Boredoms "Vision Creation Newsun" is basically a Phish jam

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Discuss.

Or disgust.

I think it's pretty true. Check out the Siket disc, the tower jam, the second disc of LivePhish #4 and many others, but there's your start.

― Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 2 June 2005 01:51 (twenty years ago)

I roll a 12 and cast a spell to dissolve your 10 foot poles.

― Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 2 June 2005 01:59 (twenty years ago)

if i buy a phish disc and you are wrong i will be very disappointed

― mullygrubbr (bulbs), Thursday, 2 June 2005 02:03 (twenty years ago)

Phish should experiment with trance, drum n bass, krautrock and proto-punk more.

They've got the "psychedelic" part down though, I guess.

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Thursday, 2 June 2005 02:06 (twenty years ago)

You can't just buy ANY Phish disc.

Phish does this as sort of "hey, crowd, you are on acid" filler and only once did they officially release a disc that was a big jam (Siket Disc).

So, definitley don't buy a phish disc. I guess you sort of have to be "in the know" to know which shows to download, but I'm telling you, Boredoms got nothing on Phish or Umphrey's McGee, too.

Well, they got a little something, I guess. Boredoms are cool in their own way. It's like this: Boredoms really tweaked VCN with studio gadgetry, etc. Phish just jams and does shit like that spontaneously live. They don't go back and edit it into one big piece of art.

― Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 2 June 2005 02:08 (twenty years ago)

mully, don't do it

― [that bastard] jaxon (jaxon), Thursday, 2 June 2005 02:10 (twenty years ago)

Live Phish #4 = trance
Umphrey's McGee does more of the trance & drum + bass sound...

but they both explode into death noise occasionally, which I associate with Kraut Rock. Phish has some ear-blistering noise at times and they can get more "rocking" than one might expect. The problem most people have is that they don't do it seriously, but just as another interesting sound and they might go right back into a little piano-driven driving ditty immediately after.

― Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 2 June 2005 02:11 (twenty years ago)

If you know anyone who has the IT DVD, check out Disc 2. The whole thing. It is fucking AMAZING-- lots of jams just like VCN right in the middle of songs. COol light effects, too, so you can turn off all the lights in the house and crank the TV on acid or pot or something and really be satisfied. Very cool cinematography and GREAT jams!

― Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 2 June 2005 02:13 (twenty years ago)

HA! I swear to god, I'm listening to VCN right now and I'm on...track 8 at 6:20 minute mark and I seriously thought I was listening to Phish. I have only had 4 beers. I guess with all the Phish talk, I just started thinking about Phish and it sounded enough like Phish to confuse me.

― Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 2 June 2005 02:17 (twenty years ago)

drink some water.

― latebloomer: Pain Don't Hurt (latebloomer), Thursday, 2 June 2005 02:23 (twenty years ago)

I am not high, nor am I on any drug. Unless you call Corona Extra a drug, which it is. But, believe me now and hear me later... I'm right, etc.

― Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 2 June 2005 02:38 (twenty years ago)

once again... I don't know what I'm listening to. It sounds like Praxis. Hold on and let me check. ... It is Fantomas "Suspended Animation."

― Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 2 June 2005 02:40 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, Boredoms suck except for Super AE and Chocolate Synthesizer. I'm sorry, but all you haters got to ... well, nothing really. To each his own.

― Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 2 June 2005 02:48 (twenty years ago)

which is the live phish tape where they're improvising to a clip of beavis and butthead that's being played over the stadium PA?

― vahid (vahid), Thursday, 2 June 2005 02:54 (twenty years ago)

dunno, not that in the know I guess.

― Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 2 June 2005 02:55 (twenty years ago)

Boredoms (& Jimmy Buffet!) on Phish tribute album

― Mike Dixn (Mike Dixon), Thursday, 2 June 2005 02:56 (twenty years ago)

So Praxis sounds like Fantomas "Suspended Animation," which sounds like Boredoms' VCN, which sounds like Phish, only worse.

― sleep (sleep), Thursday, 2 June 2005 02:57 (twenty years ago)

NO, Praxis is okay, Fantomas' "Suspended Animation" is quite great and Phish has a catalog of amazingness you can't deny, but VisionCreationNewsun is just "whatever, I've heard that shit before."

― Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 2 June 2005 03:00 (twenty years ago)

OR WAIT-- yeah, you're right. :-)

― Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 2 June 2005 03:02 (twenty years ago)

"They've got the "psychedelic" part down though, I guess."

um, no.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 2 June 2005 03:05 (twenty years ago)

You know what's really great about Phish? They have ONE drummer who is like a fucking alien machine-- he can play the weirdest most perfect anything-- yet he is a humorous moron who plays the vacuum cleaner and sings out of key. And they have the most amazing guitarist, who can create any tone at the drop of a hat -- he's not the best singer, but he has passion. And they have this bass player who can pull the most amazing shit out of his geeky ass that is absolutely shocking, let alone lyrics that are about as unfriendly as you could imagine a hippy singing. And a pianist that truly listens to everyone else. And everyone else listens to each other. And they jam on a silly little psychich vibe they created years ago in college intentionally. That's why they can play in unison spontaneously.

― Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 2 June 2005 03:07 (twenty years ago)

Scott = not familiar enough with Phish, but probably will contest that to no end, but is not fooling people like me who know he is not familiar enough with Phish and if he drags out all these "proofs" and "qualifiers" we will think he is lying even more desperately and pathetically and we will tell him to go back to what he knows best, which is anything but Phish.

― Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 2 June 2005 03:09 (twenty years ago)

must...release...inner...monologue...

― Reggie, Thursday, 2 June 2005 03:14 (twenty years ago)

please do

― Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 2 June 2005 03:16 (twenty years ago)

I don't see it...Phish is mostly irritating to me (but I love the "Junta" album). although parts of Super AE always make me think of Fleetwood Mac ( which makes me like it even more!). I'm dreading listening to VCN again now. I'm terrified it's true.

― django (django), Thursday, 2 June 2005 03:18 (twenty years ago)

Phish is geeky enough to be annoying, but to people who aren't afraid of geeking out, it's the most freeing, awesome trip to geek out to.

― Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 2 June 2005 03:21 (twenty years ago)

it's not, django, not remotely. axilla part ii isn't a bad song, though.

― beta ray bill, Thursday, 2 June 2005 03:22 (twenty years ago)

Axilla II is cool, but it's really jack shit in the overall scheme of Phish. I'm listening to pscychedelic garage 60s dudes at the moment (Leaves, Bonniwell Music Machine, Seeds, Electric Prunes, etc. in a 4 disc set I'm making for my gal's dad) and I realize Phish just fuckin' rules. They are aware of practically everything I feel is an important musical achievement in the last 40 years. They do it all over again (not original, necessarily) in homage to the music that's been discovered, with their own twist. They really love music and they really love honest performances.

― Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 2 June 2005 03:27 (twenty years ago)

beta ray bill: what's not it?

They really love music and they really love honest performances.

Yeah. I've listened to Phish off and on since Junta. I'm usually impressed...but almost always bored. My attention always wanders with them. Not so with boredoms.

― django (django), Thursday, 2 June 2005 03:51 (twenty years ago)

thwy are more boring than the boredoms for sure because they'll fuckin' take an hour if they feel like it to get to where they want to get... but that's live. Boredoms edit that shit into an album.

― Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 2 June 2005 03:53 (twenty years ago)

Can didn't need no hour to get where they wanted to get!

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 2 June 2005 04:07 (twenty years ago)

no one told me aaron was back!

― charltonlido (gareth), Thursday, 2 June 2005 04:28 (twenty years ago)

hw ian't - it's me, the guy that everyone seems to confuse with aaron and calum.

― Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 2 June 2005 04:29 (twenty years ago)

the boredoms cover of phish may be their greatest song ever.

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 2 June 2005 04:38 (twenty years ago)

corona extra isn't a drug, it's a drink

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 2 June 2005 04:40 (twenty years ago)

RJG, I take back my smileyface.

― Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 2 June 2005 04:49 (twenty years ago)

(but not entirely) ;-) (and I give you a winky)

― Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 2 June 2005 04:50 (twenty years ago)

is this a lurker from PT? And I'm resisting the urge to slag UmphMcGee (since I feel like I'm the only one here besides you that has seen them live). Anyway ...

There is NOTHING from Siket Disc, Tower Jam, Lemonwheel Set 5, any of the '94 Tweezers, or anything Phish has ever done that sounds remotely like the Boredoms. That being said, I think that all of those are effing fantastic and it kind of pains me that the non-phish crowd is so turned off to Phish b/c of their fans. I've slipped in Siket Disc to Phish-hating-Napalm-Death fans and they'll ask me, "Who is this?" and I don't have the heart to break it to them. It's a shame that Phish can't write songs to save their life ... but their jams deserve attention. Too bad non-Phish fans would never deign to give it the time of day. Oh well, I gave up this (and the Grateful Dead) fight long ago.

― Suzy Creemcheese (SuzyCreemcheese), Thursday, 2 June 2005 05:10 (twenty years ago)

Well, I'm sure that Boredoms sound like Phish a couple seconds per song.

― Suzy Creemcheese (SuzyCreemcheese), Thursday, 2 June 2005 05:51 (twenty years ago)

alright, confession time: in my younger days i used to sport a shag and i had the first five (5!) studio phish albums. i've even seen them live (with dave matthews - before i'd ever heard of him - opening!!). from everything i'd heard, the sounded NOTHING like the boredomes. i don't doubt occasionally they might pull out a heavy psych jam, but mostly i don't believe you

― [that bastard] jaxon (jaxon), Thursday, 2 June 2005 06:06 (twenty years ago)

I used to own some Phish as well. Junta, Rift, Billy Breathes, that one what with that horse in a sling on the cover. They were a'ight, nothing resembling the Boredoms though. but y'know I can't hate on Phish, they jam okay.

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Thursday, 2 June 2005 06:10 (twenty years ago)

Plus, no heady 4-cheese pizzas and Sammy Smiths on Boredom Lot, brah.

Yeah, listen for the jams, maybe the occasional early composition, but not for "Love Is Freedom."

― Suzy Creemcheese (SuzyCreemcheese), Thursday, 2 June 2005 06:12 (twenty years ago)

(sorry, "Love Is Freedom" is a Trey Anastasio original. Alls I'm saying is that Trey can't be trusted around a lyrics/pop arrangement.

― Suzy Creemcheese (SuzyCreemcheese), Thursday, 2 June 2005 06:15 (twenty years ago)

phag

― Community Cornerstone (deangulberry), Thursday, 2 June 2005 08:12 (twenty years ago)

Suzy doesn't know Phish very well.

― Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 2 June 2005 12:06 (twenty years ago)

I used to own some Phish as well. Junta, Rift, Billy Breathes, that one what with that horse in a sling on the cover. They were a'ight, nothing resembling the Boredoms though. but y'know I can't hate on Phish, they jam okay.

Those are studio albums and that's not what we're talkin' 'bout here, Willis.

― Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 2 June 2005 12:16 (twenty years ago)

There is NOTHING from Siket Disc, Tower Jam, Lemonwheel Set 5, any of the '94 Tweezers, or anything Phish has ever done that sounds remotely like the Boredoms.

It appears we are at an impasse. You say they sound nothing alike, yet I thought I was listening to Phish. You say they sound nothing alike, yet it sounds just like many Phish jams I have heard, including all that I mentioned and it also reminds me especially of the IT DVD disc 2. You said Phish sounds nothing like Boredoms, yet I said VisionCreationNewsun sounds like a Phish jam. Not Chocalate Synthesizer. Secondly, you can claim to have heard every goddamn Phish showe ever circulated and I will not believe you or respect your opinion that Phish does not sound like VisionCreationNewsun because THEY DO. End of discussion.

― Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 2 June 2005 12:20 (twenty years ago)

OH wait! I have one more thing to add:

Except Phish does not ride that "VisionCreationNewsun" sound for longer than 15 minutes whereas Boredoms made a whole boring album out of it. VCN really sucks! Goes nowhere! 'Kay, now that's the end of the discussion.

― Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 2 June 2005 12:23 (twenty years ago)

If I have learned anything from this thread,it's that somewhere, buried deep in a crappy tribute disk, is a recording of Tom Tom Club doing a cover of "Sand", which might actually be pretty fucking kickass.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 2 June 2005 12:32 (twenty years ago)

Boredoms do a Phish cover, too. For real. In addition to the VCN album, I mean. A real actual Phish cover!

― Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 2 June 2005 12:34 (twenty years ago)

Skipping 46 messages at this point... Click here if you want to load them all.

No, that you could very well be a member of Phish yourself, Ned.

― Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 2 June 2005 15:04 (twenty years ago)

Most certainly not. Beards are of the devil.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 2 June 2005 15:05 (twenty years ago)

Only one beard in Phish. You'd have to lose the purple tie, though.

― Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 2 June 2005 15:06 (twenty years ago)

I really hope we can argue in another 100 posts on how Ned Raggett could be a member of Phish. I mean can you imagzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

― donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 2 June 2005 15:08 (twenty years ago)

Donut is addicted to this thread. It is his heroin. He wants to quit, but keeps coming back for more and nodding off.

― Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 2 June 2005 15:10 (twenty years ago)

I think it was the Boredoms that J the Mod played me in NYC. Whoever it was, they were so bad they weren't even there.

― the bellefox, Thursday, 2 June 2005 15:12 (twenty years ago)

Donut is addicted to this thread. It is his heroin. He wants to quit, but keeps coming back for more and nodding off.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA!

later. have fun.

― donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 2 June 2005 15:13 (twenty years ago)

I'll miss you, dude. :-(

― Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 2 June 2005 15:15 (twenty years ago)

What UP, did I hurt your feelings b/c 70 Volt Parade was a big dissapointment? But I guess that's off topic ... and maybe you think "Love Is Freedom" is one deeeeeep song.

And yes, GD and Phish shouldn't really be grouped together. Culturally, maybe. Musically? Probably not. Composition-wise, the closest GD comes to Phish might be Terrapin Station or Slipknot; none of their stuff has that classical feel like old Anastasio comps (Fluffhead, Bowie, YEM, Foam, MFMFriend, Guyute, etc.). Jamming style was completely different, too, although there is a lot of '77-'79 GD that 'peaks' the same way that Phish did (lots of tension/release stuff).

There is A LOT of post-97 stuff that is right up there w/ the previous stuff, although I'd agree that post-97 is when there were hit-or-miss shows. Plenty of '98 Gin hoses, dark, long '99 stuff like the Boise Bag, BIG CYPRESS, and then you've got to consider the Pipers from post-hiatus, 2/28/03 Tweezer, etc. etc. The big difference for me, though, has been the drastic drop in song-writing since '97.

― Suzy Creemcheese (SuzyCreemcheese), Thursday, 2 June 2005 15:22 (twenty years ago)

While I don't expect an apology from any of the uncivilized dolts who went out of their way to offend me, I apologize to Ned, Donut, Alan N and Suzy Creamcheese for being snotty. I hope you all realize it was done in jest. I also apologize to everyone for creating this thread, which was basically intended to pester and annoy. I also apologize for calling those people "uncivilized dolts." I don't take music that seriously, though I am a big fan of it.

Now I must do some work. Thanks all for the insightful music criticism and recommendations! And for playing along on my thread instead of ignoring it.

― Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 2 June 2005 15:26 (twenty years ago)

wait, so DOES or DOESN'T VCN sound like phish?!?!?@!?@!@#!@@#!@

― Mickey (modestmickey), Thursday, 2 June 2005 15:33 (twenty years ago)

(I think so, personally) -- okay, now I'm out for realz! Later!

― ReNTBAPA: Resolute Not To Be A Prick Anymore (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 2 June 2005 15:35 (twenty years ago)

oh no :(

― Mickey (modestmickey), Thursday, 2 June 2005 15:36 (twenty years ago)

I can't accept your apology until you admit to me that:

1) Seis de Mayo has been Trey's only decent solo studio release, and
2) The 4-minute stretch from the 7/10/99 Chalkdust is the best jam moment they've had since '97.

The happy by-product of this thread - me digging out VCN and actually answering this question properly.

― Suzy Creemcheese (SuzyCreemcheese), Thursday, 2 June 2005 15:40 (twenty years ago)

Phish and the Boredoms are both better than this thread.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 2 June 2005 15:42 (twenty years ago)

Well, Gotta Jiboo groove jams aren't better than this.

― Suzy Creemcheese (SuzyCreemcheese), Thursday, 2 June 2005 15:49 (twenty years ago)

Besides drumming, it doesn't appear to me that they can really play their instruments very well like Zorn or Fantomas. What I've heard proves they're good at making noises, textures and jarring, simple power chord riffs, but is that all? I expect the answer "Isn't that enough?!" But, really, is that all? Or can they really play?

3000 solo projects prove you wrong.

― Ian John50n (orion), Friday, 3 June 2005 20:41 (twenty years ago)

Wrong about what? I was asking a question. A question can't be wrong.

― ReNTBAPA: Resolute Not To Be A Prick Anymore (Unfortunate Prankster), Friday, 3 June 2005 22:13 (twenty years ago)

dude, are you aaronhz?

― [that bastard] jaxon (jaxon), Friday, 3 June 2005 22:28 (twenty years ago)

also, ian's saying you are wrong because of this statement: Besides drumming, it doesn't appear to me that they can really play their instruments very well like Zorn or Fantomas.

― [that bastard] jaxon (jaxon), Friday, 3 June 2005 22:29 (twenty years ago)

IT was actually me saying that!

― JW (orion), Friday, 3 June 2005 22:58 (twenty years ago)

go home jon

― [that bastard] jaxon (jaxon), Friday, 3 June 2005 23:06 (twenty years ago)

also, ian's saying you are wrong because of this statement: Besides drumming, it doesn't appear to me that they can really play their instruments very well like Zorn or Fantomas.

Only I can verify how things appear to me. This is why I worded it specifically in this manner. His opinion of 3,000 solo projects I've never heard does not prove my statement wrong in any way. I'm tempted to believe him, but then again I don't know if he's genuinely right or just angrily spouting.

Please notice, I am not being a prick at all here. If you think I am, you've mistaken something I've said.

― ReNTBAPA: Resolute Not To Be A Prick Anymore (Unfortunate Prankster), Friday, 3 June 2005 23:06 (twenty years ago)

You are being a prick. Right there! In the post right above this one!

― JW (orion), Friday, 3 June 2005 23:09 (twenty years ago)

http://users.rcn.com/bbober/zing/zphotos/zlogo_purple.gif

― ReNTBAPA: Resolute Not To Be A Prick Anymore (Unfortunate Prankster), Friday, 3 June 2005 23:10 (twenty years ago)

Is Yamamoto really in the same league as Fred Frith as Dominique stated upthread?

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 3 June 2005 23:20 (twenty years ago)

I saw him play this weekw ith people and he was great!

― Ian John50n (orion), Friday, 3 June 2005 23:33 (twenty years ago)

That was JW and not me.

― Ian John50n (orion), Friday, 3 June 2005 23:51 (twenty years ago)

Tim, I'm really referring to his playing on a technical level - though being that the two have played together, I'd say they have some artistic common ground as well.

― Dominique (dleone), Friday, 3 June 2005 23:54 (twenty years ago)

― Ian John50n (orion), Friday, 3 June 2005 23:59 (twenty years ago)

. . . still not accepting his apology ...

― Suzy Creemcheese (SuzyCreemcheese), Saturday, 4 June 2005 01:17 (twenty years ago)

Suzy, I can't agree because I don't own Seis De Mayo. I listened to it in the store and decided I didn't want to ruin the songs for myself. I do not need or want a classical version of Guyute floating around my head and didn't particularly care for the general sound of the cd as well as the production, which seemed a little devoid of life. Also, I happen to like Plasma, Pecked By The Dove and that one where he's staring out the rainy window (forgot the name).

― ReNTBAPA: Resolute Not To Be A Prick Anymore (Unfortunate Prankster), Saturday, 4 June 2005 04:12 (twenty years ago)

It's difficult for me to compare Yamamoto and Frith. To me, Frith's best work is the solo guitar improv idiom that he developed - the bewildering variety of extended techniques that he mastered and made seem natural as the plectrum. To see him in a solo improv situation can be a revelation, or in a duo improv gig as he did at the most recent Victo Fest with Braxton. Yamamoto to me is a technically gifted guitarist, but I think his greatest strengths lie elsewhere. The things that Omoide Hatoba came up with continue to blow my mind, and I think his role as a conceptual mind on par with Eye in the original Boredoms should not be underestimated.

― o. nate (onate), Saturday, 4 June 2005 04:24 (twenty years ago)

the "staring" out the window is TAB's studio album (TAB). Seis de Mayo isn't crucial, but the Pebbles and Marbles, Andre the Giant, and Guyute (w/ My Friend My Friend appended to the beginning) are great. Trey conceived of Guyute as an orchestral piece, and I think he executes it nicely there. I think if Trey had continued w/ the TAB line-up, it could have been something nice (better than 70 Volt Parade, at least). You can hear hints of it scattered throughout the live performances, but I don't think Plasma does a good job finding those. Pecked by the Dove? Eh.

― Suzy Creemcheese (SuzyCreemcheese), Saturday, 4 June 2005 04:34 (twenty years ago)

I know the story of Guyute and the fugues and all that, I just didn't like it when I heard it and immediately thought, "NO, I can't listen to this!" I'm funny that way. Bad associations can really fuck up my listening pleasure because my monkey mind fixates on the memory of something I don't like and it just ruins the song.

― ReNTBAPA: Resolute Not To Be A Prick Anymore (Unfortunate Prankster), Saturday, 4 June 2005 04:42 (twenty years ago)

And yeah, he should've stuck with the TAB thing. His new stuff sounds like it must suck ass.

― ReNTBAPA: Resolute Not To Be A Prick Anymore (Unfortunate Prankster), Saturday, 4 June 2005 04:44 (twenty years ago)

understood. of all of the non-jam songs, guyute was always one of my favorites (and not b/c of the whole 'fugue' thing - i figure of all the fugue-composers, trey is pretty far down on the list). So much of the TAB stuff is tough to talk about b/c it's so mediocre to my ears. A lot of boring polyrhythmic stuff. But, the band was coming closer and closer to sounding like trey's dream, fela kuti (not that it ever had the edge that a lot of fela kuti's live bands had). Nice strong sound, and the band was beginning to learn how to find their spots w/r/t improvising within an 8-piece.

the good news - doesn't sound like this new band is gonna last. thank god.

― Suzy Creemcheese (SuzyCreemcheese), Saturday, 4 June 2005 05:10 (twenty years ago)

I have a funny feeling that Phish is really the best thing we'll ever see out of these 4 musicians. In a way, I'm kind of glad I ignored all the live stuff for so long. At least I wasn't basically tired of YEM and ready to call it quits when the band did. I was conversing with some people after the Brooklyn show about how I was pretty bummed and they were all like, "Ah man, I've been doing this for so many years. It's all good. Change is good." And I felt like I must seem like a luddite to them when in reality I just hadn't obsessed over them for the last decade like so many other fans had.

If Trey put together something very horny and jazzy and not world beat-y, I would be happy. Like Reconstruction!

― ReNTBAPA: Resolute Not To Be A Prick Anymore (Unfortunate Prankster), Saturday, 4 June 2005 05:17 (twenty years ago)

three weeks pass...

are phish dead yet?....they should just die already

― That One Guy (That One Guy), Thursday, 30 June 2005 00:58 (nineteen years ago)

yes, they did break up.

― Mickey (modestmickey), Thursday, 30 June 2005 01:04 (nineteen years ago)

I love this thread.

― Ian John50n (orion), Thursday, 30 June 2005 01:05 (nineteen years ago)

NotPrick - Well, Trey's first post-phish band, TAB, was exactly that: 9 piece band, lots of horns, world-beatish but not wimpy (he patterned it after Fela Kuti's stuff). It had it's moments; if he'd kept that band together, it really could have been something special. Improving cohesively with that many people can get kinda hairy, but by the end they were really doing some great stuff.

And yes, Phish is dead. ILM can rejoice.

― Suzy Creemcheese (SuzyCreemcheese), Thursday, 30 June 2005 01:19 (nineteen years ago)

ten years pass...

i wish the thread topic were true... what's some more stuff like this? minimialist maximalist psychedelic journey that's FUN and joyous and raucous

― global tetrahedron, Monday, 16 May 2016 19:54 (nine years ago)

or, alternately, am i going to find myself being into phish in like five years (finally got into the dead recently, so...)

― global tetrahedron, Monday, 16 May 2016 19:58 (nine years ago)

Guardian Alien perhaps?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5YF6BlUIiA

― MaresNest, Monday, 16 May 2016 20:01 (nine years ago)

listening to track one of this 'siket disc' mentioned above and it's... not bad

― global tetrahedron, Monday, 16 May 2016 20:06 (nine years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLpUz2m5USU

― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 16 May 2016 20:15 (nine years ago)

I don't know much like this myself, except moments from Can records, or early and mid-70s era Kraftwerk. Really, you'd have better luck looking at house and techno DJ mixes to get a better idea of how this record flows.

The thread title is comically false, because while Boredoms are a great live band with jammy aspects, this record is a total studio concoction, and the production is as much (or a more) a factor in how this album sounds as the playing. All Boredoms records are like this actually, and IMO a big part of what makes them unique.

― Dominique, Monday, 16 May 2016 20:23 (nine years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYAd0-ifNlM

― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 16 May 2016 20:24 (nine years ago)

i love that hawkwind album but don't see a lot of similarities. maybe they're more tounge-in-cheek than i think but i associate hawkwind as more like a 'going into the void' type of psychedelia, i like how 'sunny' VCN is (right down to the cover!)

VCN definitely is clearly very studio-centric, another reason i like it. i know Can edited down a lot of their jams and whatnot but VCN seems to take the studio orchestration to a different level

― global tetrahedron, Monday, 16 May 2016 20:32 (nine years ago)

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