"Disco infernal" -- Gary Valentine, ex-Blondie, on, indeed, disco

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Disco infernal
Peter Shapiro and Dave Haslam take Gary Lachman back to the 70s with Turn the Beat Around and This Is Not Abba

Saturday June 11, 2005
The Guardian

Turn the Beat Around: The Secret History of Disco by Peter Shapiro (339pp, Faber, £12.99)
This Is Not Abba: The True Story of the Seventies by Dave Haslam (359pp, Fourth Estate, £12.99)
I never understood 70s nostalgia. Having lived through the decade, to resuscitate its icons strikes me as aberrant. Bad TV, such as Starsky and Hutch. Bad fashion, such as flares. Bad hair cuts (take your pick). And, worst of all, bad music. Exercises in pomposity such as Yes; paragons of banality such as the Osmonds. Just plain boring, like the Eagles. Even Bowie's transgressive space opera strikes me as almost unlistenable today. I'm biased, I know, but except for a few anomalies, for me the decade really didn't get going until what we call "punk" lifted its spiky head out of the gutters of New York and London. In both cities, giving the finger to the bloated hierarchy of rococo and roll was punk's brief raison d'être. But in Manhattan in 1975, there was an even more immediate target: disco.

Disco sucked, full stop. So, according to the author of Turn the Beat Around, I and my friends, who wore buttons announcing this, were part of the campaign of "racism" and "homophobia" that brought disco down. We were discophobes, to coin a phrase. But I was never afraid of disco. It just sucked. It sucked at Hurrahs, it sucked at Club 82, and it sucked the one time I got into Studio 54. Repetitive, vulgar and dull, listening to disco was like having the morning after without the night before. So imagine my surprise when I discovered that I could nevertheless enjoy a book about it. Turn the Beat Around didn't make me like it any better (don't expect miracles), but it did show that something repellent could still be the focus of an interesting work of cultural history. I was familiar, sadly, with the later stages of disco's career, from the cloying mindlessness of "Staying Alive", to Rod Stewart's excruciating "Do Ya Think I'm Sexy" (to which everyone I knew answered "No"), so I was particularly caught by Peter Shapiro's earlier chapters. Not many who got off on poppers, cocaine and pre-Aids promiscuity could link their anonymous hedonism to the Swing Jugend (Swing Kids) of Nazi Germany, teenagers who risked their lives by breaking the ban on "decadent" jazz, and indulging in clandestine dance parties, gyrating to stacks of Louis Armstrong records, nor to their Parisian counterparts, the Zazous. Shapiro sets the tone for his revisionist apology by placing the later community of disco pleasure-seekers in the same outlaw light. I'm not entirely convinced by the connection, but Shapiro's rundown on the "prehistory of disco", from Motown, the early New York "loft scene", through northern soul, and Sylvester and the San Francisco sound, for example, is a good read, and full of enough musical arcana to keep a trivia anorak up at night. There is, in fact, sometimes too much information about DJs, clubs, producers and records - at times I felt I had been cornered by an over-fervent devotee, eager to communicate his zeal - but anyone with an interest in the people who made the music will be grateful for Shapiro's knowledge.

His bigger picture prompts consideration too. Shapiro argues that, tossing off the 60s' bogey of relevance, and embracing an ethos of uninhibited egoism and decadence, disco, for all its superficiality, was really an expression of America's dark psyche, emerging from the debris of the Black Power movement, fuelled by a failing economy, and focusing gays into a self-aware community. Its mechanical beat - guaranteed to drive someone like me batty - opened the doors to techno, house and hip-hop, and so made possible the rise of the DJ. The point's well taken and I put down the book knowing a great deal more about disco than I ever wanted to. But it didn't change my mind. It still sucks.

There's some disco in Dave Haslam's This Is Not Abba: The Real Story of the 1970s; the bad kind, according to Shapiro, the stuff Saturday Night Fever spawned. Haslam paints a broader canvas and Shapiro's complaint, that the disco we all know (the Village People, and so on) is really the decadent finale of a much more vital musical genre, fits in well with Haslam's thesis. This Is Not Abba takes as its starting point the insidious effects of "abbafication", Haslam's decade-specific term for what is really a perennial bad habit: sentimentalising the past. Nostalgia is false memory, highlighting "good" and "fun" elements of a previous time, while ignoring the rest.

In Haslam's case, the 70s nostalgia industry has erected a false image of the decade, anchored in Abba, and festooned with flares, platforms, spacehoppers and glitterballs. Haslam is determined to set the record straight and offers an exhaustive survey of a 70s the revival merchants want to avoid. A quick checklist gives us Iggy and the Stooges, Linda Lovelace, football hooligans, the Symbionese Liberation Army, Rock Against Racism, Son of Sam, gay lib, sinking economies, IRA bombings, the Yorkshire Ripper, Patti Smith, Baader-Meinhof, punk and lots of drugs. Having not, I think, been abbafied myself, much of the evidence Haslam marshals was familiar; nevertheless, I enjoyed the refresher course and, aside from a couple of snags (there's some repetition and his "eye witness" accounts sometimes slow the narrative), I was happy to remember all those Mott the Hoople and Velvets albums I hadn't heard for awhile.

The 70s, of course, isn't the only decade to suffer from misrepresentation; think of all that 60s rhetoric about peace and love, which ignores the darker side of the decade. And some 70s characters themselves indulged in their own brand of abbafication: think of the punk appropriation of the swastika, aes- theticising the symbol but jettisoning its history, or, perhaps worse, revelling in its power to shock, while ignoring why it could. Unfortunately, the kind of false memory Haslam rejects isn't limited to a particular time, and given the available technology, it will more than likely become par for the course: witness the new breed of adverts that manipulate past media for present purposes, Gene Kelly doing the robot, Churchill scratching discs. Funny, maybe, but remembering faithfully is tough work.

Besides presenting welcome revisions, both books are grab bags of 70s anecdotes. My favourite from Shapiro is his account of the "Death to Disco" bloodletting, instigated by a US red-neck DJ and resulting in a real disco inferno, when fans stormed the field and mounds of LPs were set ablaze at a baseball stadium. Haslam recounts a similar if less violent expression of disgust when, in 1973, a DJ in Los Angeles locked himself in the studio and played "Puppy Love" non-stop for 90 minutes, in protest at the saccharine hit. Eventually, fearing for his sanity - and, I guess, that of his listeners - the police broke in and lifted the needle. They just don't write 'em like they used to. "Hustle", anyone?

· Gary Lachman was a founding member of Blondie, as Gary Valentine, and is the author of New York Rocker: My Life in the Blank Generation, 1974-1981 (Sidgwick& Jackson).

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This was posted in the Adam Ant/Prince thread, prompting donut to suggest a new thread, and adding these comments:

VERY interesting double book review, to say the least (I haven't read either book, so I can't say if Lachman is being a moron or a genius, or somewhere in between.)....That said, the history of "Disco Sucks" is just as warped as the history of disco, it seems these days. "Disco Sucks" was NOT just a hivemind homophobic reaction to the first full-fledged era of highly influential dance music. You can state that as far as the listening public goes.. (given that "the public" is generally homophobic even 25 years later, that's not a shocking revelation.), but what's forgotten is just HOW MUCH MONEY was funnelled into disco records as opposed to developing new artists, at the time. It was unfathomable. In fact, in 1980, when it all crashed, it practically bankrupted the music industry. So, musicians from the time have every right to remember "disco" in a not-so-fond way... but their distaste, mostly, is not rooted in homophobia at all, but in pure industry glutton.

And now we can talk further.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 11 June 2005 17:45 (twenty years ago)

Gary Lachman was a founding member of Gay Dad.

Taste the Blood of Scrovula (noodle vague), Saturday, 11 June 2005 17:50 (twenty years ago)

I resisted making that joke, and yet, oh so tempting.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 11 June 2005 17:54 (twenty years ago)

He has nothing of interest to say. I assume his perspective on music hasn't changed one iota since 1975, and I wonder what kind of person can think exactly the same way as they did 30 years ago. I'd say, not a very bright one.

Taste the Blood of Scrovula (noodle vague), Saturday, 11 June 2005 17:58 (twenty years ago)

The 70s, of course, isn't the only decade to suffer from misrepresentation; think of all that 60s rhetoric about peace and love, which ignores the darker side of the decade.

Gary Lachman/Valentine actually wrote a pretty good book about the dark side of the '60s called Turn Off Your Mind. This article makes it sound like he's just bitter that he wasn't in Blondie anymore during the fun, disco period.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Saturday, 11 June 2005 18:04 (twenty years ago)

I was gonna say, "Rapture" and "Heart of Glass" to the muthafuckin' thread yo . . . .

Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Saturday, 11 June 2005 18:10 (twenty years ago)

Does he go bananas if you mention that Heart of Glass is Blondie's best song?

Cunga (Cunga), Saturday, 11 June 2005 18:23 (twenty years ago)

Ahhhhh, he's so dull. Rip him to shreds.

Taste the Blood of Scrovula (noodle vague), Saturday, 11 June 2005 18:25 (twenty years ago)

I was gonna say, wasn't he the one who sued Blondie, but that was the bass player who came after him. Gary Valentine wasn't in Blondie very long, though. Probably a good thing.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Saturday, 11 June 2005 18:38 (twenty years ago)

Sure, lots of money was funneled into disco records, but the record biz didn't stop chasing other trends/genres -- punk, New Wave, power pop, pomp rock all got major pushes. It's certainly not like non-disco musicians were ignored, even at the height of the boom.

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Saturday, 11 June 2005 19:09 (twenty years ago)

Gary Lachman was a founding member of Gay Dad.

Isn't "Gary Lachman was a founding member of Blondie" punchline enough?

The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Saturday, 11 June 2005 19:26 (twenty years ago)

I guess in the context of what he says, yeah. If that's what you mean.

Taste the Blood of Scrovula (noodle vague), Saturday, 11 June 2005 19:28 (twenty years ago)

I put down the book knowing a great deal more about disco than I ever wanted to. But it didn't change my mind. It still sucks.

MY MIND IS MADE UP! DON'T CONFUSE ME WITH THE FACTS!

This is up there with Dero's "Why The Eighties Sucked" for myopia disguised as insight.

Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Saturday, 11 June 2005 20:23 (twenty years ago)

that review is utterly depressing. i'm quite psyched about the Shapiro book though, was it him who wrote the Mutant Disco primer in The Wire?. After all the excitement surrounding "rip it up..." it seems that this one will probably be the book (i didn't know i was) waiting for all along.

jed_ (jed), Saturday, 11 June 2005 20:57 (twenty years ago)

er...

"the book (i didn't know) i was waiting for all along."

jed_ (jed), Saturday, 11 June 2005 20:58 (twenty years ago)

Valentine may have been in the band when Blondie first wrote and demo'ed "Heart of Glass" in 1975. If so, I guess he considered more of a piss-take than an homage.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Saturday, 11 June 2005 21:00 (twenty years ago)

I like the way he writes, anyway.

Orbit (Orbit), Saturday, 11 June 2005 21:09 (twenty years ago)

MindInRewind, you refer to a demo of 'Heart of Glass' dating from 1975.. presumably it wasn't written as a disco song but was rearranged much later?

Oak (small items), Saturday, 11 June 2005 21:12 (twenty years ago)

to Rod Stewart's excruciating "Do Ya Think I'm Sexy" (to which everyone I knew answered "No")

OH THE AMAZING CLEVERNESS

MindInRewind, you refer to a demo of 'Heart of Glass' dating from 1975.. presumably it wasn't written as a disco song but was rearranged much later?

the demo of it on the Chrysalis reissues a few years aback (I think this one was on Plastic Letters) was titled "The Disco Song"

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Saturday, 11 June 2005 21:35 (twenty years ago)

I'm biased, I know, but except for a few anomalies, for me the decade really didn't get going until what we call "punk" lifted its spiky head out of the gutters of New York and London.

I love how he goes stresses that punk was rilly important and that we shouldn't cutesify the past...but yet when all's said and done, punk = spiky hair.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Saturday, 11 June 2005 21:43 (twenty years ago)

the demo of it .. was titled "The Disco Song"

OK.

Oak (small items), Saturday, 11 June 2005 21:50 (twenty years ago)

And come to think of it, it's pretty damned rich for him to rail against the mispresentation and sentimentalization of the past when that was the WHOLE RAISON D'ETRE OF BLONDIE WHEN HE WAS STILL IN THE GROUP! Only their subject was not the seventies but the fifties and pre-Beatle sixties, b-movies, farfisa organs and girl groups, not "flares, platforms, spacehoppers and glitterballs." I mean, c'mon..."The Attack of the Giant Ants"? Fucking Mr. Short-term Memory here.

The rage of Caliban seeing his own face in the mirror to thread, please.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Saturday, 11 June 2005 22:03 (twenty years ago)

I may be astoundingly wrong, but I seem to remember hearing that "Heart of Glass" was originally written as a reggae song.

Ark Hopping (avoid80), Saturday, 11 June 2005 22:08 (twenty years ago)

are you sure you're not thinking of "The Tide Is High"?

donut e-goon (donut), Saturday, 11 June 2005 22:23 (twenty years ago)

Or, as it was known in demo form, "The Reggae Song".

Taste the Blood of Scrovula (noodle vague), Saturday, 11 June 2005 22:25 (twenty years ago)

"Hey, how's 'The Morricone Song' coming along?"

"We're working on 'The Rap Song' now."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 11 June 2005 22:31 (twenty years ago)

20 years later:

"Hey, check this! I call it 'The Pub Rock Song'"

Taste the Blood of Scrovula (noodle vague), Saturday, 11 June 2005 22:34 (twenty years ago)

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00005MNP9/qid=1118533478/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/002-1861848-1088860

"Once I Had a Love (The Disco Song 1975)" is track 14

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Saturday, 11 June 2005 22:45 (twenty years ago)

No I remember hearing someone mention that "Heart of Glass" was written as a reggae song too. Might have been on a VH1 show I think. But I guess they decided early on for it to be disco.

Mike O. (Mike Ouderkirk), Saturday, 11 June 2005 23:48 (twenty years ago)

they probably tried it a few ways, yeah. that's just the one I'd heard of.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Saturday, 11 June 2005 23:49 (twenty years ago)

Duke Reid wrote The Tide is High Blondie just covered it.
VG

VG (1411), Sunday, 12 June 2005 04:17 (twenty years ago)

Jees, he's still a weeny.

As a contempory of Mr Gary, I'd like to clarify that the thing about disco that unsettled 'us' was the fact that it presented an equally viable alternative to mainstream whatever--plus, there was a class thing--it *seemed* like disco people had, or had access to money. And there was the gay thing, which didn't settle well with many if the 'punks' (the idea that Mr Gary--or Blondie--were ever 'punk' is just goofy.)

Whatever--one of my fave memories of this period was watching Iggy quaalude stumble-dance to that Silver Connection hit at a skeezy boy-hustler bar aptly naked The Chicken Shack.

Good enough for Iggy, I figured...

Ian in Brooklyn, Sunday, 12 June 2005 04:59 (twenty years ago)


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