AC/DC 's Back In Black is now number 5

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BeeOK (boo radley), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 17:20 (twenty years ago)

Back in Black' cracks all-time top 5
Eagles, Jackson still lead list

Wednesday, June 8, 2005 Posted: 9:30 AM EDT (1330 GMT)

NEW YORK (Billboard) -- AC/DC's 1980 breakthrough "Back in Black" has been certified for U.S. shipments of 21 million copies, tying it for fifth place with Billy Joel's "Greatest Hits Vol. 1 & II" on the Recording Industry Assn. of America's all-time best-sellers list.

The Australian hard rock group's first album with lead singer Brian Johnson, who replaced Bon Scott following his alcohol-related death, "Back in Black" was originally released by Atco and was reissued in 2003 by Epic along with the rest of the band's catalog.

Joel's "Greatest Hits Vol. 1 & II" reached 21 million in 2000. The leader of the list remains "Eagles/Their Greatest Hits" (Asylum), last certified in 2002 at 28 million. In second is Michael Jackson's "Thriller" (Epic), which reached 27 million in an April RIAA accounting, followed by Pink Floyd's "The Wall" (23 million/1999; Capitol) and "Led Zeppelin IV" (22 million/1999; Atlantic).

Elsewhere among the RIAA's May certifications is a triple-platinum award (U.S. shipments of three million) for AC/DC's 1976 set "High Voltage."

Others tipping new multi-platinum heights include Usher, whose latest album, "Confessions" (LaFace) has shipped nine million U.S. copies. Gwen Stefani's solo debut "Love, Angel, Music, Baby" (Interscope) hit the double-platinum mark, as did Rascal Flatts' "Feels Like Today" (Lyric Street) and Chicago's "The Very Best Of: Only the Beginning" (Rhino).

Newly minted platinum titles in May were "Barrio Fino" by Daddy Yankee (VI Music), Jack Johnson's "In Between Dreams" and "On and On" (Universal), Los Tigres Del Norte's "Jefe de Jefes" (Fonovisa), Jason Mraz's "Waiting for My Rocket To Come" (Elektra), Rob Thomas' "Something To Be" (Atlantic) and Queen's now-aptly titled "The Platinum Collection" (Hollywood).

Copyright 2005 Reuters.

BeeOK (boo radley), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 17:22 (twenty years ago)

dang, we missed our moment. a friend was going to start a grass-roots internet campaign to take "back in black" to #1 but we were too lazy to get it together.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 17:25 (twenty years ago)

The Wall???????
That honestly surprises me!

peepee (peepee), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 17:26 (twenty years ago)

Cool, now there's three albums in the Top 5 EVER that I own and enjoy. (I'd have picked a different AC/DC record, but hey, the masses have spoken. I'm not bitchin')

donut debonair (donut), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 17:27 (twenty years ago)

The Wall???????

The double-counting of double-albums effect strikes again.

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 17:29 (twenty years ago)

yeah not my fave AC/DC but i'll take it!

Zack Richardson (teenagequiet), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 17:29 (twenty years ago)

is that the first platinum reggaeton record?

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 17:29 (twenty years ago)

god the eagles must be way out front now

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 17:31 (twenty years ago)

Doubles count as two? I didn't know that!
So that's why the White Album is the Beatles' biggest seller. It all makes sense.

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 17:42 (twenty years ago)

Will it help if I go out and buy two more copies of "Back in Black?" Will that break the tie with Billy Joel?

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 17:55 (twenty years ago)

Does the wall count a double LP as two sales?

geyser muffler and a quarter (Dave225), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 17:57 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, Josh in Chi has a good point.

What's exactly is the sales count hysteresis on determining a tie here?

donut debonair (donut), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 18:08 (twenty years ago)

maybe they got a standard deviation and if they both fall within it they decide 'fuckit - they tied'.

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 18:10 (twenty years ago)

And regarding the double album count, do vinyl double albums that now fit on one cd and are sold as such still count as two sales?

matt2 (matt2), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 18:10 (twenty years ago)

xpost to blount... Yeah, that's what I'm asking.. I just used WORD POWAH instead (granted, in a slightly out of context fashion.). I want to know *exactly* what that standard deviation is?

If it's small enough, we should convince the people at www.acdc-rocks.com or whatever the official site is to urge people to re-buy the album in order to BEAT BILLY JOEL! As if the band hasn't repackaged that album enough times already, why not be blatant and have a worthwhile goal to go with it?

donut debonair (donut), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 18:14 (twenty years ago)

it's purely units sold - so a double album that's been put on one cd (eg. exile on main street) counts as one unit; one cd = one unit. a double album that's been put on two cd's (eg. sign o the times) counts as two units; two cd's = two units.

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 18:19 (twenty years ago)

one year passes...
Was BIB a massive seller upon release (like, say, 10 million plus copies in the first year or so) or did it move most of its units over the decades? Why did that particular album became so huge? Aside from the carrying-on with a new singer storyline, what did it tap into?

ramon fernandez (ramon fernandez), Friday, 15 September 2006 13:48 (nineteen years ago)

"tap"

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Friday, 15 September 2006 14:05 (nineteen years ago)

Because people are fucking morons with no taste in music.

CASE CLOSED

Eazy-Esteban Buttez (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Friday, 15 September 2006 14:13 (nineteen years ago)

OMG, I had no idea The Eagles were so rich! Who are the people buying and listening to that shit? They must be so much older than me that they are practically on another planet.

IPSISSIMUS (Uri Frendimein), Friday, 15 September 2006 14:16 (nineteen years ago)

Aside from the carrying-on with a new singer storyline, what did it tap into?

Razor phone commercials featuring "BIB" probably spiked the sales quite a bit back in 2005.

IPSISSIMUS (Uri Frendimein), Friday, 15 September 2006 14:30 (nineteen years ago)

Why did that particular album became so huge? Aside from the carrying-on with a new singer storyline, what did it tap into?

people like awesome songs with awesome riffs!

M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 15 September 2006 14:37 (nineteen years ago)

Also, it's a "grower."

IPSISSIMUS (Uri Frendimein), Friday, 15 September 2006 14:44 (nineteen years ago)

Anyone know what the global numbers look like? I wonder how AC/DC does internationally.

o. nate (onate), Friday, 15 September 2006 14:45 (nineteen years ago)

According to this website, AC/DC do quite well internationally. They have Back in Black at number 2 in worldwide sales:

http://www.mjni.com/news/details.aspx?ArticleNo=508

o. nate (onate), Friday, 15 September 2006 14:47 (nineteen years ago)

064 17 16 10.0 CRACKED REAR VIEW Hootie & The Blowfish (1995)

this is terrifying

bendy (bendy), Friday, 15 September 2006 14:57 (nineteen years ago)

Not trying to be funny or glib, but seriously, what is up with the Eagles' greatest hits album being #1 OF ALL TIME? I assume it has something to do with that most people who want a Beatles/Zeppelin/Pink Floyd/whatever album will buy once of their classic albums, which are still widely available and moving copies, whereas with the Eagles there's a bigger push by the distributor of their greatest hits albums. But that does not explain how the album is #1 OF ALL TIME.

A fun and depressing game to play is to look at the RIAA all-time charts, find your favorite album, and look at all the albums that have outsold it. Like "Girl You Know It's True" > "Revolver". Or Girl You Know It's True" > Anything.

musically (musically), Friday, 15 September 2006 16:48 (nineteen years ago)

This is the one that truly disgusts me:

16.0 JAGGED LITTLE PILL MORISSETTE, ALANIS

IPSISSIMUS (Uri Frendimein), Friday, 15 September 2006 17:04 (nineteen years ago)

This invokes what I call the "Supernatural" paradox: after Santana's "Supernatural" sold, say, 14 million copies, who were the million new people who decided, after all their friends and family members got it, after all the press, after all the hype, after all the airplay, that they, too, needed to have it, and bumped it up to 15 million sold? Why did they wait so long to take the plunge? Were those last one million sold all grandparents buying a copy for their grandkids who already had a copy?

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Friday, 15 September 2006 17:10 (nineteen years ago)

who the fuck bought the eagles greatest hits? seriously.

Charlie Howard (the sphinx), Friday, 15 September 2006 17:26 (nineteen years ago)

I like dat one song, howzitgo? "Dum-de-dum-de California?"

IPSISSIMUS (Uri Frendimein), Friday, 15 September 2006 17:28 (nineteen years ago)

but wouldn't the fact that they're classified as 'greatest hits' in the first place necessitate that the original records had sold extremely well in the first instance. seriously, i don't think a greatest hits collection should be included in such a list

Charlie Howard (the sphinx), Friday, 15 September 2006 17:32 (nineteen years ago)

alanis doesn't bug me much, I can undestand why she struck a chord, even though I don't like it. I *really* don't like the Eagles, but again, I understand what they reperesent to the people who like 'em. But Hootie and Matchbox 20? I thought that stuff existed to fill up Easy Rock Radio, and get piped into offices. I didn't think people payed for it as much as just hummed along to it's existence. Sales imply actual fans! Actaully fans outside of frat kids and cube farm slaves. Outside America even.

bendy (bendy), Friday, 15 September 2006 17:51 (nineteen years ago)

What surprises me is not that an Eagles album is number one but that an Eagles compilation that doesn't include "Hotel California" (released in 1976) is number one.

Anyway, AC/DC at #2 worldwide seems pretty incredible to me, almost to the point where I suspect shenanigans. Michael Jackson, Eagles, Meat Loaf, Beatles - I can see my Mom enjoying or at least not minding all of these. She even likes "Stairway to Heaven." 2 seconds of either AC/DC singer has her rushing for the off button.

Sundar (sundar), Friday, 15 September 2006 19:28 (nineteen years ago)

Another shocker for me is 2 Backstreet Boys albums in the US top 30. WTF? Dookie above Nevermind is interesting too. Was "Basket Case" really that huge?

Sundar (sundar), Friday, 15 September 2006 19:30 (nineteen years ago)

This is the one that truly disgusts me:

16.0 JAGGED LITTLE PILL MORISSETTE, ALANIS

oh, the irony.

Space Gourmand (Haberdager), Friday, 15 September 2006 19:31 (nineteen years ago)

I mean, no other AC/DC albums make that worldwide list at all.

Sundar (sundar), Friday, 15 September 2006 20:21 (nineteen years ago)

Are you accusing the RIAA of shenanigans????????????????

I'm not surprised about the strong showing of the Backstreet Boys, and I'm sure if there were an accurate worldwide sales chart somewhere that at least some of their albums would place even higher. I am surprised that their debut album outsold Millenium though.

I looked up the Eagles comp and it has only 10 tracks! There's another equally short compilation with Hotel California, New Kid in Town and Life in the Fast Lane...that one sold "only" 11m copies.

musically (musically), Friday, 15 September 2006 20:34 (nineteen years ago)

It's actually a really good album, is it canonical at all?
And yet, _Highway To Hell_ is soooo much better.

Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Friday, 15 September 2006 20:39 (nineteen years ago)

to address josh in chicago's question, the last million are columbia house "get 12 cds for one cent" buyers

the art ensemble of chicago house (vahid), Friday, 15 September 2006 21:17 (nineteen years ago)

There's another equally short compilation with Hotel California, New Kid in Town and Life in the Fast Lane...that one sold "only" 11m copies.

Do you mean the Hotel California album or Greatest Hits, Vol 2? All three songs are on both.

Sundar (sundar), Friday, 15 September 2006 23:32 (nineteen years ago)

I didn't realize all those songs were on the actual HC album as well...I suppose that's the reason the hits comp. with those songs isn't #2 or something equally ridiculous.

musically (musically), Friday, 15 September 2006 23:35 (nineteen years ago)

They're actually songs 1-3 on HC in the order you listed them!

Sundar (sundar), Friday, 15 September 2006 23:36 (nineteen years ago)

whoa eagles made a hardcore album, what does that sound like?

latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 15 September 2006 23:56 (nineteen years ago)

Dookie above Nevermind is interesting too.

Heheh. Ultimately, I think, not surprising.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 16 September 2006 01:45 (nineteen years ago)

not surprising why

Charlie Howard (the sphinx), Saturday, 16 September 2006 03:57 (nineteen years ago)

Well obviously I have a sixth sense for things of this nature.

musically (musically), Saturday, 16 September 2006 04:00 (nineteen years ago)

we're forgetting one thing in this discussion:

certified for U.S. shipments

people aren't actually buying the eagles' greatest hits; there are just boxes upon boxes of millions of unsold copies of it languishing at record stores. don henley has so much pull at their label that he's demanded they ship out records that will never actually be sold.

Lawrence the Looter (Lawrence the Looter), Saturday, 16 September 2006 06:47 (nineteen years ago)

ten months pass...

http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/Music/07/17/music.newclassics.ap/index.html#cnnSTCText

NEW YORK (AP) -- Much of the rock 'n' roll and pop canon is well established.

Buying the albums of '60s and '70s acts like the Beatles, the Beach Boys, Led Zeppelin, Jimi Hendrix and Bob Marley is akin to a rite of passage for any young music fan. These are the artists that baby boomers love to keep buying, and with whom seemingly every teenager at some point experiments. (Remember A.J. hearing Bob Dylan for the first time in the "Sopranos" finale?)

Now that the '80s and '90s are ancient history, what albums are people still buying from those decades? Do critical favorites like Radiohead and the Pixies grow more popular with time? Or do the Backstreet Boys and Madonna still rule the charts?

The short answer is that, above all, people are buying vintage Metallica, AC/DC, Bon Jovi, Guns 'N Roses and, well, Trans-Siberian Orchestra.

AC/DC's "Back in Black" (1980) last year sold 440,000 copies and has thus far sold 156,000 this year, according to the Nielsen SoundScan catalog charts, which measure how well physical albums older than two years old are selling. (All figures for this article were provided by Nielsen SoundScan.) Photo Gallery: The new classics »

Those "Back in Black" numbers would make most contemporary CDs a success. Metallica's self-titled 1991 album is altogether the second-biggest selling album of the Nielsen SoundScan era, which began in 1991. "Metallica" sold 275,000 copies last year.

Bon Jovi's greatest-hits collection "Cross Road" last year sold 324,000 copies, while Guns N' Roses "Appetite for Destruction" (1987) sold 113,000. The Trans-Siberian Orchestra's "Christmas Eve and Other Stories" (1996) continues to be a holiday favorite; it was bought 289,000 times last year.

Greatest-hits compilations are counted as catalog releases, and account for the majority of vintage best-sellers. Artists that commercially peaked in the '80s or '90s that have had lucrative best-of collections include Garth Brooks, the Red Hot Chili Peppers, Tim McGraw, Creed, Queen, Tom Petty, Bone Thugs-N-Harmony, Def Leppard, Aerosmith and Lionel Richie.

U2, Bruce Springsteen, Prince, Celine Dion, Eric Clapton, Elton John, Dave Matthews Band and the ever-touring Jimmy Buffett also all continue to sell large amounts of old records.

Michael Jackson, of course, still has one of the most desirable back catalogs. His best-selling "Thriller" moves over 60,000 copies a year and his "Number Ones" collection yielded 162,000 sales last year.

Avid fans may be buying everything their favorite artist puts out, but there's more than nostalgia fueling vintage sales.

"Young fans aren't excluded from catalog sales -- especially the ones who really get interested in music, there's always that sense of discovery," says Geoff Mayfield, the director of charts at Billboard Magazine.

Not everything maintains long-term success. Asia's self-titled 1982 album was the biggest seller of 1982, but only sold 5,000 copies last year. Whitney Houston's 1985 debut, also self-titled, was 1986's top album, but now sells about 7,000 discs a year.

The same trajectory has befallen past mega-hits like Ace of Base's "The Sign," Bobby Brown's "Don't Be Cruel" and the Spice Girl's "Spice." Though one of the best selling artists of all time, Mariah Carey's self-titled debut sold a measly 5,000 copies last year. The Backstreet Boys' "Millennium" managed only 9,000 sales.

Alas, the turning wheel of fortune isn't always kind to boy bands.

"The only thing that kept coming to mind to me was that line in the Bruce Springsteen song: 'Someday we'll look back at this and it will all seem funny,' " recalls Rolling Stone senior editor David Fricke.

Now, some critical hits that were trounced on their initial release by the likes of 'N Sync can claim a measure of commercial superiority. The Flaming Lips' "The Soft Bulletin," often hailed as one of the best albums of the '90s by critics, sold a solid 38,000 copies last year.

Radiohead's legendary "OK Computer," currently celebrating its 10-year anniversary, last year sold 94,000 copies. Nirvana's "Nevermind" has done even better; it sold 143,000 copies in 2006.

Current events can alter the charts. When Ray Charles died, his older albums spiked for months, says Mayfield. A new album from Alanis Morissette would surely increase sales of her 1995 disc "Jagged Little Pill," one of the best selling albums of the past 20 years.

Likewise, recent reunions of the Police and Genesis can be expected to increase sales of their catalogs. The Police's 1986 compilation "Every Breath You Take" has already doubled its already strong 2006 sales by selling 107,000 copies so far this year. (A new compilation was recently released as well.)

Many well-regarded albums continue to do healthy business, including: U2's "Joshua Tree," Dr. Dre's "The Chronic," Beck's "Odelay," Wu-Tang Clan's "Enter the Wu-Tang," the Clash's "London Calling," Weezer's "Weezer," and the Pixies' "Doolittle." Each sold at least 20,000 copies last year.

Still, many albums that are consistently revered on critic top-ten lists of the '80s and '90s have not sold much. Joy Division's "Closer," the Smiths' "The Queen is Dead," My Bloody Valentine's "Loveless," and R.E.M.'s "Murmur" all sold 12,000 copies or less last year.

Labels often reissue classic releases to capitalize on the devotion of die-hard fans and to attract a new audience. In the past few years, revered indie label Matador Records has released Pavement's first three albums, including "Slanted and Enchanted," a disc frequently ranked among the best in the '90s.

"It's almost like a new release for us," says Matador founder Chris Lombardi. "We probably sold in a one-year period, pretty much what those records sold in their first year period when they were initially released."

Though hip-hop continues to rule today's charts, many of its most historic albums don't enjoy the catalog sales that those from rock's heyday do. Public Enemy's "It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back" sold 15,000 copies last year; Beastie Boys' "Paul's Boutique" sold 22,000; and Run-DMC's "Raising Hell" sold far less than both.

So far this year, catalog sales are down 11.7 percent, but that's stronger than overall sales, which are down 14.7 percent, according to Billboard. It's a major portion of the music business. This year's total catalog sales of 95.6 million copies accounts for about 40 percent of all albums sold physically.

When people switched from cassette tapes to compact discs, catalog sales received a windfall as people re-bought their collections. The onset of digital downloading hasn't had that affect because CDs can easily be downloaded to your iPod, but digital stores do have the advantage of unlimited (virtual) store space to sell older music.

The International Federation of the Phonographic Industry (IFPI) has pegged catalog downloads as 64 percent of all download sales in the U.S. (Apple declined to share its iTunes data on catalog sales.)
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That still leaves illegal downloads unaccounted for, as well as a more important quantity: cultural impact. Though bands like Sonic Youth, the Ramones and Public Enemy may never sell as much as other acts, their influence remains immeasurable.

"Impact is not strictly about sales," says Fricke. "Otherwise everyone would be running around forming bands that sound exactly like Poison."

Bee OK, Thursday, 19 July 2007 03:18 (eighteen years ago)

"Impact is not strictly about sales," says Fricke. "Otherwise everyone would be running around forming bands that sound exactly like Poison."

to be fair that did happen for about 3 years!

latebloomer, Thursday, 19 July 2007 03:23 (eighteen years ago)

The Trans-Siberian Orchestra's "Christmas Eve and Other Stories" (1996) continues to be a holiday favorite; it was bought 289,000 times last year.

Scary.

da croupier, Thursday, 19 July 2007 05:02 (eighteen years ago)

This year's total catalog sales of 95.6 million copies accounts for about 40 percent of all albums sold physically.

!!!

Rockist Revenge??

how does this compare to 10 years ago, 20 years ago? (talking about catalog sales as percentage of all sales)

gershy, Thursday, 19 July 2007 06:35 (eighteen years ago)

I wonder what Bon Scott would think about Back in Black's unreal success. So much for "It's a long way to the top..."

Bill Magill, Thursday, 19 July 2007 13:33 (eighteen years ago)

how does this compare to 10 years ago, 20 years ago?

Given the catalog is a LOT larger now than it was, I'm thinking catalog sales were a much smaller percentage. This is just a guess, tho.

David R., Thursday, 19 July 2007 14:30 (eighteen years ago)

Pretty surprising to discover that Thriller still regularly moves 60,000 copies per year.

Myonga Vön Bontee, Thursday, 19 July 2007 17:18 (eighteen years ago)

As much as I believe that Michael Jackson should spend the rest of his days being force fed his own tepid filth, I can totally understand people still buying Thriller, being that people still enjoy dancing, even if to deplorably dated rinky-dink cheeze whiz.

But who on God's wretched, cursed Earth is buying an Eagles album in 2007?

Alex in NYC, Thursday, 19 July 2007 17:23 (eighteen years ago)

Eagles are right in that sweet spot of convergence between classic rock and country = pwns all sales-wise

Alex in Baltimore, Thursday, 19 July 2007 17:48 (eighteen years ago)

But who on God's wretched, cursed Earth is buying an Eagles album in 2007?

No wonder people do, but I still don't understand why they are buying an obsolete mid 70s compilation when there are now better compilations including material from their entire career.

Geir Hongro, Thursday, 19 July 2007 17:56 (eighteen years ago)


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