Salvatore Sciarrino

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Only thing I have from him is an excellent track 'lohengrin, Prologo', complied by Mike daddino on his '1984' CDR: bells against keyboard stabs against breaking-point strings with 'stalker' vocals, all in 1:29. Need more...

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 5 June 2005 11:25 (twenty years ago)

any relation to Maria?

miccio (miccio), Sunday, 5 June 2005 13:33 (twenty years ago)

I thought the same thing.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 5 June 2005 13:38 (twenty years ago)

Me too. :-)

nathalie's baby (stevie nixed), Sunday, 5 June 2005 13:52 (twenty years ago)

He's so totally great. I have a CD of his music played by the Italian string ensemble Alter Ego (not the German "Rocker" Alter Ego) and I love it. Hard to describe the sensibility, it makes me think of dionysiac images of bacchantes in a frenzy waggling their thyrsis and attacking Orpheus and stuff like that- there are weird keening piercing clarient and flute and voice stabs that feel like shards, very hard sudden attacks and lots of silent gaps. It is spooky stuff.

Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Sunday, 5 June 2005 16:53 (twenty years ago)

yes, as a matter of fact we are distant relatives.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Sunday, 5 June 2005 17:00 (twenty years ago)

xpost should have said clarinet not clarient

The Alter Ego guys told me that they did a concert of Sciarrino's music with Jim O'Rourke helping out; I think Alter Ego are coming to Stanford this fall to play a concert of Sciarrino stuff so West Coast peeps should check that out.

Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Sunday, 5 June 2005 17:09 (twenty years ago)

i had been asked this question several years ago and wasnt sure, so i asked my dad. OK, maybe not so distant. not to delve too much into family history but my grandfather had 15 other siblings, so its all messy. maybe he's a second cousin. either way, he's 4 years younger than my father. i also have an uncle salvo but he's not related by blood.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Sunday, 5 June 2005 17:09 (twenty years ago)

search: studi per l'intonazione del mare

absolutely glorious. i have a difficult time describing it, as i have never heard anything quite like it.

also piano works perf. (and dedicated to) massimiliano damerini. along with ustvolskaya's, the piano sonatas are among the best of the last century.

you will be shot (you will be shot), Sunday, 5 June 2005 19:02 (twenty years ago)

and i second that alter ego disc.

you will be shot (you will be shot), Sunday, 5 June 2005 19:09 (twenty years ago)

maria that's kind of awesome. get him to post here :-)

I wuv how jim o'rouke seems to be everywhere. just love it.

thanks y'all.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 6 June 2005 08:19 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...
'la bocca i peidi il suono' for 4 saxophones and '100 sax in movement' has been issued on col legno and its prettier than the instrumentation would suggest, and the '100 sax...' would suggest you'd be swamped by the mass, but you never feel you are, really. Its like these tiny webs being weaved across four main lines - uncomfortably ambient is the nearest to a descritption - you feel the microphone trying to capture this world he created, like a field recording taking place in the amazon.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 13:28 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...
search: studi per l'intonazione del mare
absolutely glorious. i have a difficult time describing it, as i have never heard anything quite like it.

the word 'ecology' was used in the liner notes to the solo flute disc and that is something running through much of his music, i guess. on 'studi' the lines from the reeds come across like karate chops. Present, all there, but karate is only to be used when defending yourself. the over-dramatic tone of the singing is made even funnier given this background.

the sonatas are a magical world on its own.

anyone like franco donatoni - sounds like a v different composer though I'm gonna use this thread for other italian composers now. 'mari II' for marimba quartet is terrific and I'd love a recommendation or two.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 13:40 (twenty years ago)

Julio you keep burying discussions of my favorite composers in threads about other composers I like less!!!

I should refresh my memory w/another browse through my CDs at home before I make Donatoni recommendations.

Paul in Santa Cruz (Paul in Santa Cruz), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 19:35 (twenty years ago)

Some of my Donatoni favorites:

Feria for 11 instruments, including a slightly incongruous pipe organ (on ADDA 581143) -- typically blocky and brash

Cadeau for 11 instruments (on Erato 2292-45366-2) -- the cut from low brass to high metallic percussion partway through is a favorite moment

Fili for flute and piano -- maybe my single favorite piece by Donatoni; exuberant cascades of notes; the recording by Starreveld and Eckhardt (on Etcetera KTC 1053) is vastly better than that by Artaud and Mefano (ADDA 581143)

Spiri for 10 instruments -- best recording is Etcetera (KTC 1053)

Ave for piccolo, glockenspiel, and celeste (on ADDA 581133) is as sparkling as the instrumention would lead you to suspect, and charming in the way it's always on the verge of morphing into a Schubert tune

I think L'Ultima Sera is maybe the best of the pieces with voice; several recordings available (or unavailable now that they've surely gone out of print).

And I once heard a live performance of a piece called "Hot", by some Italian ensemble on tour. So spectacular, and popular with the audience (I remember Elliott Carter was one of the first on his feet), that they played it again.

By "blocky" I mean two things: (1) he tends to group instruments into sub-ensembles, each moving in a rhythmic unison, to produce a music of thick layers rather than thin lines; and (2) he tends to build larger forms by juxtaposing blocks of different ideas without transition or overlap -- he does this with an excellent sense of timing, I think.

The Etcetera disc I've mentioned a couple of times is probably the one I'd recommend most. The Nieuw Ensemble keeps these pieces moving along. Their recording of Spiri clocks in at 9:20 (compared to 10:31 from Ensemble Alternance on Harmonic CD8616); their Fili is 11:30 (versus a sluggish 12:58 from 2e2m on ADDA).

Paul in Santa Cruz (Paul in Santa Cruz), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 01:10 (twenty years ago)

we should have a listening party sometime paul. do you drink scotch?

milton parker (Jon L), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 03:06 (twenty years ago)

A listening party would be fun. Really, I'd totally do it.

I'm a total novice w/scotch but that could be good too.

Paul in Santa Cruz (Paul in Santa Cruz), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 05:14 (twenty years ago)

donatoni in bringing the people together! so nice...

thanks - i'll have a look.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 06:33 (twenty years ago)

Robert Sherlaw Johnson on Donatoni, written shortly after the Italian composer's death:

http://www.musicaltimes.co.uk/archive/0004/donatoni.html

Paul in Santa Cruz (Paul in Santa Cruz), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 22:29 (twenty years ago)

yes I did google and came up w/that: I'm guessing many of those pieces you talk about are from the mid-70s onwards.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 15 September 2005 09:46 (twenty years ago)

Indeed, I think every piece I mentioned is from his "late period." I've played a very early solo piano piece of his, which is typical Darmstadt serialism (more or less). And the Etcetera disc I've recommended includes "Etwas ruhiger im Ausdruck" (a mechanized deconstruction of a Schoenberg fragment -- which doesn't really sound all *that* much different than his later stuff, although it's darker).

Paul in Santa Cruz (Paul in Santa Cruz), Thursday, 15 September 2005 15:32 (twenty years ago)

three months pass...
So far I have tracked 'cadeau' and 'ave' from the list above. Excellent so far.

Also gave a listen to Dallapiccola's 'Quaderno musicale di annalibera' for piano and its proving to be an excellent set of miniatures. Where to go next?

Bruno Mantovani's 'con leggerezza' (ensemble) seemed ok but I'm probably (finally) getting quite tired of this kind of improv-like ensemble writing.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 12 January 2006 12:14 (nineteen years ago)

three years pass...

http://www.southbankcentre.co.uk/music/productions/philharmonia-music-of-today-41868

Sacco, Vanzetti, Passantino... (Tom D.), Thursday, 7 May 2009 09:29 (sixteen years ago)

Thanks for reminding me Tom - will most likely make it now. See you there?

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 7 May 2009 20:18 (sixteen years ago)


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