TS: Nitzer Ebb v. Front 242

Join in the Chant vs. Der Mussolini???

(By the by I do love 242 as well!)

are you kidding

What he said. (In other shock news, Pope blue, sky catholic.)

242 by a longlong way.

i saw douglas mccarthy and terence fixmer in belgium last summer. sorry but it was dreadful.

I think both groups built upon the obvious influences, but I think 242 progressed a bit more.. so I'm on the fence, but looking more on 242's side.. I tend to go back to 242 more so than Nitzer Ebb (as much as "Getting Closer", "Shame", and "Backlash" are some of the primest of the prime late 80s industrial dance fodder)

BABEH. COME TO DADDEE.

DADDEE COME TO BABEH!!!!!

DADDEE COME TO BABEHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

really? the live @ arkadia festival 2004 set ive heard has everything id expect from a good industrial show (= it was essentially slowed down schranz with shouty vocals)

Why are you being so defensive?

Nitzer Ebb did rip DAF off. I don't see the big secret there!

what i meant was that a) daf get plenty of publicity and b) the nitzer-daf connection (which i dont see at all) is brought up just about every time someone mentions nitzer

haha xpost

I mean, come the fuck ON! Look at the pictures of Robert and Gabi on Alles Ist Gut! Then look at Nitzer Ebb promo shots from the wonder years. That bass synth! That drum sound! The only major difference is that McCarthy is far more gruff and ogre sounding (no pun intended), whereas Gabi sounds like a robot masturbating. Otherwise, if we're talking 1984-1987 era Nitzer Ebb, especially, it's total early 80s DAF appropriation, through and through.

DAF had the whole 'Der Raube Und Der Prinz' thing, though, didn't they? That extra touch of bizarre magic. That one was the best track EVAH!!

Then again, 'Join in the Chant' was the best track in its style EVAH PLUS it got some of the Detroit people inspired!!! With obvious consequences.

Front 242: leather jackets, sunglasses and the uncappable 'First In First Out', which was the best track in its style EVAH.

Whose the best out of these three? Liaisons Dangereuses.

*gayness. thats probably what detracts me from the nitzer / daf similarities: alles ist gut is about manlove in a hostile world, that total age is about, um, hooliganism i guess

http://www.robert-goerl.de/image9I2.JPG

Liaisons Dangereuses were still better but.

You've got to be kidding! This Total Age is made up of a large number of terrible, overwrought songs surrounding two stone classics that should be played forever and ever ("Murderous", "Join In The Chant"). Seriously, when I heard "Violent Playground" for the first time, I thought my CD player was kidding.

I have fond memories of Front 242, having been really into all that EBM type stuff when I was in high school, but I can't recall much now except the obvious singles like "Never Stop" and "Commando" and "Headhunter" and "Tragedy (For You)." It'd be fun to give that stuff a listen again.

Someone mentioned this the other day, and I was wondering the same thing...

smear body off that total age somehow remids me of twisted sister.
front 242 were better. i like nitzer ebb up until the as is ep - they are no daf and front 242 lost it after the up evil / off albums.

so daf get my vote every time and yes, liaisons dangereuses are better.

Nitzer Ebb would scarcely be in the game if not for their phonetic similarity to Nitsuh Abebe (COINCIDENCE?)

Revive!

I remember seeing Front 242's "Religion" video on MTV as a teenager and being awestruck at how high budget it looked and also sad that they were moving away from the electronic sound I associated with them.

Now watching it on youtube I think I took this stuff way too seriously.

Hovever, 242 are still totally classic.

There's some new 242 album or comp coming out.

"I Give To You" seems to be a severely underrated Nitzer Ebb song.

xpost: it's already out and it's just a live compilation kinda thing.

http://www.front242.com/site/content/merchandise.asp?type=5

"I Give To You" seems to be a severely underrated Nitzer Ebb song.

Very. I like to think of it as their Young Gods moment.

I sounded like I was harshing Ebb's mellow too much above. I still love Nitzer Ebb and Front 242 very much. I guess I just "respect" Front 242 a little more than Nitzer Ebb, although front 242 weren't flawless, especially after the Fuck Up Evil/Evil Off albums on Sony.

That said, I feel the best 242 songs, with the exception of the Headhunter/Welcome To Paradise single, which is pretty damn perfect, are not the hits. "Aggressiva" is so fucking amazing. It's obviously influenced by Slayer and perhaps by proxy Young Gods, with the tinny looping thrash guitar going on. I always preferred this to its more popular gothy flipside "Quite Unusual" (which is probably my least favorite Front 242 hit.)

My sentimental fave 242 is Official Version. It was my first exposure to the 242, but I agree this works better as an album than, say, Front By Front which is not a great *album* in a sum-of-the-parts way as much as a great collection of songs for industrial-goth dance DJs (which is just fine too.), in which case, I still think the "Headhunter" 12" is better.

Official Version is just so well sequenced though. "W.Y.H.I.W.Y.G." is my fave 242 song. It's very Kraftwerk/Neu! kinda, as it's this epic that keeps building and building. "Rerun Time", "Red Team", etc. are way overlooked.

Also a bit slept on are the Fuck Up Evil and Evil Off albums. This is where I think the band jumped to the next level. If only they had done that again.

Tyranny For You is the only album that did nothing for me. It just sounds weaker than their previous stuff.. which is probably why Fuck Up Evil sounded so great upon its release. Tyranny did produce excellent maxi-CD-singles though.

And we gotta love "Commando". Actually prefer the No Comment version, but the EP version is great too.

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STILL!... Nitzer Ebb's singles still pwn 242's singles over all. "Warsaw Ghetto", "Join In The Chant", "Shame/Backlash", "Control Im Here", "Hearts and Minds", "Getting Closer", etc. Hell, the B-side "Get Clean". Ebb didn't really master the solid album thing until, ironically, Ebbhead when the singles became weak, but the albums were well constructed. Never listened to Big Hit.

How can you find Tyranny (For You) weak when it has "Tragedy (For You)", "Rhythm Of Time", "Neurobashing" and "Moldavia" on it??? DO NOT GET

(I do have to grudgingly agree that the Nitzer singles overall are better, though.)

Mmm, "Neurobashing."

Mmm, "Moldavia"!

IT FLIES!

Hahaha, yes.

Tyranny isn't bad. I guess it's context. At the time, I heard Front 242 jumped the Wax Trax wagon to a major label. I expected big things out of that first album. With a major label budget, that album was obviously going to be the best thing ever. Then I got it, listened to it, and it... well, wasn't the best thing ever. In fact, it was just alright.

Had Fuck Up Evil been that first Sony album, then I would have sacrificed to the 242 altar.

Oh NO DOUBT Fuck Up Evil and Evil Off are miles better, ESPECIALLY Evil Off... !

When all you do is break me
And put me
You put me in a CAGE

also: "Crushed"

"Drags you DOWN!"

"This is the thread where Dan and Ned quote Front 242 lyrics at each other"

Oh like you have a problem with that.

"Her acid raaaaain..."

I'm looking for this man
To sell him to other man

wait

I WANT A GUN THAT'S SEXUAL

That does seem very you.

"Give me some more of the warm little beasts
I'm so fond of"

SHE LEFT ME DISLOCATED
DISAVOWED
AND TWITCHING

sorry to Mackro if you are lurking but I have decided you are totally on crack re: Tyranny For You

YES.

i mean, Tyranny For You is worth it for "Neurobashing" alone. this sounds like it could have come from SO MANY places and played during SO MANY types of DJ sets that i still get chills every time i listen to it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpnrOHAQOZ4&feature=related