DJ Shadow's Entroducing (Deluxe Edition)

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Did this get released yet? I have seen release dates for May 23rd and also June 7th. Anyone have this yet?

The original album is also backed by a whole second disc of rarities, unreleased versions, edits and live material. The new package is being billed as, Endtroducing : Deluxe Edition Bonus Disc Remastered.

CD 1 - Entroducing Tracklisting :

1. Best Foot Forward
2. Building Steam With A Grain Of Salt
3. Number Song
4. Changeling
5. Transmission 1
6. What Does Your Soul Look Like? Part 4
7. Untitled
8. Stem / Long Stem
9. Transmission 2
10. Mutual Slump
11. Organ Donor
12. Why Hip-Hop Sucks In ‘96
13. Midnight In A Perfect World
14. Napalm Brain / Scatter Brain
15. What Does Your Soul Look Like? (Part 1 - Blue Sky Revisit)
16. Transmission 3

CD 2 - Excessive Ephemera Tracklisting :

1. Best Foot Forward (Alternate Version)
2. Building Steam With A Grain Of Salt (Alternate Take Without Overdubs)
3. The Number Song (Cut Chemist Party Mix)
4. Changeling (Original Demo Excerpt)
5. Stem (Cops ‘N’ Robbers Mix)
6. Soup
7. Red Bus Needs To Leave
8. Mutual Slump (Alternate Take Without Overdubs)
9. Organ Donor (Extended Overhaul)
10. Why Hip-Hop Sucks In ‘96 (Alternate Take)
11. Midnight In A Perfect World (Gab Mix)
12. Napalm Brain (Original Demo Beat)
13. What Does Your Soul Look Like (Peshay Remix)
14. DJ Shadow Live in Oxford, England - October 30th, 1997

― buck van morrison (Buck Van Smack), Friday, 3 June 2005 00:16 (twenty years ago)

Nothing wrong with DJ Shadow.
But really, isn't he as nineties as... Seinfeld?!
Fun at the time, though

― Good, but not for everyone, Friday, 3 June 2005 00:22 (twenty years ago)

they just put out a bunch of seinfeld box sets!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 3 June 2005 00:31 (twenty years ago)

10. Why Hip-Hop Sucks In ‘96 (Alternate Take)

"...it's the weed."

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 3 June 2005 00:47 (twenty years ago)

Building Steam With A Grain Of Salt (Alternate Take Without Overdubs)

Does this mean that the track doesn't have those silly "...and I'm a student of the drums too LOL!" samples??

― Leeeeee (Leee), Friday, 3 June 2005 00:51 (twenty years ago)

Oh man, this is nice. Now I can finally stop looking for that elusive Midnight in a Perfect World single. Too bad "Red Bus Needs to Leave!" kind of sucks.

Also: given how much is already on that second CD, how long can the live track be? Five, maybe eight minutes?

― Telephonething, Friday, 3 June 2005 01:04 (twenty years ago)

One last thing...anyone in the States wanting to pick this up should probably keep an eye on Best Buy. They were selling the two-disc SACD version of NIN's The Downward Spiral (part of the same line of reissues) for the price of a regular single CD when it came out. Dunno if they'll do it again- but I bloody well hope so, since there's no way I'm paying $30 for a b-sides disc and an album I already have.

― Telephonething, Friday, 3 June 2005 01:06 (twenty years ago)

I've always meant to buy that album (love Pre-emptive Strike) and six years later I still haven't. I guess I'll pick up the deluxe edition, then.

― Ian Riese-Moraine's all but an ark-lark! (Eastern Mantra), Friday, 3 June 2005 01:09 (twenty years ago)

listening to it right now ... the ending live track is about 13 minutes.

― Suzy Creemcheese (SuzyCreemcheese), Friday, 3 June 2005 03:48 (twenty years ago)

So it is out. I'll pick it up this weekend.

― buck van morrison (Buck Van Smack), Friday, 3 June 2005 03:58 (twenty years ago)

The liner notes are an excerpt from the 33 1/3 book about the album, right? How are they?

― Orange (Orange), Friday, 3 June 2005 06:05 (twenty years ago)

i don't think this is out. we're not slated to get this at amoeba until later in the month.

― heywood jablomi (heywood), Friday, 3 June 2005 07:15 (twenty years ago)

Does this mean that the track doesn't have those silly "...and I'm a student of the drums too LOL!" samples??

-- Leeeeee (leeee...), June 3rd, 2005. (Leee) (link)

Nope. And it sounds odd without them.

― angelo flores (flores), Friday, 3 June 2005 07:44 (twenty years ago)

10. Why Hip-Hop Sucks In ‘96 (Alternate Take)

The only way Shadow can redeem himself in my eyes is if this is five minutes of him earnestly explaining how he was wrong, hip hop didn't suck in 1996 at all, and he had merely fallen into an erroneously nostalgic way of thinking.

― Flyboy (Flyboy), Friday, 3 June 2005 08:19 (twenty years ago)

It sucked and was great at the same time, as ever.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Friday, 3 June 2005 09:18 (twenty years ago)

Now I can finally stop looking for that elusive Midnight in a Perfect World single.

I still have the 12" somewhere, woo.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Friday, 3 June 2005 09:19 (twenty years ago)

Always wanted a Peshay (or contemporary of his e.g. Scott, Krust) remix of 'Changeling' myself. 'Midnight...' also makes good with a double speed beat.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Friday, 3 June 2005 09:22 (twenty years ago)

the cd single of Midnight appears on ebay on regular basis ..
i got it dead cheap via ebay only a few months ago

- or are you are vinyl only ..

― mark e (mark e), Friday, 3 June 2005 09:23 (twenty years ago)

Laura and I were at that Oxford gig.

Yep, Endtroducing - thought it great at the time, haven't listened to it in nearly ten years.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 3 June 2005 09:24 (twenty years ago)

hip-hop wasn't great in 1996. this was the year of 'tha doggfather' and the decline of the wu, iirc.

― N_RQ, Friday, 3 June 2005 09:26 (twenty years ago)

also, fuck it, why can't dj shadow declare beefs? are we saying we won't listen to jay-z before he earnestly explains why nas is actually okay?

― N_RQ, Friday, 3 June 2005 09:29 (twenty years ago)

The only Wu-related record from '96 I can recall offhand is Ironman by Ghostface Killah, which certainly isn't that bad, and Wu-Tang Forever from '97 is a double drop-dead masterpiece (was listening to it the other day in fact - still sounds astonishingly prescient, what with all those cod-Henry Flynt violin lines). Was All Eyes On Me by 2Pac a '96 release (I'm pretty certain it came out posthumously)? Also '96 was when one of the great British rap albums (yes I know it's not a crowded field) came out - Paradise Don't Come Cheap by New Kingdom. But stylistically there were no great leaps forward that year.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 3 June 2005 09:34 (twenty years ago)

marcello .

New Kingdom are back in action.

we await the results.

but they weren't british were they ? (of to check this now !)
just that we took them to our hearts ..

― mark e (mark e), Friday, 3 June 2005 09:37 (twenty years ago)

found it ..

(not that easy !)

http://www.newkingdomcity.com/index.html

now back to the topic ..

96 was definitely my slim period for hip hop .. never got into the Wu/Snoop/2-Pac style .. so Shadows dig always made me smile.

i am looking forward to this reissue .. my cardboard cover version is looking rather shabby ..

― mark e (mark e), Friday, 3 June 2005 09:42 (twenty years ago)

There are two Midnight in a Perfect World singles. The original one is just the same as the version on "Endtroducing", except that it's got a couple of samples from "Rollerball" in it. One of Ralph Richardson and another of the computer going bananas when James Caan asks it a hard question.

The other one's got the "Gab Mix" on it, which is actually very good, if a bit stop start.

― KeefW (kmw), Friday, 3 June 2005 09:46 (twenty years ago)

Oops, memory failing me... The Gab Mix is on the original single too. I do have something else somewhere though... I'll dig it out.

― KeefW (kmw), Friday, 3 June 2005 09:54 (twenty years ago)

It's just a daft waste of money thing the other one. It's got:

Midnight in a Perfect World (LP version)
The Number Song (LP version)
Red Bus Needs To Leave
Mignight in a Perfect World (Gab Mix)
The Number Song (Cut Chemist Party Mix)

― KeefW (kmw), Friday, 3 June 2005 09:57 (twenty years ago)

Didn't someone consider putting "Lost And Found" or "High Noon" on there?

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 3 June 2005 10:06 (twenty years ago)

Didn't someone consider putting "Lost And Found" or "High Noon" on there?
The songs from the High Noon EP are on Pre-Emptive Strike, which is still available. But I agree, "Lost and Found" should be on this.

― Jonathan (Jonathan), Friday, 3 June 2005 10:53 (twenty years ago)

Liquid Swords came out in November '95, so would've been the most recent Wu release until Ironman in late '96. If that's your idea of decline... Jeru's Wrath Of The Math was '96. Mobb Deep's Infamous also came out in '95, so was definitely still being played/listened to a lot in '96. I think if you read Shadow's interviews at the time it's clear he meant "hip hop at this present time compared to the good old days sucks", not "hip hop releases this year compared to last or the one fore that sucks" - remember his specific phrase, "like watching your mother becoming an alcoholic"?

also, fuck it, why can't dj shadow declare beefs? are we saying we won't listen to jay-z before he earnestly explains why nas is actually okay?

The difference is that Jay-Z dissed Nas in a famously witty, specific and detailed verse, rather than making a sweeping, dismissive, simplistic generalisation about an entire genre.

― Flyboy (Flyboy), Friday, 3 June 2005 12:37 (twenty years ago)

true, but it was also a pithy statement, 'it's the money'. of course whining about that kind of hip-hop is pointless now; maybe it was then, but yeah there *is* something empty about jay-z's materialism. there's nothing specific or detailed about wearing and 'i hate pink floyd' t-shirt either, but making sweeping statements is a venerable pop tradition. i'd forgotten the wu-tang release dates -- i know i never liked 'forever', but if there were fine tracks about, there was a lot of bullshit too. i think shadow had a right to speak up.

― N_RQ, Friday, 3 June 2005 12:48 (twenty years ago)

Also '96 was when one of the great British rap albums (yes I know it's not a crowded field) came out - Paradise Don't Come Cheap by New Kingdom.

New Kingdom aren't British, they're from Brooklyn.

I can't believe everyone is using Wu-Tang et al. as an explanation for why hip hop was good in 1996 when the song is clearly a shot at lazy G-funk which was finally playing itself out at the time.

This thread inspired me to listen to Endtroducing..... last night. Aside from "The Number Song" and "Midnight...", the album's never really done anything for me.

― Vic Funk, Friday, 3 June 2005 12:49 (twenty years ago)

Since then, DJ Shadow's taken back his "hip-hop sucks" thing and concluded that hip-hop is going in "too many directions" to generalize about or something (paraphrased.) He's also big-upped crunk.

― deej., Friday, 3 June 2005 12:50 (twenty years ago)

'Stay Alive in '75' is a much better title.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Friday, 3 June 2005 12:53 (twenty years ago)

Shadow played UNKLE's 'Bloodstain' as a Timba tribute (in '98). Y'all are overthinking this. Dude thinks Richard X should do more hip hop.

― BARMS, Friday, 3 June 2005 13:12 (twenty years ago)

New Kingdom is back! Damn I'm happy! :-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 3 June 2005 13:12 (twenty years ago)

But that URL does not work! Mark E, you are a liar!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 3 June 2005 13:14 (twenty years ago)

i lie not

.. how dare you imply such a thing ..

just checked .. heres access direct to the bio page :

http://www.newkingdomcity.com/bio.html

― mark e (mark e), Friday, 3 June 2005 13:52 (twenty years ago)

and i too am rather chuffed re their return, after all there aint many hip hop crews who namecheck Foetus and Jamie Hewlett ..

― mark e (mark e), Friday, 3 June 2005 13:54 (twenty years ago)

See, that is much better than your previous link, which was devilish and told me the domain did not exist.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 3 June 2005 13:55 (twenty years ago)

there aint many hip hop crews who namecheck Foetus and Jamie Hewlett ..

Give Damon time.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 3 June 2005 13:55 (twenty years ago)

nah

.. i suggested that Foetus remix gorillaz during Phase One .. and JH was somewhat shaken that someone would even want such a collab when this idea was put to him ..

so the chances are rather slim ..

― mark e (mark e), Friday, 3 June 2005 13:57 (twenty years ago)

Just because 2 or 3 good hiphop albums were released doesn't exactly make 1996 a great year for hiphop in comparison with the other years of the 90's. "Woo-Haa," Dr Octagon, and The Score were about as adventurous as it got that year. And yes, Reasonable Doubt was released in '96, but not enough people paid attention. So hiphop DID suck in '96. And it WAS because of the money.

― billstevejim (billstevejim), Friday, 3 June 2005 14:44 (twenty years ago)

1991 also a blip year for hip-hop?

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Friday, 3 June 2005 14:48 (twenty years ago)

"New Kingdom aren't British, they're from Brooklyn."

Scotty Hard is Canadian though which is like British only not.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 3 June 2005 17:20 (twenty years ago)

1996 was a great year for hip-hop. You people is crazy.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 3 June 2005 17:21 (twenty years ago)

alex in sf OTM

― deej., Friday, 3 June 2005 17:22 (twenty years ago)

1996 was a great year for hip-hop. You people is crazy.
-- Alex in SF

Boring to say but I don't think genres as big as hip-hop vary much from year to year. Always a lot of good stuff & a lot of bad stuff.

― Mark (MarkR), Friday, 3 June 2005 18:45 (twenty years ago)

That's how every genre is essentially. Of course there was some good stuff, but it was a lot less than the few years leading up to that point.

― billstevejim (billstevejim), Saturday, 4 June 2005 00:33 (twenty years ago)

In addition to possibly being factually incorrect with the title of his minute-long throwaway cut, DJ Shadow has yet to demonstrate to my satisfaction that building steam with a grain of salt is, in fact, possible scientifically.

― plebian plebs (plebian), Saturday, 4 June 2005 09:49 (twenty years ago)

Boring to say but

Also wrong. 1988 kills 1996. But the latter year will always, always have a soft place in my heart for the First Avenue show with the Fugees/Goodie Mob/the Roots, just as "Killing Me Softly" was breaking. That was possibly the greatest rap show I've ever seen.

The whole vibe that year was good, from "Wooh Hah!!" to "California Love" to Nas's "Street Dreams" to Outkast's ATLiens to Tribe's "Get a Hold." All of these sound better to me today than DJ Shadow, but that album grew on me...

― Pete Scholtes, Saturday, 4 June 2005 20:44 (twenty years ago)

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