Solo Artists Playing Their Ex-Band's Songs

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From Sting to McCartney to Ozzy... and on and on..

Who pulls it off best without the old chaps and Who never had a chance?

ZionTrain, Thursday, 5 May 2005 12:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Neil MacArthur, She's not there.

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 5 May 2005 12:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Mark Gardener reinterpreting Ride songs as country ballads is a bit odd, but still somehow hauntingly lovely. Makes you realise what a good songwriter he was under all that noise.

Lapdog Shoesnog (kate), Thursday, 5 May 2005 12:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Dud. Worse, though, is solo artists assembling a brand new band....calling that band by the name of the former band...and touring (hello Miles Hunt's new Wonder Stuff).

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 5 May 2005 12:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Frank Black (and the Catholics) played some Pixies songs quite well. Plus, the tickets were cheaper, there wasn't much of a crowd, and his newer songs weren't bad, either.

arch Ibog (arch Ibog), Thursday, 5 May 2005 13:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, it depends on how much contribution they made to the song when in the band. And how much solo material they have to draw from.

It helps if they wrote the material and contributed significantly to the playing of it. I mean, Sting's not gonna get up at a Sting concert and play a Stewart Copeland-written song. Does McCartney play "Strawberry Fields" or "Octopus's Garden"? I doubt it.

When the solo artist pretty much IS the band, whether it's Elvis Costello or Dave Matthews, who cares?

But when the song depends as much or more on an absent (but not dead) collaborator, it's less tenable. I recently picked up the Morrissey live CD, and the first track is "How Soon Is Now." WTF?

The Mad Puffin, Thursday, 5 May 2005 13:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Well put, Mad Puffin.

Case in point- McCartney doing "Something" on the last tour as tribute to George Harrison. Intentional or not, it came across as parody more than anything. Utter rubbish.

However, I believe Sting loses from the abscence of Andy Summers' signature sound on the old songs. If the solo artist IS their ex-band, you can easily forget about the other guys, EXCEPT when unmistakable sounds created the brand.


ZionTrain, Thursday, 5 May 2005 13:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Just to add to the point about "how much solo material does the artist have to draw from"--I guess it also matters how good the material is. I can pretty much do without most solo McCartney. I wouldn't want to go to see him and hear nothing but Wings material. Sting OTOH could play for two hours without playing a Police song, and I doubt his audience would notice.

Sometimes the solo person is touring alone for the first time. How much ex-band material they bring out is up for discussion, if they've only got one album.

I'm pretty sure Tilbrook does Squeeze songs live. Colin Meloy plays mostly Decemberists songs (but then he pretty much IS the band). There's a lot of overlap between Jeff Tweedy's solo performances and the Wilco catalogue.

I'm trying to think of people who are really careful NOT to play their ex-band's songs. I saw Chris Robinson a while ago, opening for someone else, and he didn't even mention the Black Crowes.

Morrissey should know better. But who wants to pay a silly amount of money to go see him, and hear no Smiths songs? Not me.

The Mad Puffin, Thursday, 5 May 2005 13:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Sonic Boom playing Spacemen 3 songs is DUD.

Tripmaker (SDWitzm), Thursday, 5 May 2005 13:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Does McCartney play "Strawberry Fields" or "Octopus's Garden"? I doubt it.

George Harrison used to do "In My Life". It was a bit controversial because at the end, he'd sing "In my life, I love Him more..."

John Fogarty and Levon Helm soooooooo NOT to thread.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 5 May 2005 14:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Colin Hay solo could play Men At Work songs till he drops.
Belinda Carlisle solo playing GoGos stuff- DUD

Did Brian Ferry play Roxy Music tunes when he went out solo?

ZionTrain, Thursday, 5 May 2005 14:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Add Phil Collins to the list of artists who turns their back to the "band material" when going solo.

ZionTrain, Thursday, 5 May 2005 14:47 (twenty-one years ago)

i love when mike doughty plays "janine."

katie hasty (katie, a princess), Thursday, 5 May 2005 14:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, but he's got enough solo material to pull it off (leaving aside that much of this solo material is teh shite).

Ditto Gabriel.

Paul Simon is a middle case. He's got enough solo material, but I don't mind him playing S&G songs (it helps that Garfunkel didn't write or play instruments). What I thought especially interesting is that on the various reunion concerts, Garfunkel sings on plenty of solo-Simon songs (including whole verses of "Slip Sliding Away").

The Mad Puffin (The Mad Puffin), Thursday, 5 May 2005 14:52 (twenty-one years ago)

whoops, the "yeah" was for collins

The Mad Puffin (The Mad Puffin), Thursday, 5 May 2005 14:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Glenn Tilbrook performs mostly Squeeze songs live, actually.

I see no good reason for anyone NOT to play a song if it's in the their discography.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 5 May 2005 14:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Paul McCartney played "Something" on every show of his last tour as a tribute to George Harrison.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 5 May 2005 14:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Stephen Malkmus rarely plays Pavement songs these days unless it's a speial show, but I think he's going to come around to playing them more often before too long.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 5 May 2005 14:57 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah they all break down eventually

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 5 May 2005 14:58 (twenty-one years ago)

moe tucker plays velvets songs at her shows and it's always great, she'll play them in the midst of some bo diddley songs for some "do you SEE???".

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 5 May 2005 15:01 (twenty-one years ago)

I've seen Grant Lee Phillips play shows that were at least 85% Grant Lee Buffalo material, but he's maybe more like the Elvis Costello and Dave Matthews example.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 5 May 2005 15:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Velvet Revolver is an interesting example because they do both Guns N Roses and Stone Temple Pilots songs when they tour.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 5 May 2005 15:02 (twenty-one years ago)

i loathe imagining what audioslave do.

latebloomer: But when the monkey die, people gonna cry. (latebloomer), Thursday, 5 May 2005 15:05 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't know, wouldn't you rather see a famous artist play their hits rather than a set made up of only late period stuff that you're not that into?

I think the idea of musicians only playing the new stuff is super lame. No one should be too embarassed to play their best material.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 5 May 2005 15:05 (twenty-one years ago)

R.E.M. and U2 handle it well - they do about 6 or 7 new songs and 15-20 oldies representing more or less their entire catalog. That's totally fair to the audience and the artist. It's sad when people only do two or three new songs, it seems like they have no faith in the new material.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 5 May 2005 15:07 (twenty-one years ago)

R.E.M. and U2 handle it well - they do about 6 or 7 new songs and 15-20 oldies representing more or less their entire catalog. That's totally fair to the audience and the artist. It's sad when people only do two or three new songs, it seems like they have no faith in the new material.

Yeah, well, that's a different topic. If Bono went solo and played "Sunday Bloody Sunday" with someone other than the Edge playing the guitar, I think the fabric of the universe might split.

I don't know whether Hindu Love Gods or whatever play REM songs.

The Mad Puffin (The Mad Puffin), Thursday, 5 May 2005 16:15 (twenty-one years ago)

stipe sang "driver 8" solo sorta at this benefit a few years back. he did a really over the top doowop sorta version of "every breath you take" with vic chesnutt too.

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 5 May 2005 16:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Dylan played the Traveling Wilburys' "Congratulations" a couple of times. No "Tweeter and the Monkey Man" though.

Douglas (Douglas), Thursday, 5 May 2005 16:48 (twenty-one years ago)

David Byrne does a lot of former Talking Heads tunes pretty well...

Bryan Moore (Bryan Moore), Thursday, 5 May 2005 17:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, he has to--there's almost no good David Byrne solo material AFAIK.

The Mad Puffin (The Mad Puffin), Thursday, 5 May 2005 17:27 (twenty-one years ago)

so....how do we all feel about new order doing joy division songs, again?

I thought it was a terrible idea when they first started this back in 2001 or so, but now I'm like, fuck it, they wrote those songs, they might as well do them, I'd rather hear them do them than some other band do a crappy cover. Also, they play them really, really, really well.

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 5 May 2005 17:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Stan Ridgway does the occasional Wall Of Voodoo song quite well. "Mexican Radio" is obligatory, but "Lost Weekend" and "The Passenger" show up every so often.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 5 May 2005 18:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Kyle, when the missing person is dead, that's one thing.

Quite another when--like Johnny Marr--they're quite alive.

What about Roger Waters? Does he play "Money" live?

The Mad Puffin (The Mad Puffin), Thursday, 5 May 2005 18:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Waters plays basically the entire Floyd catalog when he goes out on his own. He wrote most of it and rightly should perform it, however, hearing 'The Wall' cuts without Gilmour's undeniable fender wails is just sordid to me.

ZionTrain, Thursday, 5 May 2005 18:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I agree that Waters should perform the songs he wrote and sang. And I don't like the idea of a Watersless Floyd playing a lot of material that's strongly associated with Waters.

But I think it's an overstatement to say that Waters "wrote most of" "the entire Floyd catalog."

The Mad Puffin (The Mad Puffin), Thursday, 5 May 2005 18:19 (twenty-one years ago)

back in 2001

1998.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 5 May 2005 18:23 (twenty-one years ago)

One of the funnier twists on this concept is the band Veruca Salt.

In the late 90s, the two songwriter chicks parted ways very bitterly. One of them, Nina Gordon, went on to put out a solo record, the other, Louise Post, kept the name Veruca Salt and formed an entirely new band behind the name. Veruca Salt then put out a record consisting of a few songs attacking Nina Gordon.

And this new version of Veruca Salt continued to play the old Veruca Salt hits, pretty much all of which were written by Nina Gordon (again, no longer in the band and hated by Ms. Post).

the Godzilla of Pop, Thursday, 5 May 2005 18:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Waters probably wrote 75% of Pink Floyd's material (post-Syd Barrett)

ZionTrain, Thursday, 5 May 2005 18:30 (twenty-one years ago)

That Veruca Salt debacle is surely one for the footnotes of grunge history. Louise then gained 100 pounds, Nina became Aimee Mann and the drummer who banged 'em both walked away with a clear conscience.

ZionTrain, Thursday, 5 May 2005 18:35 (twenty-one years ago)

see Ben Folds - "Ben Folds Live" album

earinfections (Nick Twisp), Thursday, 5 May 2005 18:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Why don't all these bands just play songs by The Ex, kiss, and make-up?

donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 5 May 2005 21:28 (twenty-one years ago)

"Sonic Boom playing Spacemen 3 songs is DUD." - Well, Kember pretty much sticks to the songs he wrote (or Red Krayola, Mudhoney, etc.) & J. Spaceman (though I've got much love for the Spiritualized) is the one who keeps cranking out these inferior versions of S3 tracks on his albums. The worst offender is obviously that horribly cloying version of "Lord Can You Hear Me" on LICD.

Steve Gertz (sgertz), Thursday, 5 May 2005 23:41 (twenty-one years ago)

From what I've heard of Robbie Robertson's voice, dud on him doing The Band's songs, even though he wrote most of them.

Curious George (Bat Chain Puller) (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 5 May 2005 23:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I saw Westerberg in Philly last Saturday and he played about 10 'Mats songs and they sounded great. The band he's out with (dubbed "His Only Friends") were good and even seemed to have a good grip on some of the rarities (Beer For Breakfast was played by request.)

Mace, Friday, 6 May 2005 00:51 (twenty-one years ago)

John Taylor (Duran Duran) did a LOT of solo material stuff while he was on tour as himself and as a member of the briefly-existing Terroristen outfit. As is to be expected -- he released several solo albums from 1996 - 2000. He also did quite a number of Duran songs as well, including "Hold Back the Rain", "Planet Earth", and "The Reflex". Also to be expected. He DID rework the Duran songs, though, so that they didn't sound EXACTLY like the originals.

Andy Taylor did some Duran covers when he was doing gigs outside the band, too. But he had fewer solo songs to fall back on, so I would imagine these WOULD probably have been out of necessity rather than by choice.

Goodbye Indian Summer (Dee the Lurker), Friday, 6 May 2005 00:56 (twenty-one years ago)

From what I've heard of Robbie Robertson's voice, dud on him doing The Band's songs, even though he wrote most of them.

Levon, Garth, and a couple of ghosts would really take umbrage at the last part of your sentence, Rock.

Yeah, I know what ASCAP says. It also says that Paul McCartney co-wrote "Give Peace A Chance".

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 6 May 2005 03:53 (twenty-one years ago)

It's not my place to say whether this practice is right or wrong. But I think it only makes sense if it's the SINGER with the solo career in question, otherwise it sounds weird. I always thought it was humourous how Ozzy Osbourne managed to release the live Speak Of The Devil (entirely Sabbath material), just shortly before Sabbath's own live double with most of the same songs, thereby sandbagging them and outselling them. (Which is only fair, Ozzy's being the better of the two.)

As for the McCartney/Harrison thing: I understand that during George Harrison's '74 tour he not only took to covering Lennon's "In My Life" but even CHANGED THE FUCKING LYRICS to make it religious! ("In my life/I love G-d more.")

And this is kinda weird and amusing: Burton Cummings covering Bachman-Turner Overdrive's "You Ain't Seen Nothing Yet", Cummings and Randy Bachman both being ex-Guess Who bandmates, and far from being friends. Has anyone else ever done this, ie. cover a song from a former bandmate's post-band career?

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Friday, 6 May 2005 05:41 (twenty-one years ago)

As for the McCartney/Harrison thing: I understand that during George Harrison's '74 tour he not only took to covering Lennon's "In My Life" but even CHANGED THE FUCKING LYRICS to make it religious! ("In my life/I love G-d more.")

The lyric was "...I love Him more", as I mentioned in the tenth post of this thread.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 6 May 2005 15:19 (twenty-one years ago)

i loathe imagining what audioslave do.
I heard this too. They are playing some Soundgarden and RATM live now.
And if I'm not mistaken, they said when they formed (what, two years ago?) that they would never, ever, not in a million years, do this.


Mike Dixn (Mike Dixon), Friday, 6 May 2005 15:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I saw Glen Frey sing "Desparado" on "Late Night with David Letterman" about a thousand years ago.

All this Eagle talk on those other threads have been bringing back some odd memories for me lately.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 6 May 2005 15:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Eric Bachmann pulls out the occasional Archers of Loaf song at his Crooked Fingers shows now, although the arrangements are drastically different.

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Friday, 6 May 2005 16:03 (twenty-one years ago)

John Fogarty and Levon Helm soooooooo NOT to thread.

-- Pleasant Plains /// (pleasant.plain...), May 5th, 2005

Oh screw that. Fogarty >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Creedance Clearwater Revisted.

Oh fuck pencils, Friday, 6 May 2005 18:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Fogarty, up until recently, wouldn't play CCR songs because the royalty payments still went to Fantasy.

Helm, who makes a pretty credible claim that he co-wrote many of The Band's songs that Robbie Robertson takes sole credit for, also refuses to play any of his ex-band's songs.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 6 May 2005 18:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Fogerty (with an e)

Mike Dixn (Mike Dixon), Friday, 6 May 2005 18:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Re-recording their ex-band's old hits is clearly dud, and there is no forgiving such a crime agains the original.

Playing some old hits live, because his fans want to hear them, I see nothing wrong about. For instance, when Paul McCartney is touring, a lot of his audience consists of 55 year-old women who have come to hear "Yesterday" and "Michelle", and why should he not give them what they want?
He usually just plays his own compositions though, no Lennon or Harrison ones.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 6 May 2005 18:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Louise then gained 100 pounds, Nina became Aimee Mann and the drummer
Jim Shapiro was Nina's brother. Was there another drummer after him, or are you suggesting something even more nefarious?

Ken L (Ken L), Friday, 6 May 2005 19:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Stacey Jones

ZionTrain, Friday, 6 May 2005 19:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Dud. Worse, though, is solo artists assembling a brand new band....calling that band by the name of the former band...and touring (hello Miles Hunt's new Wonder Stuff).

See also Oasis...(if you count the Gallaghers as a single entity).

I've seen both Ian Brown and John Squire doing Stone Roses stuff. Both dud (though Squire less dud than Brown).

ailsa (ailsa), Friday, 6 May 2005 19:14 (twenty-one years ago)

i always heard that the "drummer" in question who broke up Veruca Salt was Dave Grohl, by sleeping with both of them at the same time. (well, not the exact same time - dude was lucky, but not THAT lucky)

jonviachicago, Friday, 6 May 2005 19:17 (twenty-one years ago)

i love when mike doughty plays "janine."

I wish he'd played more Soul Coughing stuff the other night -- the newest songs are horrifically reminiscent of Dave Matthews.

j.lu (j.lu), Friday, 6 May 2005 19:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I know Dave Grohl and Louise Post had something going for a while, he mentioned it on Howard Stern. However, I did hear that Stacey was poopin where he ate.. but who the hell knows.. or cares anymore.

ZionTrain, Friday, 6 May 2005 19:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Stacey Jones

The American Hifi guy

billstevejim (billstevejim), Friday, 6 May 2005 19:37 (twenty-one years ago)


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