soul lyrics - C or D

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im saying dud, for the most part. why do soul lyrics only have to be about love and relationships and the most elementary part of those things (a lot of the time). bought dave godin's deep soul treasures comp and my god, the lyrics are predictable. they ruin the stirring vocals and the brilliance of the musicianship.

iloveyou, Thursday, 2 June 2005 14:39 (twenty years ago)

what would you rather they be about?

peter smith (plsmith), Thursday, 2 June 2005 14:43 (twenty years ago)

i dont have a prob with the topics, just the way theyre expressed. listening to a DJ cash money 70s soul and funk comp right now and its all the same ol same ol, nothing unique being expressed about someone leaving someone, or being heartbroken or whatever. havent these artists got something they want to say for themselves? something unique about their relationship? some sort of expression beyond mechanical made to order declarations of love or whatever? thats all i ask for. not the usual rote lyric. dont get me wrong, im not anti soul or anti-loveinmusic, holland dozier holland wrote some of the best songs ever on love. keep me hanging on, etc, are all superb.

iloveyou, Thursday, 2 June 2005 14:46 (twenty years ago)

Is there a kind of competitive aesthetic going on whereby the best soul singer is the one who can invest trite words with the most meaning?

Or an aesthetic whereby too much artifice in the writing runs the risk of allowing overt artifice into the performance, making the emotions seem less realistic?

Or would fancy words be seen as distracting from the performance?

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 2 June 2005 14:50 (twenty years ago)

Also most of the artists are interpreting the songs, not writing them. So what they "have to say for themselves" should be coming out in the way they sing the words as much as the words themselves.

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 2 June 2005 14:55 (twenty years ago)

well there is the whole focus of soul on the vocalist, so essentially the song is the platform for the vocalist to outdo others with their chops, but even so, i cant help thinking you should be able to spotlight your voice and deliver the song without grandstanding. but then maybe thats about whether you put the song or the voice first.

iloveyou, Thursday, 2 June 2005 14:56 (twenty years ago)

I never enjoyed those Godin comps either by the way, the whole approach seemed a bit dogmatic about what was Emotional in music and it just didn't resonate much.

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 2 June 2005 14:59 (twenty years ago)

love song = hit song = get paid

b'angelo, Thursday, 2 June 2005 15:00 (twenty years ago)

Um yeah but most obscure soul sides sold, what, 72 copies, largely to Mr Godin 20 years later?

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 2 June 2005 15:00 (twenty years ago)

well right, in retrospect, but the people making these songs knew that then?

b'angelo, Thursday, 2 June 2005 15:01 (twenty years ago)

They must have had some idea, I guess they hoped to get lucky but surely they'd be realistic enough to know the likely fate of a given single? Love songs sell, sure, but as thread-starter says it's often the love songs with some twist or gimmick that sell most.

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 2 June 2005 15:05 (twenty years ago)

you think all the going nowhere, strictly local and regional, z-list rappers around the Us know that their pro forma, by the numbers thug-baller-hustler raps arent going to get in the top ten? everyones aiming for the same thing.

iloveyou, Thursday, 2 June 2005 15:09 (twenty years ago)

Marvin Gaye and Stevie Wonder to thread!

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 2 June 2005 15:11 (twenty years ago)

Also most of the artists are interpreting the songs, not writing them.

This may be an important factor here. Usually, if you have something to say in the lyrics, you prefer to say it yourself rather than having somebody else say it for you. In spite of the occasional "Eve Of Destruction", lyrics with a message aren't very usual among non soul acts either, if they are written for other people to perform.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 2 June 2005 15:14 (twenty years ago)

fuck, the hongro is defending soul, things must be bad. but anyway, marvin and stevie were the exceptions to the rule really werent they?

what do you mean by 'a message'?? im not asking all soul artists to be political.

iloveyou, Thursday, 2 June 2005 15:15 (twenty years ago)

havent these artists got something they want to say for themselves? something unique about their relationship? some sort of expression beyond mechanical made to order declarations of love or whatever?

perhaps one of the reasons that these songs are popular is because they concern aspects of human emotions and relationships that a lot of people can relate to their own experiences? the deeper into your own unique experience you go, the fewer people you will be able to connect with?

when i enjoy what you call mechanical or predictable lyrics, it's because when i listen to them it makes me think of how many people would be able to understand what the singer is singing about. the actual real-life personal situation of the vocalist and lyricist isn't something i pay a lot of attenion to, i suppose.

pete b. (pete b.), Thursday, 2 June 2005 15:44 (twenty years ago)

there are about a million socially conscious soul lyrics. motown and stax went thru that whole phase post-"Riot." (see Greil Marcus's chapter on "Riot" in "Mystery Train."

and, check out please the greatest of all soul albums (I'm only half-kidding), "City of Angels" by the Miracles, which is about loving L.A. Stupid and confused lyrics that add up to a real picture of that era, the mid-'70s. Anyway, are lyrics about some chick for whom you've bought some hair (wig hats) and then watched hit the streets while you cry at home any more ridiculous than plasticine porters? I'm all for self-expression but sometimes you want a good song-factory song, I think.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Thursday, 2 June 2005 16:32 (twenty years ago)

iloveyou, i think you need to hear a little ditty by the name of trapped in the closet

Sym Sym (sym), Thursday, 2 June 2005 16:34 (twenty years ago)

lyrics = lame

Zack Richardson (teenagequiet), Thursday, 2 June 2005 18:45 (twenty years ago)

"We're all sensitive people"

The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Thursday, 2 June 2005 18:47 (twenty years ago)


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