In Praise of.....The Record by FEAR

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Inspired on its placement on this thread....

Would trade your music collection for every album Robert Christgau declared a "Must To Avoid"?

....and this quote handily cited by Miccio....

The Record [Slash, 1982]
I know why Belushi liked this band--Lee Ving sings like a Punk Brother. And in the tradition of Belushi, who was such a great actor he convinced me he really was a childish glutton, Ving convinces me that he really does hate (and fear) "queers," "sluts," etc. As a moralistic square, I protest--especially given music that at its most original echoes either Mars or the Dead Kennedys. C+

...I thought I'd uninvitedly climb up that soapbox onto a high horse and declare my undying adoration for The Record by FEAR. SCREW YOU, Christgau, and your jackass grading system! And riddle me this, Batman....how is it that he reviles FEAR for their cartoonish idiocy yet gave License to Ill by the Beastie Boys an A+? (Look it up in his record guide, if'n ya don't believe me). Man!

But anyway, fuck that guy. This thread's not about him. This thread is a tip of the hat to that gorgeous, wanton slab of ludicrous xenophobia, The Record, which is only truly offensive if you take it seriously (think: Andrew Dice Clay). Whether Lee Ving and company really are those guys is almost a moot point (given the fact that non-idiot Flea was in briefly in the ranks of FEAR suggests that a healthy percentage of FEAR's schtick was just that....schtick. I think Lee Ving is a furious right-wing'er, but I'm not sure how much of that is played up for his onstage persona. But once again -- it doesn't matter. Why doesn't it matter? Because it's a great fucking record (in my opinon), that's why. Would I play it at the U.N.? No, but that doesn't make it any less hilarious and any less rockin'.

FEAR didn't even really fit in with the rest of the Punk/Hardcore folks....they simply hated EVERYbody. They were equal opportunity hatemongers. Moreover, unlike lots of their L.A. punkster peers, FEAR had the rare distinction of actually knowing how to play, and play reasonably well (funny how Christgau couldn't resist throwing in a meaningless No Wave allusion to New Yorkers in Mars? FEAR and Mars couldn't sound less alike). The DK's and FEAR have a bit more in common, I'd agree (no workaday Hardcore soundlikes in the DK's either). Not unlike the Misfits, FEAR featured a vocalist who could truly sing and a guitar player (where are you today, Philo Cramer?) with actual style. And yes, they were idiots -- but certainly no more so than the similarly inclined mooks in Guns'n'Roses (who'd later cover them).

Then, of course, there are the actual tunes. "Let's Have a War," the opener, ought to have clued in the sheepish that the nihilism and vitriol on display here were hardly the stuff of intellectual insurrection. Is "Beef Boloney" incredibly juvenile? Sure, but so what? It rocks. "I Don't Care About You" is sheer obnoxious genius as is "I Love Livin' in the City". The hits keep comin'. (Though their cover of "We Got to Get Out of this Place" could've easily been jettisoned without comprimising an otherwise great record).

Anyway, I'm blathering, but The Record is great. If you find it offensive, I'd suggest lightening up. By taking FEAR at their word, you're only empowering those who find the message positive and serious. Skrewdriver they're not.

Or am I completley talking out my ass? Discuss.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 5 June 2005 22:10 (twenty years ago)

Thumbs up for Fear's first album.

jack cole (jackcole), Sunday, 5 June 2005 22:19 (twenty years ago)

"I Don't Care About You" has been an anthem for me and my true friends for over fifteen years at this point. Loving Fear is pretty much the test in my house; if you don't, you gotta go. (I think the gratuitous Mars ref gives a clue as to why Christgau hated them; a NY lover like him couldn't stand the idea that a band might even write a joking song like "New York's All Right If You Like Saxophones.")

pdf (Phil Freeman), Sunday, 5 June 2005 22:50 (twenty years ago)

Mah Babbeee talk about a low down skanaddoooo whoo hoo.

Anyone who doesn't like this record is pants. Probably really digs Pinkerton.

Anthony Lombardi (CCPO), Monday, 6 June 2005 03:36 (twenty years ago)

good record. i have an original pressing that i've seen selling for $25.

to let - flats (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 6 June 2005 03:48 (twenty years ago)

"And yes, they were idiots -- but certainly no more so than the similarly inclined mooks in Guns'n'Roses (who'd later cover them)."

and unlike Axl Rose, Fear have an actual sense of humor!

latebloomer: Pain Don't Hurt (latebloomer), Monday, 6 June 2005 04:35 (twenty years ago)

Some good songs, but I remember the production as being awful, by the standards of the time--very weak guitar sound (not that I've heard it in 20 years).

666 (Robust Cookies), Monday, 6 June 2005 06:32 (twenty years ago)

I love this album. Their 2nd album was absolutely shite awful though.

Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Monday, 6 June 2005 15:00 (twenty years ago)

Never heard this record but 'Lets have a war' is a cracking song. Didn't some of them play on The Breeders last album?

Michael B, Monday, 6 June 2005 15:03 (twenty years ago)

I love this album. Their 2nd album was absolutely shite awful though.

By and large, it was a weak affair, but "The Mouth Don't Stop" and "Null Detector" were pretty good. The live version of the latter on LIVE...FOR THE RECORD is better than the studio version. "Have a Beer with FEAR" was a great song title, but sadly a weak track.

Every studio record after More Beer is absolutely dreadfull.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 6 June 2005 15:07 (twenty years ago)

Some of them did play on the last Breeders album, and when they played the Mean Fiddler in London in 2002 (or thereabouts) they played "I don't care about you" as their last song! I was bouncing like an idiot.

Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Monday, 6 June 2005 15:13 (twenty years ago)

"I seen a old man have a heart attack in Manhatten.
Well he died while we just stood there lookin' at him.
Ain't he cute?"

Dennis, Monday, 6 June 2005 15:21 (twenty years ago)

I read a Creem review of this when I was like 14 or so written by Gregg Turner where he said something like "The Record sticks out like an angry thumb caught in the chainsaw of life". Seeing the band tear up the Saturday Night Live stage was my first real introduction to the glories of punk rock. That said, I don't think this album has held up as well as others of the era sonically or in terms of songs. It's more of an attitude piece.

sleeve (sleeve), Monday, 6 June 2005 15:30 (twenty years ago)

"New York's Alright If You Like Saxophones" is my personal favourite (ALL punk bands should utilize free-jazz horns at some point!) & possibly the main reason Xgau (a proud Noo Yawker) dissed it.

Other highlights: "Let's Have A War", Lee Ving's bellow, some insane time signatures (who says they couldn't play?!), a David Lee Roth parody ("Beef Baloney") and, in the Charlie Parker tradition, a tribute to California's Camarillo State mental hospital (don't think they were actual PATIENTS like Bird, however, but who knows?) "Getting The Brush" is way too slow and boring but at least it's nearly the last song.

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Monday, 6 June 2005 16:55 (twenty years ago)

Sorry, pdf, didn't mean to accidentally copy your thoughts about Xgau's New York favouritism. We reached the same conclusion.

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Monday, 6 June 2005 17:04 (twenty years ago)

Lee Ving==brilliant as Mr. Boddy in Clue...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Monday, 6 June 2005 17:15 (twenty years ago)

five years pass...

RIP Derf Scratch.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 2 August 2010 03:30 (fifteen years ago)

Following on from that -- Mike Watt remembers him well, plus suggests checking out this Mark Prindle interview.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 4 August 2010 16:18 (fifteen years ago)

So he gets my number from Billy and he calls me up, and I went over to his house to talk to him one day. And I was a long-haired hippy type, and I'd gotten to the point in my life where I'd realized that usually everything that I ended up hating became a big hit. From the very beginning, I hated punk rock, you know? And Lee asks me if I want to start a punk band and I thought to myself, "Wow, I really hate this fuckin' music. Yeah, why not?"

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 4 August 2010 16:22 (fifteen years ago)

six months pass...

@sammcpheeters
Sam McPheeters
Lee Ving has a Twitter account. One of his posts just says "FEAR".

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 17 February 2011 20:22 (fifteen years ago)

And he doesn't update it much but:

http://twitter.com/FEARLeeVing

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 17 February 2011 20:22 (fifteen years ago)

one year passes...

PILES OF BLOOD, SCABS AND HAIR

benernienie taumaupin (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, 17 March 2012 09:46 (fourteen years ago)

eight years pass...

LET'S HAVE A WARRRRRRRRRRRRRrr

genital giant (Neanderthal), Saturday, 25 April 2020 02:40 (six years ago)

This is really one of the top 10 punk albums of all time and it never gets to be part of the critical canon

The Mandymoorian (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 25 April 2020 02:55 (six years ago)

i didn't get it at first but grew to love it fast

genital giant (Neanderthal), Saturday, 25 April 2020 03:02 (six years ago)

I went down a Fear rabbithole recently, after re-watching Decline for the first time in ages. Found an interview online that someone (I think Mark Prindle) did by phone w/ the guitarist, sometime in the past 10-15 yrs. Tons of interesting info about Lee V., the band, Lee vs. the band, etc.

I eat fast foods (morrisp), Saturday, 25 April 2020 03:52 (six years ago)

three years pass...

I DON'T CARE ABOUT YOU

the manwich horror (Neanderthal), Thursday, 8 June 2023 02:21 (two years ago)

Fuck you!

Day 1 fan (morrisp), Thursday, 8 June 2023 02:29 (two years ago)


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