Jon Pareles on Coldplay

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Too condescending for my taste, even if this solace-seeking moony-faced Miamian can't stand Coldplay:

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/05/arts/music/05pare.html

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 5 June 2005 13:05 (twenty years ago)

I used to have a login generator bookmarked for that. Must have deleted it. Sod them.

Could probably find it by searching for the article title in Google News - no sucky registration required! If I could be arsed. Sorry.

fandango (fandango), Sunday, 5 June 2005 13:12 (twenty years ago)

As Coldplay's music has grown more colossal, its lyrics have quietly made a shift on "X&Y." On previous albums, Mr. Martin sang mostly in the first person, confessing to private vulnerabilities. This time, he sings a lot about "you": a lover, a brother, a random acquaintance. He has a lot of pronouncements and advice for all of them: "You just want somebody listening to what you say," and "Every step that you take could be your biggest mistake," and "Maybe you'll get what you wanted, maybe you'll stumble upon it" and "You don't have to be alone." It's supposed to be compassionate, empathetic, magnanimous, inspirational. But when the music swells up once more with tremolo guitars and chiming keyboards, and Mr. Martin's voice breaks for the umpteenth time, it sounds like hokum to me.....hahahahahahahahahahahaha

dan bunnybrain (dan bunnybrain), Sunday, 5 June 2005 13:15 (twenty years ago)

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dan bunnybrain (dan bunnybrain), Sunday, 5 June 2005 13:17 (twenty years ago)

By JON PARELES
Published: June 5, 2005
THERE'S nothing wrong with self-pity. As a spur to songwriting, it's right up there with lust, anger and greed, and probably better than the remaining deadly sins. There's nothing wrong, either, with striving for musical grandeur, using every bit of skill and studio illusion to create a sound large enough to get lost in. Male sensitivity, a quality that's under siege in a pop culture full of unrepentant bullying and machismo, shouldn't be dismissed out of hand, no matter how risible it can be in practice. And building a sound on the lessons of past bands is virtually unavoidable.

But put them all together and they add up to Coldplay, the most insufferable band of the decade.

This week Coldplay releases its painstakingly recorded third album, "X&Y" (Capitol), a virtually surefire blockbuster that has corporate fortunes riding on it. (The stock price plunged for EMI Group, Capitol's parent company, when Coldplay announced that the album's release date would be moved from February to June, as it continued to rework the songs.)

"X&Y" is the work of a band that's acutely conscious of the worldwide popularity it cemented with its 2002 album, "A Rush of Blood to the Head," which has sold three million copies in the United States alone. Along with its 2000 debut album, "Parachutes," Coldplay claims sales of 20 million albums worldwide. "X&Y" makes no secret of grand ambition.

Clearly, Coldplay is beloved: by moony high school girls and their solace-seeking parents, by hip-hop producers who sample its rich instrumental sounds and by emo rockers who admire Chris Martin's heart-on-sleeve lyrics. The band emanates good intentions, from Mr. Martin's political statements to lyrics insisting on its own benevolence. Coldplay is admired by everyone - everyone except me.

It's not for lack of skill. The band proffers melodies as imposing as Romanesque architecture, solid and symmetrical. Mr. Martin on keyboards, Jonny Buckland on guitar, Guy Berryman on bass and Will Champion on drums have mastered all the mechanics of pop songwriting, from the instrumental hook that announces nearly every song they've recorded to the reassurance of a chorus to the revitalizing contrast of a bridge. Their arrangements ascend and surge, measuring out the song's yearning and tension, cresting and easing back and then moving toward a chiming resolution. Coldplay is meticulously unified, and its songs have been rigorously cleared of anything that distracts from the musical drama.

Unfortunately, all that sonic splendor orchestrates Mr. Martin's voice and lyrics. He places his melodies near the top of his range to sound more fragile, so the tunes straddle the break between his radiant tenor voice and his falsetto. As he hops between them - in what may be Coldplay's most annoying tic - he makes a sound somewhere between a yodel and a hiccup. And the lyrics can make me wish I didn't understand English. Coldplay's countless fans seem to take comfort when Mr. Martin sings lines like, "Is there anybody out there who / Is lost and hurt and lonely too," while a strummed acoustic guitar telegraphs his aching sincerity. Me, I hear a passive-aggressive blowhard, immoderately proud as he flaunts humility. "I feel low," he announces in the chorus of "Low," belied by the peak of a crescendo that couldn't be more triumphant about it.

In its early days, Coldplay could easily be summed up as Radiohead minus Radiohead's beat, dissonance or arty subterfuge. Both bands looked to the overarching melodies of 1970's British rock and to the guitar dynamics of U2, and Mr. Martin had clearly heard both Bono's delivery and the way Radiohead's Thom Yorke stretched his voice to the creaking point.

Unlike Radiohead, though, Coldplay had no interest in being oblique or barbed. From the beginning, Coldplay's songs topped majesty with moping: "We're sinking like stones," Mr. Martin proclaimed. Hardly alone among British rock bands as the 1990's ended, Coldplay could have been singing not only about private sorrows but also about the final sunset on the British empire: the old opulence meeting newly shrunken horizons. Coldplay's songs wallowed happily in their unhappiness.

"Am I a part of the cure / Or am I part of the disease," Mr. Martin pondered in "Clocks" on "A Rush of Blood to the Head." Actually, he's contagious. Particularly in its native England, Coldplay has spawned a generation of one-word bands - Athlete, Embrace, Keane, Starsailor, Travis and Aqualung among them - that are more than eager to follow through on Coldplay's tremulous, ringing anthems of insecurity. The emulation is spreading overseas to bands like the Perishers from Sweden and the American band Blue Merle, which tries to be Coldplay unplugged.

A band shouldn't necessarily be blamed for its imitators - ask the Cure or the Grateful Dead. But Coldplay follow-throughs are redundant; from the beginning, Coldplay has verged on self-parody. When he moans his verses, Mr. Martin can sound so sorry for himself that there's hardly room to sympathize for him, and when he's not mixing metaphors, he fearlessly slings clichés. "Are you lost or incomplete," Mr. Martin sings in "Talk," which won't be cited in any rhyming dictionaries. "Do you feel like a puzzle / you can't find your missing piece."

Coldplay reached its musical zenith with the widely sampled piano arpeggios that open "Clocks": a passage that rings gladly and, as it descends the scale and switches from major to minor chords, turns incipiently mournful. Of course, it's followed by plaints: "Tides that I tried to swim against / Brought me down upon my knees."

On "X&Y," Coldplay strives to carry the beauty of "Clocks" across an entire album - not least in its first single, "Speed of Sound," which isn't the only song on the album to borrow the "Clocks" drumbeat. The album is faultless to a fault, with instrumental tracks purged of any glimmer of human frailty. There is not an unconsidered or misplaced note on "X&Y," and every song (except the obligatory acoustic "hidden track" at the end, which is still by no means casual) takes place on a monumental soundstage.

As Coldplay's recording budgets have grown, so have its reverberation times. On "X&Y," it plays as if it can already hear the songs echoing across the world. "Square One," which opens the album, actually begins with guitar notes hinting at the cosmic fanfare of "Also Sprach Zarathustra" (and "2001: A Space Odyssey"). Then Mr. Martin, never someone to evade the obvious, sings about "the space in which we're traveling."

As a blockbuster band, Coldplay is now looking over its shoulder at titanic predecessors like U2, Pink Floyd and the Beatles, pilfering freely from all of them. It also looks to an older legacy; in many songs, organ chords resonate in the spaces around Mr. Martin's voice, insisting on churchly reverence.

As Coldplay's music has grown more colossal, its lyrics have quietly made a shift on "X&Y." On previous albums, Mr. Martin sang mostly in the first person, confessing to private vulnerabilities. This time, he sings a lot about "you": a lover, a brother, a random acquaintance. He has a lot of pronouncements and advice for all of them: "You just want somebody listening to what you say," and "Every step that you take could be your biggest mistake," and "Maybe you'll get what you wanted, maybe you'll stumble upon it" and "You don't have to be alone." It's supposed to be compassionate, empathetic, magnanimous, inspirational. But when the music swells up once more with tremolo guitars and chiming keyboards, and Mr. Martin's voice breaks for the umpteenth time, it sounds like hokum to me.

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Sunday, 5 June 2005 13:24 (twenty years ago)

Coldplay has spawned a generation of one-word bands - Athlete, Embrace, Keane, Starsailor, Travis and Aqualung among them

I see the same fact checker Kelefah used was hard at work here.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 5 June 2005 13:27 (twenty years ago)

Wot, no Gay Dad?

joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Sunday, 5 June 2005 14:00 (twenty years ago)

No that was just the drummer.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 5 June 2005 14:02 (twenty years ago)

Me, I hear a passive-aggressive blowhard, immoderately proud as he flaunts humility.

if THIS is what mr. pareles holds against chris martin, i wonder what he thinks of morrissey!

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 5 June 2005 14:36 (twenty years ago)

I see the same fact checker Kelefah used was hard at work here.

Yeah, that sentence stuck out the most for me as well.

As Coldplay's recording budgets have grown, so have its reverberation times. On "X&Y," it plays as if it can already hear the songs echoing across the world.

This effectively sums up the album and is all that anybody (fan or not) needs to know.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Sunday, 5 June 2005 15:00 (twenty years ago)

"everyone except me"

Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Sunday, 5 June 2005 15:02 (twenty years ago)

he's the only one who has had his shots.

keith m (keithmcl), Sunday, 5 June 2005 15:15 (twenty years ago)

Um, "widely sampled piano arpeggios" on "Clocks" - widely sampled by whom? Besides Brandy? Widely?

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Sunday, 5 June 2005 15:16 (twenty years ago)

he would've been on stronger ground if he said "beloved by hip-hop performers and producers," w/t this business of being "widely sampled."

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 5 June 2005 15:44 (twenty years ago)

"widely sampled piano arpeggios" on "Clocks" - widely sampled by whom? Besides Brandy? Widely?


arg.....ringtones.

william (william), Sunday, 5 June 2005 16:21 (twenty years ago)

also take note that a few pages later in the issue, pareles talks about fergie being the best part of the black-eyed peas. maybe what coldplay needs is an overtanned midriff-barer!!!!

maura (maura), Sunday, 5 June 2005 16:35 (twenty years ago)

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Dame un poquito mas lo que tu tienes por ahi
porque contigo yo quiero bailar ...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 5 June 2005 16:46 (twenty years ago)

It's a slightly sloppy piece, but I'm heartened by the sheer viciousness of the beatdown. We need more of that in the NY Times.

joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Sunday, 5 June 2005 16:51 (twenty years ago)

The best part of the whole thing is that there's a huge, page-length advert for X&Y on the back cover of the same section that pans it...

PB, Sunday, 5 June 2005 16:52 (twenty years ago)

I just laugh at all those references to 'Mr' Martin. As someone who must have been referred to by his surname on every school day of his privately educated childhood, this touchingly ridiculous NYT foible must count as some kind of vindication, even as his drab music gets a pasting.

snotty moore, Sunday, 5 June 2005 20:22 (twenty years ago)

Sunday's Observer Review said that they're becoming safe and predictable. Er, wasn't that always their main selling point?

Ben Dot (1977), Monday, 6 June 2005 01:28 (twenty years ago)

Coldplay has spawned a generation of one-word bands - Athlete, Embrace, Keane, Starsailor, Travis and Aqualung among them

Not to mention the fact that Embrace's latest album is better than X&Y. Oh, and "The Good Will Out" (1998) was better than "Parachutes" (2000.)

That lame sentence is about as novel as the first butthole who claimed there was an abundance of "the" bands circa 2001.


don weiner (don weiner), Monday, 6 June 2005 01:38 (twenty years ago)

Brandy sampled "Clocks"? Where? What song? I love that piano riff.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 6 June 2005 01:58 (twenty years ago)

Seems like the definitive dissertation on How Coldplay Eat It has arrived at last.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Monday, 6 June 2005 02:33 (twenty years ago)

Brandy sampled 'Clocks' on 'Should I Go?', the last track on her unjustly slept-on last album.

PeopleFunnyBoy (PeopleFunnyBoy), Monday, 6 June 2005 02:54 (twenty years ago)

i tell people at my store who are looking for the new coldplay album to buy the ocean blue instead.

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Monday, 6 June 2005 03:00 (twenty years ago)


I never knew Mr Pareles was such a MANLY MANG - Male sensitivity, a quality that's under siege in a pop culture full of unrepentant bullying and machismo, shouldn't be dismissed out of hand, no matter how risible it can be in practice

Vichitravirya XI, Monday, 6 June 2005 03:11 (twenty years ago)

http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/entertainment/11806602.htm

A rock rarity

Coldplay boasts a most unusual creature: A front man lacking a super-sized ego. Ahead of the band's new CD, Chris Martin ponders what fame - and Gwyneth Paltrow - hath wrought.

By Dan DeLuca

Inquirer Music Critic

Chris Martin is sitting with his mates at the Brooklyn Academy of Music during a taping of VH1's Storytellers heralding his band's expected-to-be-huge third album, X&Y, which arrives Tuesday.

He ponders a fan's question: "What do you guys feel each member contributes to make Coldplay great?"

It has to do with "a chemistry we can't understand," says the gap-toothed, blue-eyed singer, pianist and husband of Gwyneth Paltrow. He looks over at guitarist Jonny Buckland, bass player Guy Berryman, and drummer Will Champion.

"Some of us are more outgoing, some of us are more reserved, some of us more technologically capable," the 28-year-old Englishman says. "Some of us can do a back flip. And all of these things combine to make us the 78th-best band ever."

That's a typically disarming display from the leader of the most modest, unassuming contenders for the title of biggest rock band in the world.

Every now and then, Martin - the son of an accountant father and music-therapist mother whose band's first two albums, Parachutes and A Rush of Blood to the Head, sold a combined 6.1 million copies in the United States - can rev himself up for a grandiose, rock-star-style statement. Such as: "We're aiming for U2."

And on X&Y, you can hear the stadium-size ambition. There's the grand sweep of the album opener, "Square One," and the way Buckland's Edge-like staccato guitar attack takes the fragile ballad "Fix You" to the 700 level, juicing up the piano-powered, soft-rock sound Coldplay trademarked with hits such as "Yellow" and "Clocks."

But when Martin sits for an interview a week after the VH1 taping in a Manhattan hotel room - Paltrow and Apple, the couple's 1-year-old daughter, are perhaps home at their Greenwich Village apartment - he scurries to explain himself.

"That was meant to be very complimentary," he says. "U2 is the highest point to aim for. They're on my list of my six favorite bands, or people." The others? "Bob Marley and Bob Dylan. Kraftwerk" - whose "Computer Love" is subtly sampled on "Talk," one of X&Y's most compelling tracks - "Brian Eno, U2, Radiohead. And [atmospheric Icelandic quartet] Sigur Rós - that's seven!"

The man can count.

But Martin wouldn't presume to say that Coldplay - who are among the headliners at Live 8 in London on July 2 and play the Tweeter Center in Camden on Aug. 7 - are as good as U2. Just as he disputes the assertion by the music magazine Blender that he's "the nicest guy in rock."

"That's probably Dave Grohl, or Wayne Coyne [of the Flaming Lips]. Or Bono or the Edge. They're all nicer than me, I'm sure," he says.

And while saying that his niceness is overrated, Martin - who rarely drinks, doesn't do drugs, and is a yoga devotee who surfs whenever he can - also contends that he's not even the coolest member of his own family: "My younger brother is much cooler than me. When he comes on tour with us, he's called the Anti-Chris. He's exciting, and I'm boring."

Tell that to the starry-eyed females assembled at the VH1 taping. They're playing air-piano, thought balloons above their heads reading, "Die, Gwyneth, die!" as Martin's supple tenor elevates skyward on the band's understated current single "Speed of Sound."

Martin's self-deprecation isn't entirely misplaced. The band's songs, which are credited to all four members, deliver big, swaying choruses, but there's nothing extreme or outrageous about Coldplay. Martin is prone to go on about his favorite political topic of fair trade - he draws an equal sign on his left hand every morning to remind himself of the issue - but he displays not a smidgen of Bono's narcissistic pomposity.

Coldplay is like U2 without the hubris, Radiohead freed from paranoia. X&Y is sure to extend the band's reach, but it essentially delivers what you expect: a pretty, comforting set of earnest songs about, in Martin's words, "existence and girls."

If X&Y doesn't sound the least bit tortured, it was nonetheless torturous to make, Martin says. It was begun early last year, and worked on obsessively in Chicago, New York, Liverpool and London. It was scheduled to come out in March but the band hadn't finished, which led to reports that the share price of EMI, their beleaguered record company, was suffering. "Codswaddle," says Martin: "I don't see how one band can bankrupt a record company, especially if they're on the same label as the Beatles."

Partly personal

Part of the reason for the long incubatory period for X&Y had to do with Martin's personal life.

"I married somebody really famous," says Martin, sporting five-day stubble and sipping mineral water. "And that affected my work in the sense of making me want to shut all the doors and just bury myself away."

Martin, who met Paltrow, 33, backstage at a Coldplay concert in 2002, was famous before, "but music famous is a very nice famous. It's kind of cool, you know? Relationship famous is horrible. It's horrible. I'm not complaining about it. It made me think: Oh, thank goodness I'm in a band."

When he and Paltrow - who live mainly in London - married in December 2003, it drove Martin apart from his mates, whom he met while studying ancient history at the University of London in the '90s. "Not because of them, just because of me. With that new tabloid interest, none of us knew how to deal with it."

They learned to block out distractions. "We need to concentrate to make sure that our records are passionate and good, because this other stuff we have around us isn't that healthy. And it's just made us a lot closer... . I now have two things in my life I can't believe that I have: My band and my baby."

Feeling extremely

Speaking of whom: Why Apple? "Why Susie?" asks Martin. "Why Sarah? Why not Apple?"

He says her birth has affected his work. "It's made me feel everything more extremely. Good things seem better, bad things seem worse. It makes everything seem brighter, more in contrast. And the album is all about contrast. That's why it's called X&Y."

Chromosomes? Algebraic variables? "All of them," he says.

Since 2002's A Rush of Blood to the Head, the band's soft rock sound has been supplanted in the hearts of Anglophiles by a new batch of spiky, post-punk redux bands, such as Franz Ferdinand and Bloc Party.

"I can't get enough of it," Martin says, with guileless enthusiasm. "They're edgier and we're softer. We need them and they need us."

Martin's married to a movie star and is a fan of Woody Allen movies (as well as Arthur Conan Doyle's Sherlock Holmes stories), but he has no plans to embark on a film career of his own. "There's enough people that hate Coldplay already without encouraging them," he says.

For X&Y, Martin had to write about his personal life again. Although he won't comment on specific songs, it's widely assumed that "Fix You" - the second single, and "the most important song we've ever done" - is about helping Paltrow get over the 2002 death of her father, Bruce.

With the album finally coming out, Martin says he's filled with "terror and impatience."

"I only want to be the biggest band in the world if we're the best band in the world... . I don't want to get there by singing some song I hate.

"I like the idea of lots of people singing together... . My dream is to make music that does what my favorite music does for me. When you listen to it alone, you feel those emotions, like it's just there for you. Then you go into a big room and you think: Everyone else is feeling just the same as me. Because you want to feel like you're not alone in the world."

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Monday, 6 June 2005 03:27 (twenty years ago)

Hardly alone among British rock bands as the 1990's ended, Coldplay could have been singing not only about private sorrows but also about the final sunset on the British empire: the old opulence meeting newly shrunken horizons.

I think this is one of the most extraordinary statements I've ever read in a review. If this was a review of Rudyard Kipling or George Orwell it would make sense, but Coldplay in 2005, I think not. The empire is a distant memory, the sun has long since set. It's not something which impinges on the conciousness of most Brit's. Fear of being eclipsed by the tiger economies of the far east perhaps, but that's not something which is unique to the UK.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Monday, 6 June 2005 04:26 (twenty years ago)

If it had been a Kinks review it would have made extreme sense. Has Mr Pareles been assigned the Crazy Frog album to review then?

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 6 June 2005 07:01 (twenty years ago)

One thing I liked about the review at the top is that for a blanket dismissal the writer has gone to the trouble to do quite a close reading. A lot of the time I dislike such articles even when I hate the band it's demolishing because there's no actual attempt to come to grips with the music, so it's hard to imagine anyone who isn't already a card-carrying member of the cult of hate understanding what on earth the writer is going on about.

That said it's not a particularly groundbreaking close reading (but that's even less common).

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 6 June 2005 07:17 (twenty years ago)

I think one major critical problem may be trying to equate Martin's little-boy-lost sherbert-in-throat vocal style ("Permanent Smile," e.g.) with his rock-aristo-film-star-missus actuality.

And not one mention of Kraftwerk either. I thought he would have jumped on the "Computer Love" realignment. Must! Try! Harder! Lad!

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 6 June 2005 07:20 (twenty years ago)

the british empire has had a lot of sunsets, eh?

i liked the close reading, i only wish it were tied a little less closely to the general thrust of the piece, which was almost unremittingly negative.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 6 June 2005 07:40 (twenty years ago)

I don't see how you can have a positive close reading of something that a reviewer doesn't like.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 6 June 2005 07:44 (twenty years ago)

i just mean the reading needn't be tied so closely to a *judgement*

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 6 June 2005 08:03 (twenty years ago)

You think he made his judgement before he did the reading, then?

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 6 June 2005 08:08 (twenty years ago)

Oi, Wiener! I did this - http://www.stylusmagazine.com/review.php?ID=208 - AGES ago!

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Monday, 6 June 2005 08:42 (twenty years ago)

Yes, but that was the second go at it, as I recall...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Monday, 6 June 2005 16:43 (twenty years ago)

There's a difference between modesty and obnoxious self-deprecation, and I know which side Chris Martin falls on.

mike h. (mike h.), Monday, 6 June 2005 18:24 (twenty years ago)

I see the same fact checker Kelefah used was hard at work here.

Spot the irony here. (hint: it's Kelefa, no H)

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Monday, 6 June 2005 18:38 (twenty years ago)

Heheheh. Yay mistakes!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 6 June 2005 18:40 (twenty years ago)

would that all hints were so subtle!

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 6 June 2005 18:55 (twenty years ago)

x & y is a masterpiece.

People who slag it off are the kind of people that think Abbey Road, Achtung Baby, and Automatic for the People are overly commercial.

People who think great melodies are crass.

People who think selling millions of cds automatically makes your music valueless.

People who think everything should sound like Autechre.

Music snobs.

thealfonso, Monday, 6 June 2005 19:21 (twenty years ago)

and that's just the A's!!

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 6 June 2005 19:22 (twenty years ago)

"Mr. Martin"???

Gimme a fucking break. Rock critics are morons.

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 03:05 (twenty years ago)

"but music famous is a very nice famous. It's kind of cool, you know? Relationship famous is horrible. It's horrible. I'm not complaining about it. It made me think: Oh, thank goodness I'm in a band."

The man must have WWSTS? written on his hand during interviews.

"What Would Spinal Tap Say?"

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 03:12 (twenty years ago)

18,000 copies sold in Tescos yesterday at £6.97 a throw! "How I abhor Kapitalism," murmurs "Mr Martin" as his butler brings him a banana and scotch at eight p.m. sharp.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 04:53 (twenty years ago)

Gimme a fucking break. Rock critics are morons


That makes many more than two of us. Read the Times stylebook, cretin.



Harry Klam, Tuesday, 7 June 2005 04:57 (twenty years ago)

and out came the Coldplay fan trolls...

Cool Hand Luuke (ex machina), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 05:09 (twenty years ago)

The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb,
The leopard shall lie down with the young goat,
The calf and the young lion and the fatling together;
And a little child shall lead them.

jack cole (jackcole), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 05:13 (twenty years ago)

SFJ on the new Coldplay:
http://www.newyorker.com/goingson/recordings/?050613gore_GOAT_recordings

WARM MILK
“Comfort music” sounds like an insult, no matter how you spin it. But it’s an insult that the enormously popular English quartet Coldplay is probably willing to endure, given that it has sold twenty million records filled with music that is sometimes sweet, sometimes warm, and sometimes fuzzy. And although this isn’t the kind of thing that earns critical adoration, it’s also true that Coldplay is expert at the form. Only a churl could resist their best singles: “Yellow,” a piercingly sincere bit of high-school poetry that is just as moving as they intended it to be, and the airy, hypnotic “Clocks.” Chris Martin, the affable lead vocalist, provides strong vocals that are feminine without being annoyingly sensitive, and the band’s musical landscape is soothing but not soporific, subtly packed with hooks and catchy bits.

Up until now, this has been healthy. But on Coldplay’s third album, “X&Y” (Capitol), the band has apparently caught the virus Significatio terribilis, a condition that previously afflicted bands such as U2. While Bono and his friends have always had an unusual capacity for world-encompassing bombast, Coldplay’s more modest charm doesn’t benefit from being supersized. Martin’s lyrics, once introspective mash notes, now sound like a thousand coffee-mug mottoes strung together, inspirational at first blush but completely devoid of substance. The band is like a character actor desperate for a romantic lead and pulling out all the stops. And the stops are all here: the strings, the orchestral swoops, the cavernous soundscapes. Much of the problem stems from pacing: almost every song can be classified as a ballad or, when the band is feeling especially frisky, a mid-tempo track. This is not to say that the album is entirely unappealing; a few songs, including “Speed of Sound” and “Talk” (the latter has the album’s best hook, although it’s lifted from Kraftwerk’s “Computer Love”), are successes of a sort. But what sort? Sadly, the generic sort. In the end, it’s hard to say what any of “X&Y” is about, except the fact that Martin can write a dozen songs’ worth of vaguely reassuring lyrics (“When you try your best but you don’t succeed / When you get what you want but not what you need”). There are moments of real beauty, like Jonny Buckland’s closing guitar line in “Low,” and for a moment the goosebumps start to rise. But they go down soon enough.

C0L1N B... (C0L1N B...), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 05:37 (twenty years ago)

Only a churl could resist their best singles

HOORAY! (There's not enough room for churlism in this life and no critic is my moral arbiter.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 06:31 (twenty years ago)

STOP FUCKING USING "IT" WHEN TALKING ABOUT A BAND.

Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 09:44 (twenty years ago)

Thinking only a churl could resist their best singles is the kind of thinking that leads "Mr. Martin" to say stupid shit about being too feminine for the masculine and too masculine for the feminine. They're hardly Sex Revolts material, for fuck's sake.

Deluxe (Damian), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 10:11 (twenty years ago)

Yeah otm. X and Y is no different from the other 2 records except that it sees them go global.

Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 10:15 (twenty years ago)

>X and Y is no different from the other 2 records except that it sees them go global.

It is, actually, pretty different from the other two. It's not a death metal record or anything, but there are sounds present that were not present on the first two albums. I got it on Saturday and was listening to it last night on the train for about the third time. It's a good album. I didn't pay any attention to the lyrics, though. Maybe if I had, the scales would have fallen from my eyes (ears?) and I could have shouted along with ILM, "Aaaaahhh, Coldplay sucks."

pdf (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 10:43 (twenty years ago)

Aside from selling bazillions, Coldplay exist mainly to give critics something mainstream to write about. They're a perfect blank slate to spatter theories on.

Ian in Brooklyn, Tuesday, 7 June 2005 12:20 (twenty years ago)

For some reason, of all the bands that just rub people the wrong way, Coldplay seems to rub many in the most wrong way possible (insert MJ joke here).

Personally, I don't get the anti-fuss. The album is pretty, and nowhere near as annoying as, say, Keane, the Up With People of wimpy British rock. Reminds me a good deal of Interpol, hook-wise, though no one seems to be mentioning them. But I stand by my initial reaction on another Coldplay thread that the lyrics are disturbingly banal, cliched, trite, etc. (which is arguably better than Interpol's just-plain-bad lyrics). Though it is fun to play guess the rhyme!

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 12:56 (twenty years ago)

pfork sez:
most of their recorded output is better exemplified by the Guide's description of Earth: "Mostly harmless

which, while perhaps fundamentally agreeing with, i found immediately irksome (and it wasn't the double 'most'): it's the kind of argument i see used again pop very often - "safe", "controlled", "measured". i think there's a bigger discussion about music and peceived notions of 'danger' to be had.

jermaine (jnoble), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 14:26 (twenty years ago)

I think there is as well. When I talked about "Speed Of Sound" for Stylus' singles thing I flippantly said, well, why would I want to listen to a Coldplay record when I could soothe my low-level angst by a walk or a drink or a wank?

I think Coldplay's records are quite good at evoking big unspecified feelings but the reason I don't like them is that I think their restraint and measure often takes them into emotional territories I don't usually look to music to deal with - other real-life stress removers do it a lot better.

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 14:31 (twenty years ago)

This is a bit cart before the horse, isn't it? I mean, I see what you're saying, but while I might have thought differently in the past about this conception in the general sense (I'm not entirely sure), the very idea of using a Coldplay song as angst relief is utterly alien to me.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 14:34 (twenty years ago)

I tended to use angsty records as a kind of empathy injection - someone nailing 'that feeling', musically or lyrically. Coldplay's music I can imagine doing that for a lot of people, which is part of why they're huge, but I'm saying they're so diffuse that they stop being useful in that way for me.

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 14:40 (twenty years ago)

Evoking big unspecified feelings is a trait of bad art. Martin's lyrics are shite. Okay, lyrics aren't the be all and end all, but Coldplay foreground that shit.

Jetlag Willy (noodle vague), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 14:45 (twenty years ago)

I'm not sure how useful it is to think of pop music as art.

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 14:48 (twenty years ago)

Hm. But how useful is it to think of it in utilitarian terms?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 14:49 (twenty years ago)

I use art to cover all the created media, I don't know what other word to use.

Jetlag Willy (noodle vague), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 14:50 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I understand that, I think there's a place for "big unspecified feelings" within created media though.

I find the utilitarian approach loads more useful Ned - what am I actually getting out of something? How is it affecting me, can I share it with friends, can I dance to it?

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 14:55 (twenty years ago)

(not that dancing to something is its only use-value, it's one of many)

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 15:01 (twenty years ago)

I've heard the utilitarian argument before many times -- first time was probably back in 1989 or so when my roommate's girlfriend, a classically trained sort, talked about Paula Abdul as 'perfectly functional pop,' and meant this as unironic praise. To my mind, talking about pop as such slightly beggars the idea that it can't be art because of the ideas needed in order to catch the interest, especially since by default this is a luxury commodity and therefore not as 'necessary' as other things. The necessity of art is less clear, to be honest! Slight x-post I suppose.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 15:03 (twenty years ago)

It's not that my reaction to music is any different Ned, it's just a way of thinking about and framing that reaction.

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 15:06 (twenty years ago)

I suppose part of it strikes me as...not 'bloodless,' that's too loaded. But as Mr. Radical Subjectivist ;-) the thing is I *am* asking all those questions, but not framing them as such in my head, or as a utilitarian set of goals (as for sharing it with friends, I will talk about something but I'm not automatically expecting people to go for it -- it's always a pleasant surprise when they do!).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 15:09 (twenty years ago)

Utilitarianism always makes me antsy, tho I can see what Tom's driving at, now. Perhaps it's not the big and unspecified that I dislike, but the assumptions about "human nature" or "common experience" that bother me. Hmmmm, I don't like epic sentiments in Rock but find them vaguely more acceptable in Dance because in Dance the sentiments can be reduced to the performative space, i.e. the Club?

Jetlag Willy (noodle vague), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 15:11 (twenty years ago)

Yes, I think that lyrics which try and make some vast statement about human nature are on the whole bad, so if that's what you meant I agree with you. I think Coldplay do most of their emotional work instrumentally though.

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 15:14 (twenty years ago)

I can only say why I hate Coldplay.

I remember when they first came about, playing their NME tour - pre-Yellow - with JJ72 and, I think, Terris (NME had JJ72 and Terris poised for world domination and Coldplay seemed to be thrown in there as an aside. Oops).

Chris Martin seemed so false back then - as if he had studied and copied the Morrissey guide to success as other Moz-wannabes have too. Right down to his, "I'm so shy/ useless with girls/ didn't lose my virginity until I was 22/ no one loved me, really/ I have it so hard" etc etc

Then when "Parachutes" exploded he had his dick in Natalie Imbruglia and it seemed like there was a bit of a masterplan going on here. Him, and him only, was the face of Coldplay... he was the guy giving interviews... he changed from the po-faced virgin to the man about town but the lyrics and sentiments of the angsty songs stayed the same - even when he was boning his Oscar winning wife.

To put it blunt - Martin never had any reason to be depressed or angsty. He still doesn't. He's a lucky bastard, which is not reason for me to hate him - not at all, more power to him. But therein lies how false all of this 'woe is me' music really is.

Plus, Coldplay led to Keane and Starsailor and The Snow Patrol which is unforgivable. It is music designed to sell to as many braindead car drivers as possible, there is no soul there, no feeling, no truth, no emotion - it is just Chris trying to out sell U2 as these interviews indicate.

And if your sole reason for making music is to out sell U2 then no wonder so man fucking people hate you, you dull ugly bastard.

Thanks

Music Mick, Tuesday, 7 June 2005 15:22 (twenty years ago)

On the other hand, maybe I should give 'em another try.

Jetlag Willy (noodle vague), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 15:24 (twenty years ago)

I'm afraid "safe"/"harmless"/"comfort food" etc. is becoming an all-too-convenient shortcut regarding C01dplay. Nobody was whining about, say, Beth Orton's first album being safe. How about finding some better reasons to dislike them - for instance, the awfulness of the lyrics or the vocals?

joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 15:34 (twenty years ago)

On the other hand, maybe I should give 'em another try.

That might be cutting off Calum's nose to spite your face.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 15:42 (twenty years ago)

Martin's lyrics are shite.

I liked the first two albums well enough and more for the pretty, facile pop acessibility than anything else but the lyrics are really mediocre and I have given up. I don't mind Martin's hypocrisy so much but the sheer snivellingness of it all is off-putting. I was a huge Smiths fan as a teen but at least Morriseey's lyrics bounced between adolescent depsair and humor. Many epithets have been hurled Chris MArtin's way, but funny ain't one of them. When I heard 'Talk' earlier this year, I knew I was never going to buy or borrow this album and it was Martin's lyrics that did it. As he crooned "Let's talk" all I could think was, "Chris, substitute the the 't' in 'Let's' with an 's' and you'd have a better idea."

M. White (Miguelito), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 15:48 (twenty years ago)

That's a very good point. "Mr. Martin" is jaw-droppingly humorless. Even that "masculine/feminine haircut" comment on CNN was, after all, an attempt at a joke - it may not have registered as such because it was an awful joke, but that's what he was going for...

joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 15:52 (twenty years ago)

I accept that this is unthought-out nonsense, but I just had an idea: what makes so many people react so strongly against Coldplay is wrapped up in what we believe others see in them.

If music appreciation is best understood as an interaction between the performer and the listener where the listener's role is most important, in that they read their own desires or beliefs or ideology into the music they hear, especially the music they actively seek out or buy, then what offends us about certain acts is the world-view we believe they represent. Calum succinctly summed up some of those beliefs re: Coldplay, although he did it with contradictory premises and did it because he believes in a set of groups who might just as well represent the same world-view.

Hmmm, this is getting a bit tangled. Still, Coldplay hate as rejection of domesticity? (Opposite of the endlessly f(l)ailing myth of Rebel Music?)

Jetlag Willy (noodle vague), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 15:59 (twenty years ago)

I don't think coldplay are really any worse than a lot of guitar/bass/drums 4/4 "rock" music being released now. I don't get the h8, I mean they're ok, pleasant & stuff. they don't rock. Their records don't sound like ass, but they don't sound, like, beautiful, or exciting or anything. I can't imagine ever wanting to buy one of them. They're just so...unexceptional, but then so's a lot of stuff really, an awful lot of stuff at the moment, for my tastes. I can't remember the last new mainstream indie-ish foursquare rock band who had anything to offer me. Coldplay are just part of all this...stuff.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 16:02 (twenty years ago)

But they're the inexplicably hugely popular wing of this stuff. That helps to generate the hate.

Jetlag Willy (noodle vague), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 16:05 (twenty years ago)

To me, it all seems like people getting bent out of shape when they discover that low fat, diet vanilla yoghurt doesn't tatse much like a filet mignon.

Ian in Brooklyn, Tuesday, 7 June 2005 16:57 (twenty years ago)

i like sfj's review there. i feel like he understands what's worthwhile about the band at their best.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 17:02 (twenty years ago)

kalefa's is still my fav

mark p (Mark P), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 17:05 (twenty years ago)

not fav enough to justify learning his name! sorry, nothing personal, it just bugs me

joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 17:09 (twenty years ago)

point, joseph cotten.

kelefa.

mark p (Mark P), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 17:10 (twenty years ago)

(altho that could change if ned ragget writes something abt them)

mark p (Mark P), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 17:11 (twenty years ago)

Well I could...hey!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 17:13 (twenty years ago)

(My putative review would begin, "As I finished beating my wife and gorging myself on still living veal, I went about my business of pissing in the open mouths of Chris Martin and his idiot companions. And people accuse me of being immoral!")

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 17:14 (twenty years ago)

(It would end with, "Then I considered Swift's excellent and sober minded treatise 'A Modest Proposal' to consider what to do with Martin's spawn Apple.")

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 17:15 (twenty years ago)

Whaddya mean you don't like babies? Have you ever had a slow roasted baby in bbq sauce?

M. White (Miguelito), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 17:43 (twenty years ago)

I would enjoy the cracklings.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 17:46 (twenty years ago)

nine months pass...
I love Coldplay! i think they're music rocks and i think Jonny Buckland is the fittest man in the world followed by Chris Martin and Guy Berryman. Good luck dudes?

Love you lot so much when you are live in gigs? Please, please play here at Solihull/Birmingham i am getting mad.

Love Jonny Buckland's lover girl
Katie Patricia Neale Venables age 14 nearly 15 in a months time.

Katie Patricia Neale Venables, Monday, 13 March 2006 17:45 (twenty years ago)

Katie... it's you? My favorite fan? I knew I would find you somehow in this crazy world we call the internet!

Will you marry me?

We shall name our first child Eustace Pear Kumquat Buckland

Jbuckland, Monday, 13 March 2006 18:24 (twenty years ago)

Good luck dudes?

You sound unsure of yourself.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 13 March 2006 19:20 (twenty years ago)

it's the sequel to Knockaround Guys

Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 13 March 2006 19:33 (twenty years ago)

I love Coldplay! i think they're music rocks

This is the key, actually: they are not music people, they are music rocks!

Paul in Santa Cruz (Paul in Santa Cruz), Monday, 13 March 2006 19:51 (twenty years ago)


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