C/D Seeing bands you saw 20 years ago

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I'm going to see X play next week at the LA Weekly Music Awards, and I haven't seen them play since I was in high school, oh about 20 years ago. Reflecting on this I thought it was weird that I should be seeing them, but now I think it's even weirder that they are playing. It can't mean the same thing to them. I know it doesn't mean the same thing to me. What are your thoughts on this? What does music mean then and now?
It's not eternal, it's contextual for me, and I'm sure how I will enjoy the music without its context. What say you?

Orbit (Orbit), Monday, 6 June 2005 01:10 (twenty years ago)

If you're not old enough to have seen a band 20 years ago, feel free to comment on 10 years ago....or whatever

Orbit (Orbit), Monday, 6 June 2005 01:30 (twenty years ago)

I've only been attending gigs for 15 years, but consider a band like Depeche Mode, who I first saw in 1990. The composition of their audience has slowly shifted over time, and the crowd at those early 90's gigs were nothing like the crowd that came to see them on the "Exciter" tour in 2001. In fact, I actively disliked the 2001 crowd, they were bland and apathetic compared to the crowds from a decade earlier (which happens to lots of bands' fanbases as they grow older over time).

So it's natural that the new gigs won't mean the same thing as the old gigs did. The band changes and the fanbase changes. But "different" != "inferior" ... when DM tour again, of course I will see them again because they're one of my favourite bands ever and that's much more important to me than worrying about whether their fans have grown to be old and boring.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 6 June 2005 01:45 (twenty years ago)

I'm 31. One of the best shows I ever saw was twelve years ago in St. Louis.

It was X. Apparently, time and age have no effect on that group.

(That said, John Doe, God love him, was pretty shitty on Conan O'Brien not too long ago.)

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Monday, 6 June 2005 03:15 (twenty years ago)

The times I've seen X in recent years, the band has been great. Never saw them in, say, 1980, because I was five, but I was still impressed. I bet Tom Waits is better now than he was then, for example. Same with a few others.

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Monday, 6 June 2005 12:36 (twenty years ago)

X are amazing. See them whenever you can, especially if Zoom's back in the fold.

I saw DEVO last summer. The last time I'd seen them was probably 1988. I had quasi-low expectations, being that they're all older and fatter now, but damn if they didn't put on full-on, hyperkinetic and tight-as-ever show.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 6 June 2005 12:39 (twenty years ago)

Sun City Girls were every bit as good in 2004 as they were in 1984. Also hearing rave reviews of the current Gang Of Four and Kraftwerk shows.

sleeve (sleeve), Monday, 6 June 2005 15:21 (twenty years ago)

OK, to update on this. I just got back home from seeing X at the LA Weekly Music awards. X was the first show I ever saw in 1980. It is now 25 years later. They are maybe 5 years older than me. In 1980, they were dangerous, now I saw them as competent musicians. John Doe wore a great suit, and after busting a string, seamlesslessly moved onto the next bass. Billy Zoom was exactly the way he was in 1980--consummate smiling, silver-guitared gentleman. Exene sounded worse than in 1980, prob a result of those visits to my vocal coach--I loved her anyway.

BUT for any true X fan, here is the clencher--they played the entire Los Angeles album, so it WAS the same show I saw in 1980.

How did it compare? I was older, they were older. But they were still cool. Exene was wearing satin instead of cotton. DJ didn't have any hair. But they rocked just as hard as they did 25 years ago and I loved them just as much.

I'm glad I went to the show. It was also kind of cool to see Brian Wilson get an award, and to hear Flea's amazing introduction of X's lifetime achievement award.

Glad I went--apologies to Betsy & Jill, who I lost in the afterparty.

Orbit (Orbit), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 05:55 (twenty years ago)

Depends entirely on the band I think.

I saw Brian Wilson, Tom Waits, The Mingus Big Band and The Magic Band last year (no, not all on the same stage, except maybe in my imagination!) and they were all fantastic - but I would love / have loved to have seen any or all of them 20; 30; in the cases of The Beach Boys and Captain Beefheart And The Magic Band, 40; and in the case pf Charles Mingus even 50 years ago; if this could be arranged in such a manner that I could not only be / have been born, but old enough to understand and appreciate what was going on.

I also saw The Damned; who I've been going to see regularly for 28 years (or 2/3 of my life) so far (so much for "It's just a phase he's going through, he'll grow out of it soon"); and (amongst others) Alternative TV, Buzzcocks, The Fall, Penetration and The Vibrators; all of whom I first saw around '77 / '78 / '79; and all of them were great too. Maybe not as great they were 25+ years ago, but then , who and what is?

I would love to see Bob Dylan, Pere Ubu and The Residents (all on one stage would be nice - but I'd be happy with as many as three different ones!).

I wouldn't go and see Alvin Stardust, Les McKeown's Legendary Bay City Rollers, Bev Bevan's The Move, The Dreamers (no Freddie, unfortunately), John Rossall's Glitter Band, (No Dave Dee just) Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Titch, Ian Astbury & The Doors, The Rolling Stones or U2 if you paid me 'though.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 12:03 (twenty years ago)

I'll be at Hyde Park next Friday - over 24 years since I first saw New Order and 26 years since I first saw Joy Div. It'll be classic, of course.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 12:13 (twenty years ago)

Hope you have good weather for it Doc.,

In my experience Hyde Park + sunshine + almost any old band = classic.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 12:43 (twenty years ago)

Thanks. Last time I saw NO was in deep mud in Finsbury Park, 2002.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 12:54 (twenty years ago)

In order for me to answer this question I'd have to go to a Wierd Al or Average White Band show.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 12:55 (twenty years ago)

"Last time I saw NO was in deep mud in Finsbury Park, 2002."

Iirc the last time I saw them was on a balmy evening at the end of a glorious day at Reading Festival in '98. Absolute magic - especially when they answered my silent prayers and played both "Love Will Tear Us Apart" and "Atmosphere".

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 13:00 (twenty years ago)

I missed that. I saw them on New Years Eve at Ally Pally (Gillian's last gig) - they did Isolation at the 1998 gigs too, didn't they?

It's a bit tame these days if I'm really honest - Barney's autocue pisses me off and you know pretty much what they're going to play, since they've only got a certain number of songs programmed up and ready to go. That shouldn't stop them doing a few surprise songs that don't really on lots of programmed keybds and beats, but it does. I suppose they wheeled out Digital last time I saw them, so maybe I'm being a bit unfair. It'll still be classic though - beer, sun, seeing lots of old Factory-heads.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 13:11 (twenty years ago)

don't really on = don't rely on

Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 13:29 (twenty years ago)

".... they did Isolation at the 1998 gigs too, didn't they?"

Indeed, they did "Isolation", "Ceremony" and "Heart And Soul".

And they did "Regret", "Confusion", "Bizarre Love Triangle", "True Faith", "Temptation", "Blue Monday" and even "World In Motion",

In fact It's hard to think how they could have improved significantly on that set list; which is probably why I haven't felt much urge to go and see them since.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 13:44 (twenty years ago)


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