 May 2005 13:00 (twenty-one years ago)
It helps if they wrote the material and contributed significantly to the playing of it. I mean, Sting's not gonna get up at a Sting concert and play a Stewart Copeland-written song. Does McCartney play "Strawberry Fields" or "Octopus's Garden"? I doubt it.
When the solo artist pretty much IS the band, whether it's Elvis Costello or Dave Matthews, who cares?
But when the song depends as much or more on an absent (but not dead) collaborator, it's less tenable. I recently picked up the Morrissey live CD, and the first track is "How Soon Is Now." WTF?
― The Mad Puffin, Thursday, 5 May 2005 13:01 (twenty-one years ago)
Case in point- McCartney doing "Something" on the last tour as tribute to George Harrison. Intentional or not, it came across as parody more than anything. Utter rubbish.
However, I believe Sting loses from the abscence of Andy Summers' signature sound on the old songs. If the solo artist IS their ex-band, you can easily forget about the other guys, EXCEPT when unmistakable sounds created the brand.
― ZionTrain, Thursday, 5 May 2005 13:10 (twenty-one years ago)
Sometimes the solo person is touring alone for the first time. How much ex-band material they bring out is up for discussion, if they've only got one album.
I'm pretty sure Tilbrook does Squeeze songs live. Colin Meloy plays mostly Decemberists songs (but then he pretty much IS the band). There's a lot of overlap between Jeff Tweedy's solo performances and the Wilco catalogue.
I'm trying to think of people who are really careful NOT to play their ex-band's songs. I saw Chris Robinson a while ago, opening for someone else, and he didn't even mention the Black Crowes.
Morrissey should know better. But who wants to pay a silly amount of money to go see him, and hear no Smiths songs? Not me.
― The Mad Puffin, Thursday, 5 May 2005 13:39 (twenty-one years ago)
― Tripmaker (SDWitzm), Thursday, 5 May 2005 13:42 (twenty-one years ago)
George Harrison used to do "In My Life". It was a bit controversial because at the end, he'd sing "In my life, I love Him more..."
John Fogarty and Levon Helm soooooooo NOT to thread.
― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 5 May 2005 14:33 (twenty-one years ago)
Did Brian Ferry play Roxy Music tunes when he went out solo?
― ZionTrain, Thursday, 5 May 2005 14:46 (twenty-one years ago)
― ZionTrain, Thursday, 5 May 2005 14:47 (twenty-one years ago)
― katie hasty (katie, a princess), Thursday, 5 May 2005 14:48 (twenty-one years ago)
Ditto Gabriel.
Paul Simon is a middle case. He's got enough solo material, but I don't mind him playing S&G songs (it helps that Garfunkel didn't write or play instruments). What I thought especially interesting is that on the various reunion concerts, Garfunkel sings on plenty of solo-Simon songs (including whole verses of "Slip Sliding Away").
― The Mad Puffin (The Mad Puffin), Thursday, 5 May 2005 14:52 (twenty-one years ago)
― The Mad Puffin (The Mad Puffin), Thursday, 5 May 2005 14:53 (twenty-one years ago)
I see no good reason for anyone NOT to play a song if it's in the their discography.
― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 5 May 2005 14:54 (twenty-one years ago)
― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 5 May 2005 14:55 (twenty-one years ago)
― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 5 May 2005 14:57 (twenty-one years ago)
― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 5 May 2005 14:58 (twenty-one years ago)
― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 5 May 2005 15:01 (twenty-one years ago)
― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 5 May 2005 15:01 (twenty-one years ago)
― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 5 May 2005 15:02 (twenty-one years ago)
― latebloomer: But when the monkey die, people gonna cry. (latebloomer), Thursday, 5 May 2005 15:05 (twenty-one years ago)
I think the idea of musicians only playing the new stuff is super lame. No one should be too embarassed to play their best material.
― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 5 May 2005 15:05 (twenty-one years ago)
― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 5 May 2005 15:07 (twenty-one years ago)
Yeah, well, that's a different topic. If Bono went solo and played "Sunday Bloody Sunday" with someone other than the Edge playing the guitar, I think the fabric of the universe might split.
I don't know whether Hindu Love Gods or whatever play REM songs.
― The Mad Puffin (The Mad Puffin), Thursday, 5 May 2005 16:15 (twenty-one years ago)
― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 5 May 2005 16:22 (twenty-one years ago)
― Douglas (Douglas), Thursday, 5 May 2005 16:48 (twenty-one years ago)
― Bryan Moore (Bryan Moore), Thursday, 5 May 2005 17:16 (twenty-one years ago)
― The Mad Puffin (The Mad Puffin), Thursday, 5 May 2005 17:27 (twenty-one years ago)
I thought it was a terrible idea when they first started this back in 2001 or so, but now I'm like, fuck it, they wrote those songs, they might as well do them, I'd rather hear them do them than some other band do a crappy cover. Also, they play them really, really, really well.
― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 5 May 2005 17:53 (twenty-one years ago)
― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 5 May 2005 18:01 (twenty-one years ago)
Quite another when--like Johnny Marr--they're quite alive.
What about Roger Waters? Does he play "Money" live?
― The Mad Puffin (The Mad Puffin), Thursday, 5 May 2005 18:05 (twenty-one years ago)
― ZionTrain, Thursday, 5 May 2005 18:12 (twenty-one years ago)
But I think it's an overstatement to say that Waters "wrote most of" "the entire Floyd catalog."
― The Mad Puffin (The Mad Puffin), Thursday, 5 May 2005 18:19 (twenty-one years ago)
1998.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 5 May 2005 18:23 (twenty-one years ago)
In the late 90s, the two songwriter chicks parted ways very bitterly. One of them, Nina Gordon, went on to put out a solo record, the other, Louise Post, kept the name Veruca Salt and formed an entirely new band behind the name. Veruca Salt then put out a record consisting of a few songs attacking Nina Gordon.
And this new version of Veruca Salt continued to play the old Veruca Salt hits, pretty much all of which were written by Nina Gordon (again, no longer in the band and hated by Ms. Post).
― the Godzilla of Pop, Thursday, 5 May 2005 18:27 (twenty-one years ago)
― ZionTrain, Thursday, 5 May 2005 18:30 (twenty-one years ago)
― ZionTrain, Thursday, 5 May 2005 18:35 (twenty-one years ago)
― earinfections (Nick Twisp), Thursday, 5 May 2005 18:52 (twenty-one years ago)
― donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 5 May 2005 21:28 (twenty-one years ago)
― Steve Gertz (sgertz), Thursday, 5 May 2005 23:41 (twenty-one years ago)
― Curious George (Bat Chain Puller) (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 5 May 2005 23:51 (twenty-one years ago)
― Mace, Friday, 6 May 2005 00:51 (twenty-one years ago)
Andy Taylor did some Duran covers when he was doing gigs outside the band, too. But he had fewer solo songs to fall back on, so I would imagine these WOULD probably have been out of necessity rather than by choice.
― Goodbye Indian Summer (Dee the Lurker), Friday, 6 May 2005 00:56 (twenty-one years ago)
Levon, Garth, and a couple of ghosts would really take umbrage at the last part of your sentence, Rock.
Yeah, I know what ASCAP says. It also says that Paul McCartney co-wrote "Give Peace A Chance".
― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 6 May 2005 03:53 (twenty-one years ago)
As for the McCartney/Harrison thing: I understand that during George Harrison's '74 tour he not only took to covering Lennon's "In My Life" but even CHANGED THE FUCKING LYRICS to make it religious! ("In my life/I love G-d more.")
And this is kinda weird and amusing: Burton Cummings covering Bachman-Turner Overdrive's "You Ain't Seen Nothing Yet", Cummings and Randy Bachman both being ex-Guess Who bandmates, and far from being friends. Has anyone else ever done this, ie. cover a song from a former bandmate's post-band career?
― Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Friday, 6 May 2005 05:41 (twenty-one years ago)
The lyric was "...I love Him more", as I mentioned in the tenth post of this thread.
― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 6 May 2005 15:19 (twenty-one years ago)
― Mike Dixn (Mike Dixon), Friday, 6 May 2005 15:54 (twenty-one years ago)
All this Eagle talk on those other threads have been bringing back some odd memories for me lately.
― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 6 May 2005 15:57 (twenty-one years ago)
― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Friday, 6 May 2005 16:03 (twenty-one years ago)
-- Pleasant Plains /// (pleasant.plain...), May 5th, 2005
Oh screw that. Fogarty >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Creedance Clearwater Revisted.
― Oh fuck pencils, Friday, 6 May 2005 18:21 (twenty-one years ago)
Helm, who makes a pretty credible claim that he co-wrote many of The Band's songs that Robbie Robertson takes sole credit for, also refuses to play any of his ex-band's songs.
― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 6 May 2005 18:32 (twenty-one years ago)
― Mike Dixn (Mike Dixon), Friday, 6 May 2005 18:47 (twenty-one years ago)
Playing some old hits live, because his fans want to hear them, I see nothing wrong about. For instance, when Paul McCartney is touring, a lot of his audience consists of 55 year-old women who have come to hear "Yesterday" and "Michelle", and why should he not give them what they want?He usually just plays his own compositions though, no Lennon or Harrison ones.
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 6 May 2005 18:58 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ken L (Ken L), Friday, 6 May 2005 19:01 (twenty-one years ago)
― ZionTrain, Friday, 6 May 2005 19:05 (twenty-one years ago)
See also Oasis...(if you count the Gallaghers as a single entity).
I've seen both Ian Brown and John Squire doing Stone Roses stuff. Both dud (though Squire less dud than Brown).
― ailsa (ailsa), Friday, 6 May 2005 19:14 (twenty-one years ago)
― jonviachicago, Friday, 6 May 2005 19:17 (twenty-one years ago)
I wish he'd played more Soul Coughing stuff the other night -- the newest songs are horrifically reminiscent of Dave Matthews.
― j.lu (j.lu), Friday, 6 May 2005 19:18 (twenty-one years ago)
― ZionTrain, Friday, 6 May 2005 19:25 (twenty-one years ago)
The American Hifi guy
― billstevejim (billstevejim), Friday, 6 May 2005 19:37 (twenty-one years ago)