Help me to enjoy earlier Animal Collective stuff / Animal Collective OPO

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Okay, yes another AC thread, I'm sorry.

Over the last year I've foudn Sung Tongs has gone from being to me a so so interesting indie album to possibly the most exciting and beautiful thing I've heard in a long time. Repeated plays have helped to establish this. However I'm having trouble liking their other albums and I'm hoping someone can sort of convince me or help me to see past my qualms.

Campfire Songs: A lot of people on ILM have said this is in fact a better album on the whole than Sung Tongs. Reviews say that this is a truly beautiful record. It's okay to me but perhaps a little grey and single-chord. Please tell me why you like this album.

Here Comes The Indian: It's all over the place. The first track lasts forever and is boring. The rest of the album sounds okay but I don't feel very patient especially after the first bit of it.

Danse Manatee/Spirit They've Gone: There are a few moments where it all comes together yet they're few and far between. I'm not sure I Like the electronic elements as it reminds me of all the folktronica crap that's out there. I've got the double edition and finding it hard to scratch the surface of it cos it's so sprawling. What are the essential tracks on it.

Also, to help me more an OPO of AC would be much appreciated.

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 9 June 2005 23:51 (twenty years ago)

Campfire Songs: A lot of people on ILM have said this is in fact a better album on the whole than Sung Tongs. Reviews say that this is a truly beautiful record. It's okay to me but perhaps a little grey and single-chord. Please tell me why you like this album.

Because it's soothing, and sleepy. It's not schizophrenic like a lot of their other stuff. It's also in no way an Elephant 6 throwback! (cue dudes telling me I am wrong.)

Ian John50n (orion), Friday, 10 June 2005 00:07 (twenty years ago)

Sorry for being thick but what's Elephant 6 again?

dog latin (dog latin), Friday, 10 June 2005 00:11 (twenty years ago)

A psychpop collective based out of Athens, Georgia, heydays ca. 1996-2000. Apples in Stereo, Olivia Tremor Control, Neutral Milk Hotel. Elf Power, Of Montreal, Beulah, Gerbils, etc.

Scott Gruender, Friday, 10 June 2005 00:14 (twenty years ago)

You're having a hard time because Danse Manatee/SpiritThey've Gone actually IS crap!

Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Friday, 10 June 2005 02:40 (twenty years ago)

not like 6 cuz, like em or hatem, not ultimately just derivative and middle of the road like 99% of 6ers. i like the first 2 best and wish they had continued along that path more.

jack cole (jackcole), Friday, 10 June 2005 03:06 (twenty years ago)

spirit is still my favorite. i can't get into sung tongs at all.

strng hlkngtn, Friday, 10 June 2005 03:11 (twenty years ago)

i think i feel exactly the same as you, DL! i feel like theres good potential for me to one day love love love all the pre-sungtongs stuff, but it hasnt happened yet...

peter smith (plsmith), Friday, 10 June 2005 03:34 (twenty years ago)

Danse Manatee, when I first heard it, reminded me of a lower-fi Legendary Pink Dots. Not a particularly good thing (it has bright spots). I couldn't understand why people were into the band until I saw them live and chalked it up to a failed recording experiment.

william fields, Friday, 10 June 2005 13:33 (twenty years ago)

its been a while since ive listened to a lot of it and im free of stimulents, so i dont quite recall my arguments in the past. that said...

campfiresongs is sprawling, sensual, and evokitive (meaning it evokes/enduces a variety of sensational reactions). entirely dif't from sung tongs and much of the other AC material.

here comes the indian has a brilliant mix of runs, twirls, and hops about musics of variety. it can be tough to listen to if you are looking for something singular, like sung tongs.

reviewing danse/spirit i went on and on like this:

Despite staggering variety of odd electronics, effects, and in-organic tools employed in recording the two artifacts collected here, an overwhelming humanity permeates what could otherwise be dismissed as pagan soundscapes. “Spirit, They’ve Vanished” beams open the first disc, Animal Collective’s initial offering, with a zap! pow! zoom! into a slightly just off landscape – a better present – all sundown whispers, warbles, clicks, and wavers worming about into a ball of twee pop before the splintered full-moon lunacy, spastic strums and shouts, and crazed blurting of “April and The Phantom” firmly sets the tone for the rest of the record. This early collaboration between Avey Tare and Panda Bear revolves around an intricate nucleus of classic pop song structures in an entirely irregular orbit. Bursts of feedback, mechanical hums, electric bugs, timing lost guitar strumming, and head in and out of the sand vocals thrillingly disguise proper pop without venturing soo far into free expression that draws up condemnation as child’s play.

The ten tracks collected here may expose the seeds of future flowers but never underwhelm like a sack of magic beans. Instead, tracks like “Penny Dreadfuls” and “Someday I’ll grow up to be as tall as the giants” draw upon the stirring yearnings of young artists to reach out and expand their world. Avey Tare’s pained disguised vocals occasionally gain sublime lucidity and clarity amidst the mystic, jazzy arrangements as though trying to escape to trappings of a mechanical age.

Spirit’s profound closing track finds the Collective at their most accomplished. A piano led chaos begging “what now little children,” “Alvin Row” recalls the whimsical trips inside human perception of Syd Barrett’s Pink Floyd or jazzy acidfolk of Tim Buckely’s Lorca.

The follow-up, 2001’s Danse Manatee, showcases improved technological prowess on a collection of more listenable works, perhaps at the cost of decreased overt engagement. An icy atmosphere of winter twilight seemingly stifles the Collective. Songs are more sparsely arranged and more deftly performed, but appear less developed and immediate. Chilly electronic chirpings mix with synthesized drones over splattering free drumming producing tones of secluded abandonment and tension. Tare’s vocals on “Meet the Light Child”, “Bad Crumbs” and other tracks lack the urgent appeals of earlier works; instead his whispered moans drift serenely – almost ambivalently – above the frozen ground of Panda Bear and Geologist’s electronics.

Despite this aloofness, Danse Manatee springs from the same childlike playfulness of Spirit, carving out unique strong structures and compelling melodies. “Another White Singer (little White Glove)” plays on the edge of dance-pop but refuses to fall into clichéd phrases or plastic production. These songs inherently refuse banal consumption and contain, despite their highly electronic parts, a purely human and humanist heart. “The Living Toys” trumps The Nutcracker and Toy Story, animating a Frankenstein’s doll of warbling electronics, pained vocals, and waking from a coma guitars. “Thrown the Round Ball” goes one step further. Here the living toys frolic and play about Pinocchio, now transformed to a real boy.

Prior to this re-issue, Animal Collective’s early work has been overshadowed by the critical flowering over their most recent releases. This year’s acoustic folk suite, Campfire Songs, and electric folk experience, Her Comes the Indian, have garnered all the attention, but these two introductory works often offer ambitious and dizzyingly intriguing bits of lunatic pop which deny standard description. The lads may seem hell bent on delirium, but their music is far less than that. These are just folk songs. Music of people for people.

b b, Friday, 10 June 2005 13:41 (twenty years ago)

every day, in every way, they're getting better and betterer.

Beta (abeta), Friday, 10 June 2005 13:43 (twenty years ago)

They need to do a live album!

nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 10 June 2005 13:45 (twenty years ago)

granted, my introduction to them was live...which can be a strong determinant in how you first hear the recorded stuff...so yes to a live album

b b, Friday, 10 June 2005 13:46 (twenty years ago)

They did already (do a live album).

Mark (MarkR), Friday, 10 June 2005 13:47 (twenty years ago)

theres also the Jane record that Noah did with Scott Mau out on Paw Tracks now (p'fork do a review of the bonus track today i posted a review of the album yesterday)... dift from the other AC, but pretty damned good

b b, Friday, 10 June 2005 13:48 (twenty years ago)

Campfire Songs was recorded live, no?

Tripmaker (SDWitzm), Friday, 10 June 2005 14:02 (twenty years ago)

Like, without overdubs, I mean. Not in front of an audience.

Tripmaker (SDWitzm), Friday, 10 June 2005 14:06 (twenty years ago)

Man, Campfire Songs is sounding REALLY GOOD to me now. I may just go buy that at lunch!

nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 10 June 2005 14:15 (twenty years ago)

My favorite is Here Comes The Indian. There's one track that sounds like Christian Marclay collaborating with Pelt! (sorry, I don't have the album in front of me, but I think it's track 5).

Jeff Sumner (Jeff Sumner), Friday, 10 June 2005 19:44 (twenty years ago)

seven months pass...
After nearly exactly a year since I first heard it - I get "Spirit They've Gone"! I think I was initially put off by some of the noisier first couple of tracks but after hearing "Feels" it makes a lot more sense for some reason. "La Panet" (or whatever it's called) and "Alvin Row" are amazing tracks.

The only one I still haven't fallen in love with is "Here Comes The Indian".

Wogan Lenin (dog latin), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 15:57 (twenty years ago)


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