Should I buy Destiny's Child's "Survivor"?

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or whatever that album is called, the one with Survivor, So Good, Independent Woman and so on on it.

I liked these songs when I heard them as singles or on compi CDs, so would I like the album? Bootylicious is meant to be good too, isn't it?

― DV, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Of course, the good woman remains unconvinced by the majesty of the Child, so buying this record could be a great source of tension down the Vicarage.

But tension can be creative.

― DV, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

"So Good" is actually on The Writing's On The Wall. If I concentrate hard I realise that Survivor actually has a lot of great songs on it (cut out the bad tracks and it's still a decent length) but I rarely listen to it. It's not just that Destiny's Child are a singles and not albums group, but also that the Beyonce Express actually does begin to grate even on the good tracks if digested all at once. But yeah, a good album nonetheless.

― Tim, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

TWOTW = way better LP, worse singles.

― Graham, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

the singles are good on Survivor but the rest of the album leaves a lot to be desired, i'd get The Writing's on the Wall if i were you

― leigh m, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

TWOTW - better 'songs', but 'Survivor' = better sound, more divaliciousness = buy buy buy! Best album of 2001, serious.

― dave q, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Dave, don't you have an issue with melisma? Or am I remembering the GREAT PINEFOX THREAD WARS incorrectly?

― Tim, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

No.

(That was an answer to the Vicar, not Mr Finney.)

― the pinefox, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Ooh, go on - treat yourself.

― Jez, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Yes. (Tim it doesn't count as melisma if you are a self-obsessed breadhead bootyrobot...)

― mark s, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

btw that works as a descrpn of dave q AND beyoncé so DOUBLE ROWR for mark s

Destiny's Child = Brazen Hussies hurrah

Yes = buy Survivor. It is not a "good album" in the smiths/pink floyd sense, but it is triff in the othah god sense.

― mark s, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I only liked their "Get On The Bus" or "Get OFF The Bus" (whatever!) single. And that for its start-stop bass & drums thing.

― Kodanshi, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

TWOTW is a more listenable album, "for all seasons" & all, much more organic and friendly. Survivor has loads of good (near essential) tracks which weren't singles, but is a much more harrowing experience, in emotional terms, falling from greater peaks of self-confidence to deeper depths of debasement.

― Sterling Clover, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I have to say that I really disagree with the characterization of _Survivor_ as being a bunch of singles surrounded by awful filler. Any given song on _Survivor_ (with the exception of the a capella silliness and the God shout-out) is better than any given non-single on _The Writing's On The Wall_. Furthermore, the best songs on _Survivor_ are non-singles ("Nasty", "Apple Pie A La Mode", "Dangerously In Love", "Sexy Daddy", "The Story Of Beauty").

― Dan Perry, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

If you have appallingly low standards and applaud the offal put out by vaccuous whistleheads, than fine. Buy it.

― Alex in NYC, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Damn, Alex. Who shit in your Wheaties this morning?

― Dan Perry, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I think the writing's on the wall' is a lot of fun.

― richard john gillanders, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Dan, you act like you've never seen Alex post before.

It's pretty good, from what I recall, but I downloaded it.

― David Raposa, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Best DC ballad evah = "Temptation" from TWOTW, for what that's worth.

― Sterling Clover, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

"Temptation" is the only song on _TWOTW_ that isn't deeply inferior to the singles. And, even if I'm the only one, I like their cover of "Emotion".

― Dan Perry, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Yeah, just download it.

― Clarke B., Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

No! (in response to Clarke B) If DV's going to go this route he needs every uncompressed glisteny morsel.

― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 31 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I second whoever mentioned 'Sexy Daddy', what a great track! Like they relocated Paisley Park to Miami

― dave q, Thursday, 31 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Dan you FOOL. You are forgetting the BRILLIANCE that is "Hey Ladies".

Survivor > The Writing's On The Wall but I reckon the faults are similar. Both albums start so strongly and then sort of dissolve into asinine sweetness (nothing on Survivor is quite as bad as "Sweet Sixteen", but the cumulative effect of all those ballads stacked together is similar. For me the flavour/ colouring of the albums have little bearing on their quality in relation to eachother; their best tracks on either album sound more similar to each other than to their inferior brethren.

― Tim, Thursday, 31 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Tim in shockingly wrong shocker! Survivor doesn't get sweet, but depressive, morose, clingy, like the whole dream of independence dissolves in a codependant stupor. It becomes v. v. disturbing, which is I think good. Also, the production of the two albums is at wild variance. TWOTW is skittrified R&B, bleeping and doubletiming with string hits. Survivor leeches out the modern sounding edge and frenzy, and places vocals far more central, with verse-swapping the three singing over eachother, the shoutouts at the beginnings of half the songs, and the songs generally have more of an organic flow, moving between verse & chorus much more naturally. And then of course, the track Survivor, which fits with nothing else in the entire DC canon.
― Sterling Clover, Thursday, 31 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Sterling aces the par 3! I don't see "Dangerously In Love" as a sweet song; it's borderline deranged, a proud declaration of the joys of obsession and stalking. "The Story Of Beauty" is pure pathos with a backbeat. The God/We Love Ourselves shout-outs at the end are poisoned narcissism wrapped in a claustrophobic beat. The album just gets more and more unsettling as it goes on; in fact, the gospel medley profits from this by appearing to be a ray of hope in the bleakness as opposed to what it really is (the girls show off their voices in a "Ooh, we sound GOOD!" diva-moment that any singer on Earth can instantly relate to).

― Dan Perry, Thursday, 31 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i gwee i gwee i gwee!!!

― mark s, Thursday, 31 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Okay I see all y'all point - I just don't listen to that second half much at all (though "The Story Of Beauty" is good in a thoroughly overblown manner) and tend to associate the basic sound with "Emotion", which is in my opinion at least sweetly morose.

― Tim, Thursday, 31 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Why buy it when you can hear it everywhere you go? Seriously, is it even possible to get away from them for more than a couple hours while walking down the street, watching the tube, etc?

Still waiting for the Gemini's Twin full length.

― Dave Beckhouse, Friday, 1 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

What's up people? This is what it took to get me off of the Jay/Nas board. Yeah, you should get that CD and the 1st two. I agree that WOTW is better, but Survior is still worth getting.

― Qoolout, Saturday, 2 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

nine years pass...

if you independent i congratulate you
if you ain't in love i congratulate you
do them boys like they used to do you
if you pimp him i congratulate you

what happened to that beyoncé?! i miss her ;_;

― lex pretend, Tuesday, 15 March 2011 13:27 (fifteen years ago)

NO FALLING IN LOVE NO COMMITMENT FROM ME

― lex pretend, Tuesday, 15 March 2011 13:28 (fifteen years ago)

I think she fell in love

― ancient, but very sexy (DJP), Tuesday, 15 March 2011 13:29 (fifteen years ago)

there's that dmx quote about how he blamed beyoncé for taking away jay-z's thug cred. the same was true in reverse ;_;

― lex pretend, Tuesday, 15 March 2011 13:29 (fifteen years ago)

four years pass...

i like this song

― surm, Monday, 28 December 2015 00:44 (ten years ago)

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