Critics: Have you ever let your friendship with a band (or band member) influence your review?

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1) Did you ever (in retrospect) go easy on an artist's music where you liked and knew someone in the band?

2) Have you ever slammed someone's music (and were being honest about it) even though you were friends with someone in the band?

Either way, what was the fallout?

Naturally, you don't have to name the band, although it certainly makes for juicier gossip if you do. :-)

popmusic, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I don't think I'd 'review' records by people I know, as such. I might write about them but in such a way as to make it clear I knew the people.

The thing is though that your perception of the artist is always going to colour your perception of the art, whether you know them or not. And writing online with an e-mail byline at the end of everything you soon realise that almost any artist, especially less well-known ons, could bring you up on what you write just like a friend could.

Tom, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

With reference to 2), I once wrote a review of my best friend's band Lush where I accused them of being puppets of the male-dominated music business, and bad role models as well. The outcome was that my friend never spoke to me again - figuring perhaps (and correctly) that if I really felt that way maybe I could have mentioned it to her first instead of going behind her back (as it were). Oh, and her singer admitted having fantasies about putting my balls in a vice and squeezing tightly, in an end of year questionnaire. Fair enough as well.

Still on 2), I also once accused Alan McGee of 'selling out' in the pages of my Legend! fanzine back in 1985. The net result? All his other mates were given shares in the company, and became multi-millionaires. I wasn't. Fair enough again.

Still on 2), all I can say is that David Gedge is really a very nice man.

Jerry, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

1) No, because I only make friends with the best bands in the world.
2) Not in print. But my friend Jonathan's band sucked. Really bad 80s college rock, often with trumpets. God, it was like an even nerdier version of Cake. Terrible. And thus far, I have never written that.

dleone, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I once wrote a review of my best friend's band Lush

Spooky review, right? I remember that, I have it around somewhere. You weren't kind.

If it's Emma you're referring to instead of Miki, she posted on the boards recently. It's all coming back!

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

My own answer to the question -- hell, though I'm not a friend or anything, I told Brad Laner to his face that Medicine wasn't much (with the caveat that I thought the Electric Company were fucking great, which they are, or it is, more accurately). A more accurate consideration would be my many AMG reviews for Jake Anderson's one-man band Celesteville. I've known Jake for seven years and consider him a good friend, but if I thought he was a terrible musician I would say so. As it is, I think he's one of the best songwriters and performers out there, inventive, creative and not content to stay in a rut.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I once wrote a series of concert reviews about a local band. They liked them enough they put a couple of them on their website. Then after I got a little too chummy with the band, they had a bad patch and I couldn't bear writing a bad review, so I wrote no review at all.
Yep, I sacrificed my journalistic integrity for sentimental reasons.
I guess I'm not Lester Bangs after all.

Lord Custos, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Well someone's been watching Almost Famous...

JM, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The reason why I don't undertake writing music reviews as at least a part time living is because of musically related friendships...

I admire people who are willing to risk friendships for journalistic integrity. I just hope those folks have the means to cope with knowing that, temporarily, a very close friend would, as Everett put, have fantasies of him/her's private parts in a painful vice... I just couldn't deal with it. I require immediate resolution whenever any misunderstanding causes someone I really like to not like me back equally. In this context, that's certainly a weakness of mine.

Furthermore, I completely admit a bias towards friends' music than music by people I don't know. The way music has permeated my way of life, social and financial, has kept me from being fully objective about a piece of musical work ever again. Period. If I didn't care to fraternize with fellow musicians as half of a way of life, and only saw the paths of music's affect on me as a purely unidirectional thing (stereo speakers ---> my brain), then I'd have no problems criticizing or praising artists I'd happen to meet.. to me, it would be a chance to share my feedback, and that's that.

Aaah, if things were that simple, though. Blame it on college radio if you must, but my past decade of shmoozing now has me seeing music as a way to describe the artist I'm friends with.. like a trait -- as opposed to this very well contained mutually exclusive byproduct. If I know and like somebody, music and all, I'm certainly going to investigate and scrutinize his/her work moreso than someone who I don't know.

This isn't to say that being friends with somebody is a basis for whether I'll choose to like someone's music or not. Most of my musical heroes are people who I'm convinced I will never get to meet or know.. alive or dead. And I also admit the mystery behind that may, in fact, elevate those artists' music to some degree. But if I were presented with two equally worthwhile slabs of music: one by a friend, one by someone I don't know.. I'd certainly elaborate more and give my friend the better review.

All very wordy way of saying the fucking obvious.. I might have to dig more to make another point. But my point of contention here is that very few people will fully admit to a bias towards musicians they know and like when it comes to reviews.. when in fact, not only is it practically unavoidable, but could also be a positive attribute.

Brian MacDonald, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I recuse myself from writing about friends' bands in "professional" publications. If I'm not getting paid, that doesn't apply, I figure.

I've actually become friends with a couple of musicians as the result of writing harsh reviews of their records/performances (in both cases, they wrote to me and said "yeah, okay; that was fair").

Douglas, Thursday, 31 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Friendship, no. Cold hard cash, hell yeah.

Joe, Thursday, 31 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I once convinced some friends in a band that they weren't good enough to write about "yet". This is meant to illustrate my wisdom and honesty when it probably just does the same for my social ineptitude.

dave q, Thursday, 31 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I rarely do reviews of any sort, but I've conducted interviews with and written about most of the bands and musicians of note in Manchester and environs at the moment, most of whom are in my immediate social circle, many of whom are friends, and I must say it's nearly impossible to tell them you think they suck. If I like someone personally I just figure, fuck it, tastes differ, encourage them. It's not that bad - I'd lie to anyone I liked. If I don't know them then it's gloves off.

misterjones, Thursday, 31 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I guess what I mean is, you weigh up your integrity versus how much you value their friendship, and then divide the result by how much your opinions actually matter. If the result isn't Sweet F A, then do it again until it is. Then lie to and about them, cos they're your mates.

misterjones, Thursday, 31 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

two years pass...
1) when i write my internet reviews, i tend to write the good points of the release and sum up how it is in comparison with their previous releases. although i do go up to them and say hey, i think this doesnt work, or this couldd be different, they appreciate my honest oppinion as opposed to all the groupie "i love your new ep" bullshit

deejayphoenix, Saturday, 3 April 2004 07:35 (twenty-one years ago)

eleven months pass...
I had to write this review of our own concert because, God knows, nobody else did. So much for objective truth.

http://www.o-art.org/history/77-83/CCM/concerts/ear6,3tyranny.html

milton parker (Jon L), Saturday, 5 March 2005 00:37 (twenty-one years ago)

six months pass...

yes

(\/)¤¤kíë \€/¤ñ (mookie wilson), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 19:20 (twenty years ago)

I am trying to get out of doing a feature on a band of a guy who I used to be friends with, but now he's dating someone I don't like (a lot), and even just seeing him casually is uncomfortable, and I also think that maybe he's a giant asshole.

Hmmm, maybe I've got my lead.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 19:31 (twenty years ago)

I believe in the Pauline Kael dictum: it's hard to befriend someone whose work you don't respect. Now if these artists started good and turned to shit, I'd keep'em - just to sneer.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 20:34 (twenty years ago)

Refer to Easy Riders, Raging Bulls for details on how Kael was played / bought on several occasions.

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 20:37 (twenty years ago)

I knew someone would bring that up. I refer you to her reviews of many of Altman's post-Nashville films or all of Paul Schrader's films; she blasted them.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 21:02 (twenty years ago)

do you think Kael's friendship with Peckinpah made her review of, say, "Killer Elite" more insightful?

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 21:10 (twenty years ago)

In my New York days I knew Mark C., then of Body and Live Skull, now of Int'l Shades; I only knew him slightly, but I found him congenial and supportive, and I was grateful. Anyway, if I were to review the Int'l Shades, which on first listen sounds pretty good, I'd be tempted to rationalize Mark's blah and nondescript singing as being appropriate for the material (which it might be, actually).

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 15 September 2005 14:11 (twenty years ago)

as my reviews tend to be less reviews and more of an attempt to give a concept of what the record sounds like, i have yet to really run into an integrity issue.

that said, there are plenty of people i know whos recrds i don't review because i don't enjoy them. luckily, i can usually hand them over to someone else. but i very much believe that no coverage has more weight than throwing knives.

bb (bbrz), Thursday, 15 September 2005 14:40 (twenty years ago)

I tend to think that a bad review hurts fringe artists, on the bubble of having a more widespread following, much more than established artists - and since most of my musician friends are fringe musicians, I usually stay away from reviewing their stuff, especially when it's not something that really appeals to me. If I like it, I'm still not totally down with writing about them, but that's my own bias: I have a hard time getting into the mindset that I can feel free to express any opinion that occurs to me when I have an extra-professional relationship with the artist. (on the other hand, if I was *really* close to them, I probably wouldn't have a problem at all - they'd already know what I think!)

Dominique (dleone), Thursday, 15 September 2005 14:46 (twenty years ago)

(and I do think it should be apparent in the review if the writer has a personal relationship w/the artist)

Dominique (dleone), Thursday, 15 September 2005 14:59 (twenty years ago)

I don't generally make friends with people I interview/ review. I have casual friendships with a couple of people from this route, but luckily I really like their music and said friendships are *casual*.

As for my actual friends' bands, most of them are too small to warrant coverage right now. I have held back from pitching a few of them as up-and-coming artists in a way I wouldn't if the band were unknown to me though.

Anna (Anna), Thursday, 15 September 2005 15:10 (twenty years ago)

i've really only made friends with about three artists in the past (whom i actually keep in contact with and could legitimately call 'friends'), so i've just basically stopped writing about them. with the millions of artists out there, it's not too hard to avoid three of em.

ken taylrr has gone off the internet because of you (ken taylrr), Thursday, 15 September 2005 17:02 (twenty years ago)

"luckily I really like their music and said friendships are *casual*."

i thik the "casual" tag is important there..i rarely consider touching something a good friend put out. as dominique said, if someone is a close friend they tend to want an honest opinion. and i do agree that a relationship which is more than casual should be made apparent.

bb (bbrz), Thursday, 15 September 2005 17:13 (twenty years ago)

If someone's record sucks I don't wanna be friends w/them. This was touched on above, I think. This has, I'd imagine, done me irreparable harm so far as working out some way of getting paid w/in this tiny country's musicsystem goes. Oh well. I'll die one day.

A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 15 September 2005 17:22 (twenty years ago)

I will not write about the musical output of my oldest friend, who's got one album out and is readying another. I'm not close enough to any other musicians to worry about it.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 16 September 2005 00:40 (twenty years ago)


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