why arent there many grime posts on ILM anymore?

or is it just cos its turning out to be a bit of a dead end and not as good as everyone hoped it might turn out to be?

still, i like that new kano album, roll deep are still big, so is jammer, and rinse fm is massive, still.

a) it's hard to get a hold of for the majority of the board (which is much less UK-based than, say, Dissensus)

b) there is less consensus around what the "big" tracks are these days, so you don't tend to get that much of the "DOWNLOAD THIS" hype-machine that ILM specialises in. Only serious devotees are likely to follow mixtapes.

c) a lot of the threads about grime were people saying "I don't understand the hype about grime/Dizzee" and then grime fans taking the opposite position. See also: the glut of threads about The Streets, M.I.A., Daft Punk... Whereas now that people have been aware of grime for two and a half years or so its existence is more tolerated or ignored by the sceptics.

Yup.

who said grime is dead anyway? the pirates are still shit hot....

also yes, no easy-access key TRACKS emerging - people tend to acquire the mixtapes at different times and so when you do get into them there's no one around to share your enthusiasm at that particular moment.

I've been told this before. I'm glad people like it.

(so many threads to come on that next trend)

As I was saying, more posts like these are exactly what we need to kickstart explicit grime fandom again on ILX.

and lethalfizzle is dead right about dissensus.

when the Kano album drops, however...mmmm.

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stormin & nasty jack were good fun on logan this week. ace little retrospect on oldskool nasty crew and old grime days, making the nu nasty crew, evolution of mcs, having a nose for a popular tune ('girls love nasty' was hotly contended, can u believe that!), negotiating the "young mentality", so on and so 4th. if anyone's interested. starts about 48mins in, hott set about a half hour later, will be gone by tuesday.

http://87.117.200.145/emap.php?c=kissradioplayer/02-2300-0100-96.wma&.wvx

"no no, don't be ashamed, cos some people... are bothered about guys."

it really is crazy, and yeah a bit depressing obv, looking back at the sheer talent happening to come together in two crews once upon a time in east london. 2 wu-tangs thrown to the wind pretty much. stormin's always been a cracking mc btw, ridiculously underrated. shame the trim beef had to happen i guess.

http://www.zshare.net/audio/storminnastyjack_b2b_140507-mp3.html

k so here's that set. fiyahhhh

sheesh you can't deny this...esp that nice bubbly perc sounds crossed w/battlestar galatica rays section (5-7 mins).

this shit is awful. 21st century skiffle.

the most i'll ever concede is it doesnt really really heat up til 4 mins in maybe. otherwise get bent u claff!

what's wrong with skiffle anyway.

that bongo bubbler is the 'stage show' riddim by skepta i think - conscious attempt to do another icerink for the nasa live shows.

you could also say the whole thing's pretty retro - in the sense that pirate radio format in itself is quite retro now. BUT there's nothing but fresh new beats on that, which is something positive to chew on innit.

Had the TV on while reading and posting here - 'the culture show' had Mark Kermode doing a piece on skiffle!

Its back in fashion ppl! get with it!!

i mean, i guess pirate radio isnt retro itself, it probly still goes on as it ever did (despite rinse's best efforts to fuck it up for everyone hem hem) but that contentment with just tearing down a ridiculous couple of hours every week is not enough for guys now.

xp: oh wasnt dizzee meant to be on that as well? i forgot to watch.

Didn't see the first 10 mins - don't think he ws. can't wait to hear 'maths and english'.

Missed Dizzee on Jools Holland - did anyone see that?

reading the skiffle wiki:

Between sets, Donegan would entertain the crowd with folk and blues, backed by bass and washboard. Colyer termed it skiffle, and soon it was more popular than the jazz that was being played.

dude's right, just like grime! i bet titchyschneider's great grandad was all like, "skiffle got shit when the MCs thought they were good enough to dominate the beats and the producers thought the MCs were good enough to make their beats more subordinate to the MCs, this has turned into a harsh and bitter jilted skiffle fan type of post."

(another thing i shoulda said about that logan show upthread: west ham fan logan managed to find some reggaeton song that carlos tevez sings on?! got a nice voice on him as well.)

is it reggaeton or cumbia villera or whatever its called i forget

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSrPIcnZbAg

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aww, brilliant

Pialo Vago - La Botella is carlitos' track according to kiss. couldnt find any other mentions sadly!

Why aren't there many charleston or foxtrot posts on ILM anymore?

hey geir! guess how many people want to know your opinion about grime? thats right! none!

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f14/snouts/wileydontcry.png

Heaven needed that "Get Me" song by whoever did that "Get Me" song.

i dont really know whats good in grime anymore...

welcome to my world.

In an other piece of Gang Gang Dance news, we are very excited to say that while the band were in London they got to record with grime MC Tynchy Stryder.

I haven't posted in this thread before but what can you say about grime unless you actually ARE overintellectualizing it?

Here's a choon! ITS ALOT! or That's BIG! are about all I can say about the shit I listen to. I just really respond favorably to the stuff I like but not really to say anything much about.

I like grime. There is a lot of great underground shit in myspace. That is mainly the stuff I am listening to.

If I were to really indulge myself and attempt to explain it, I would liken it to the concept of terroir in wine and the issue of whether one would be inclined to drink the wine, appreciating it fully, or choose to blather on about tannins and licorice notes or something. I mean, I could tell you some good wines to go out and get or some nice MCs to check out but I usually only do that if someone asks me.

Also, it seems to me that nobody really big in grime wants to get hit with that tag (what they really want to do is direct). Fear of the conclusive death of "Grime" as such is palpable to me amongst them and no one wants to be left behind is my take on that part. I haven't made a systematic search of all the grime posts here but it seems like people are usually talking about the big names whereas I think the real action is just in some bedroom on a council estate and thus in myspace.

I'd like to see more Grime posts. I'm always lookin to check out the MC du jour, shatap.

what is worth checking out nowadays on myspace? i've never really gotten into grime...

i've never really gotten into grime...

hold tite the man behind my fave thred! shh hut yuh muh!! listen blud...

http://www.myspace.com/jmeserious

JME is BIG. Not at all underground but my pick as a great place for anyone to start (and his myspace page has some great exclusive stuff on it). I LOVE HIM. We can get into sum smaller ppls if u lyk dis ting.

"My brain is like an everything factory" (i like that line)

hey i forgot abt this thread for a minute, but i like that dude a lot.

sometimes his flow on the myspace intro song reminds of eminem's "in a mercedes benz with the windows up when the temp goes up to the mid-80s" flow on forgot abt dre...

i guess i only ever heard dizzee rascal for grime before. and also this song called "no more bananas" by some crazy dude i can't remember his name, he was on a project gotham racing soundtrack which i thought was pretty funny.

buuuut....this will probably sound bad, but dizzee honestly from what i heard i just couldn't hang with his voice...i found it sort of irritating and between that and his flow sounded too hyper to me. maybe i just don't get the aesthetics of grime too well, but why is he "better" than this dude. i liked this way better.

yeah, I like dizzee ok but JME will MERK him any time blud. Reason Dizzee gets so much play and rep is because he is one of the few grime ppls dat are willin to play da industry game, be polite and show up for shit. Anyone wondering why Wiley ain't bigger (when maybe he oughta be) is because he can't be fucked to show up for anything. He is LONG blud. JME don't really need anything because all dem dudes are sellin tons of BBK t-shirts (@ £20 each, I read like thousands of em). I love how his myspace is all about the counterfeit t-shirts and shit. JME makes me laugh like no other MC, he is really fuckin jokes. I like how they like to make up words and catch jokes offa watchin em propagate (Zampas, poomplex, derkhead, etc). JME and Skepta are at the top of the game, no doubt.

Of the Movement guys, I think Wretch's video is great (what did u think?) but the album is a bit boring and he can't really step in da youtube clips all dat well. Ghetto is at the top and he is really impressive but I just don't like him as much as JME. Bashy is pretty cool, his mixtape is about to drop soon, but he gets merked on youtube pretty standardly. Jammer is BAD, if you are lkn for sumtin fresh, you have to love "Its Alot" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhPyQSVb8fA

with your firm grasp of the argot, you must be a native east londoner.

close, southside Chicago! BRAP!!

hey, that JME dude is pretty good. just the other day i thought to myself "huh, the grime stuff didn't work out, i guess".

OK, I'm sort of keeping up my getting into grime after everyone stopped caring about it like 2 years ago thing....

I got "Treddin On Thin Ice" by Wiley in the used CD bin for $2...am really digging it...again, I like his voice a lot more than Dizzee's, easier to understand and I guess I'm a cornee rockist fuck in that way, i like lyrics in my rap type musiks...

but yeah I like the sort of off kilter beats, if i was smarter and knew more I would guess that it has some influence of really old digital dancehall stuff like that sleng teng riddim thread stuff, but who know, maybe it's jungle or drum n bass or whatever, it's all a mystery to me the UK dance music history stuff.

But yeah I like it! "Pies" is a sweet song! Good hook. Some of the dudes that guest star are even better rappers than Wiley himself, but i thought he was maybe more of a producer dude who raps like Dr. Dre or something

grime is boring now. the production levels are crapola.

what can you say about grime unless you actually ARE overintellectualizing it

vs

I'd like to see more Grime posts.

eh Saxby??

Oh my, the Saxby patois. 'llow dat, blud.

some good posts about grime here -

Is it important that music is "relevant", and what does that really mean?

with your firm grasp of the argot, you must be a native east londoner.

-- That one guy that hit it and quit it, Wednesday, December 12, 2007 6:02 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark Link

close, southside Chicago! BRAP!!

-- Saxby D. Elder, Wednesday, December 12, 2007 6:32 PM

lol'ing so hard

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyde_Park%2C_Chicago

b) there is less consensus around what the "big" tracks are these days, so you don't tend to get that much of the "DOWNLOAD THIS" hype-machine that ILM specialises in.

I miss 2005.