Taking Sides: Todd Rundgren vs. Mark E Smith

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Mean streets of the Lower East Side = (Birmingham School of Business School (Dean: R. Wood) = Langley Virginia) = (Gotti v. Giuliani/ Liddy v. Agee)? Except Liddy was in the FBI, imagine the tableau, somebody burning themselves with a candle sitting across from Hoover in his fishnets, saying "They were watching goddamned WATERFALLS in there. Waterfalls!" "Relax Gord. One day they WILL put a statue of him up in Milbrook. This rat salad is rather good!"

― dave q, Saturday, 26 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Roy Wood is laughing at us.

― dave q, Saturday, 26 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

"But Agee blew alot of agents' covers and as a result they were killed in the field!" Now we're into an ethical minefield, i.e., should they've been there in the first place? But even if not, was PA in a morally sound position to expose other agents to danger and certain death? Maybe they were expendable agents anyway and his book was bankrolled by the Agency! Ever since Leary's FBI connections were revealed it's impossible to say who was working for whom! Was Jack Anderson working for CREEP? And just WHO the FUCK was working with COINTELPRO? That would blow the whole social history of everything pop and beyond wide open!

― dave q, Saturday, 26 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Queerly I am listening to "I Am Kurious Oranj" at the moment. Therefore, IT WAS THE FAULT OF THE GOVERNMENT-UH!

― Marcello Carlin, Saturday, 26 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

everyone heard the hum at three am!

― mark l. sinkus, Saturday, 26 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

And I just got some Fall CDRs the other day, ergo Mark E. carries the day.

― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 26 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Rock records, rock records: check they guy's track record-uh. Smith.

― John Darnielle, Saturday, 26 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Don't understand any of these answers. Todd is wonderful. Mark E is dreadful. Thus Todd wins.

― harvey williams, Saturday, 26 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I think Todd Rundgren is overrated, so I would say: Todd Rundgren.

― DeRayMi, Saturday, 26 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Production of other artists worth hearing:
Mark E: production-uh?
Rundgren: TOPH, XTC, Cheap Trick, Badfinger, Patti Smith, The Tubes...
Advantage: Rundgren

Punk connections:
Mark E: punk punk baby
Rundgren: wife hung out with the punks
Advantage: Mark E

Followers, according to allmusic.com:
Smith: Andrew Eldritch, cEvin Key
Rundgren: Ric Ocasek, Matthew Sweet, Ben Folds...
Advantage: Rundgren. Barely.

Sports anthems:
Smith: none.
Rundgren: "Bang on the Drum all Day
Advantage: Mark-uh E

Number of artist releases:
Smith: 6 zillion.
Rundgren: 6 zillion
Advantage: unclear

TIEBREAKER: Records in my collection:
Fall: 3, Rundgren/Utopia: 0
Overall Advantage: Smith

― Sean Carruthers, Saturday, 26 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

dave q., speed will turn you into mark e. smith!

― duane, Saturday, 26 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I'd love to hear what would result if the two worked together. Not necessarily the final record, but the, um "studio chatter".

― Brian MacDonald, Saturday, 26 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Victory goes to Mark Smith, Virtoria was his queen.

― Mr Noodles, Saturday, 26 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Well, speaking as Mark Smith-ah, I would have to say Todd-ah.

― mms, Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

two months pass...

IThe Fall are a part of my soul and have been since 1979 when I first heard Live at the witch trials. I am still addicted, recently having bought 'Are you are missing winner? My MES collection has burgeoned over 85 separate items compared to the dozen or Todd projects.

The one common thread between the both is that over the years, I have travelled one to see each artist perform and due to wicked events completely out of my control....neither arrived to play.

So wehn it comes to MES vs, Todd, MES wins hands down, but Todd is a very close second.

"hello it's me you seething mass of hex enducted northern crap rap slag!"

― Steve, Thursday, 4 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

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