Bush - Razorblade Suitcase C/D

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i just found out that this was produced by steve albini.
listening to it right now...i'd say dud

That One Guy (That One Guy), Sunday, 12 June 2005 01:54 (twenty years ago)

"Swallowed" is classic, the rest very forgettable (as evidenced by my not really remembering it)

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Sunday, 12 June 2005 01:58 (twenty years ago)

they have a best of coming out tuesday.
were they big in the uk?

That One Guy (That One Guy), Sunday, 12 June 2005 02:04 (twenty years ago)

No, they were nobodies in the UK, best known for being that british band who were inexplicably popular in America.

minolta (minolta), Sunday, 12 June 2005 03:42 (twenty years ago)

Jet is really just the Aussie Bush.

Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Sunday, 12 June 2005 03:45 (twenty years ago)

Jet's new album The Grey Month is being produced by Dave Fridmann, incidentally.

Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Sunday, 12 June 2005 03:46 (twenty years ago)

Wow, Jet and Dave Fridmann?

That might either Blow or Suck.

No, but seriously. That might not be bad.

Michael Costello (MichaelCostello1), Sunday, 12 June 2005 04:48 (twenty years ago)

How could a Jet record not be bad??

tonyD (noiseyrock), Sunday, 12 June 2005 05:23 (twenty years ago)

If you add "Here Come the Warm ___s" to it.

latebloomer: Pain Don't Hurt (latebloomer), Sunday, 12 June 2005 05:25 (twenty years ago)

LOLZ inside ILM eno joke.

Andrzej B. (Andrzej B.), Sunday, 12 June 2005 10:40 (twenty years ago)

Hardy Har Har

That One Guy (That One Guy), Sunday, 12 June 2005 15:07 (twenty years ago)

Albini? What was he thinking. (Most likely dollar signs.) Well at any rate, I always thought "Greedy Fly" rocked, and "Swallowed" I really hated back in the day, but I suppose it's not as bad as I originally thought - the thing that mostly bothered me about it is in the video they show Gavin playing a solo when it wasn't his solo.

"Mouth" is one of the worst songs I've ever heard - especially that remix version from I Know What You Did Last Summer or whatever boring-mid-90s-teen-horror movie it was from.

billstevejim (billstevejim), Sunday, 12 June 2005 15:18 (twenty years ago)

i think it was american warewolf in paris or something like that

That One Guy (That One Guy), Sunday, 12 June 2005 15:19 (twenty years ago)

For Canadians this thread is called "Bush X - Razorblade Suitcase C/D".

La Monte (La Monte), Sunday, 12 June 2005 15:36 (twenty years ago)

Intensely, dreadfully, painfully dud.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 12 June 2005 16:45 (twenty years ago)

Dud, whether the band has an X on it or not.

Speaking of Canadianizing the band, I think that one thing that would have improved Bush immensely would have been replacing Gavin Rossdale with Gavin, that nerdy kid played by Bruce McCulloch in Kids in the Hall.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Sunday, 12 June 2005 16:48 (twenty years ago)

Hasn't Albini often stated that he'll record anyone willing to pay his price, which he jacks up for bad major label acts?

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Sunday, 12 June 2005 16:48 (twenty years ago)

Dud, whether the band has an X on it or not.

Speaking of Canadianizing the band, I think that one thing that would have improved Bush immensely would have been replacing Gavin Rossdale with Gavin, that nerdy kid played by Bruce McCulloch in Kids in the Hall.

-- Sean Carruthers (oneiro...), June 12th, 2005.

OTFM!

latebloomer: Pain Don't Hurt (latebloomer), Sunday, 12 June 2005 17:07 (twenty years ago)

is that character the one that only ate onions or something like that?

That One Guy (That One Guy), Sunday, 12 June 2005 17:17 (twenty years ago)

Any UK band trying to sound American is dud.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 13 June 2005 08:47 (twenty years ago)

What about the Beatles?

Ha! pwned!!!

Taste the Blood of Scrovula (noodle vague), Monday, 13 June 2005 08:49 (twenty years ago)

Dud.

zeus, Monday, 13 June 2005 10:26 (twenty years ago)

was this the album with Glycerine on it?

Dixon marche on, Monday, 13 June 2005 10:45 (twenty years ago)

i once heard a great story about a friend of an ex being high out of his mind and wandering from gay club to gay club with this album on his walkman thinking he had woken up in some boschian hell where all the beautiful boys had twisted gargoyle faces and he was listening to the soundtrack for the end times and he was going to die that night. so i'ma say classic.

strng hlkngtn, Monday, 13 June 2005 10:48 (twenty years ago)

whatevs, the guy's a turd

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v93/shatterglas_bleed20/gavin_rossdale_02.jpg

DMO, Monday, 13 June 2005 10:51 (twenty years ago)

Bush in general = Dud. This particular record, kudos for naming it Razorblade Suitcase at the same time Pere Ubu's Ray Gun Suitcase came out. Fuck you, Bush.

geyser muffler and a quarter (Dave225), Monday, 13 June 2005 11:22 (twenty years ago)

An example of what happens when you water down Catherine Wheel's Chrome to radio-hit consistency. The lyrics are pretty fucking hysterical, though. Hysterically bad. Dud.

Ian Riese-Moraine: exposing ambitious careerists as charlatans since 1986. (East, Monday, 13 June 2005 11:33 (twenty years ago)

Gavin Rossdale was surely the Peter Frampton of the 1990s.

Deluxe (Damian), Monday, 13 June 2005 11:43 (twenty years ago)

he's the archetypal douche

DMO, Monday, 13 June 2005 11:47 (twenty years ago)

What about the Beatles?

They defined the archetypical English sound (that Bush sound nothing like)

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 13 June 2005 12:54 (twenty years ago)

Bush hasn't been known as Bush X in Canada since 1997 when they sorted that out.

gspm (gspm), Monday, 13 June 2005 13:05 (twenty years ago)

I'm wondering, how many of the people responding have actually heard this album in its entirety? I mean, Sixteen Stone I might believe, but I'm pretty sure Razorblade Suitcase wasn't good enough to hold the attention of non-fans for an entire album. Seems odd that this many people (on ILM) would actually know it well enough to comment.

I'm sure few people would agree, but "Greedy Fly" by itself I would throw into "classic." I'll accept "Swallowed," although it is a dud. They're both middle ground, just barely passing over the line of C/D.

billstevejim (billstevejim), Monday, 13 June 2005 19:25 (twenty years ago)

The lyrics are pretty fucking hysterical, though. Hysterically bad.

OTM!

"Glycerine"

Must be your skin that I'm sinkin in
Must be for real cause now I can feel
and I didn't mind
it's not my kind
not my time to wonder why
everything's gone white
and everything's grey
now your here now you away
I don't want this
remember that
I'll never forget where your at
don't let the days go by
glycerine

I'm never alone
I'm alone all the time
are you at one
or do you lie
we live in a wheel
where everyone steals
but when we rise it's like strawberry fields

If I treated you bad
you bruise my face
couldn't love you more
you got a beautiful taste
don't let the days go by
could have been easier on you
I coudn't change though I wanted to
could have been easier by three
our old friend fear and you and me
glycerine (repeat)
don't let the days go by
glycerine

I needed you more
when we wanted us less
I could not kiss just regress
it might just be
clear simple and plain
that's just fine
that's just one of my names
don't let the days go by
could've been easier on you
glycerine

"Machine Head"

breathe in breathe out
breathe in breathe out
breathe in

breathe in breathe out
breathe in breathe out
breathe in

tied to a wheel fingers got to feel
(...???...)
i spin on a whim i slide to the right
i felt you like electric light
for our love
for our fear
for our rise against the years and years and years

got a machinehead better than the rest
green to red machinehead
got a machinehead better than the rest
green to red
and i walk from my machine
i walk from my machine

breathe in breathe out
breathe in breathe out
breathe in

deaf dumb and thirty
starting to deserve this
leaning on my conscience wall
blood is like wine
unconscious all the time
if i had it all again
i'd change it all

got a machinehead better than the rest
green to red machinehead
got a machinehead better than the rest
green to red
and i walk from my machine
i walk from my machine

breathe in breathe out
breathe in breathe out
breathe in
breathe in
breathe in

got a machinehead better than the rest
green to red machinehead
got a machinehead better than the rest
green to red
better than the rest
better than the rest
machinehead

and i walk from my machine
i walk from my machine

"Everything Zen"

There must be something we can eat
Maybe find another lover
Should I fly to Los Angeles
Find my asshole brother
Mickey Mouse has grown up a cow
Dave's on sale again
We kissy kiss in the rear view
We're so bored
You're to blame


Try to see it once my way
Everything zen
Everything zen
I don't think so


Raindogs howl for the century
A million dollars a stake
As you search for your demi-god
And you fake with a saint
There's no sex in your violence
There's no sex in your violence


Try to see it once my way
Everything zen
Everything zen
I don't think so


I don't believe that Elvis is dead
I don't believe that Elvis is dead
I don't believe that Elvis is, Elvis is


There's no sex in your violence


latebloomer: Pain Don't Hurt (latebloomer), Monday, 13 June 2005 21:02 (twenty years ago)

What about the Beatles?

They defined the archetypical English sound (that Bush sound nothing like)

-- Geir Hongro (geirhon...), June 13th, 2005. (later)

That wasn't the Beatles, that was Peter Sellers' cover of "A Hard Day's Night"

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 13 June 2005 21:11 (twenty years ago)

Weird, I JUST learned of the existance of that cover about 30 seconds ago.

billstevejim (billstevejim), Monday, 13 June 2005 21:19 (twenty years ago)

Cold Contagious and Bonedriven are the best songs on Razorblade Suitcase.

AdrianB (AdrianB), Monday, 13 June 2005 21:38 (twenty years ago)

I'm wondering, how many of the people responding have actually heard this album in its entirety? I mean, Sixteen Stone I might believe, but I'm pretty sure Razorblade Suitcase wasn't good enough to hold the attention of non-fans for an entire album. Seems odd that this many people (on ILM) would actually know it well enough to comment.

Ach. I had no choice, my then g/f was a HUGE Bush fan (stop giggling at the back there). I even got dragged along to see them a couple of times (they were quite tolerable live, actually).

As for Razorblade Suitcase, Cold Contagious, A Tendency To Start Fires and Bonedriven were pretty good. At least half of it is dreadful filler though. Everyone OTM on the appalling lyrics, btw.

I may be the only non-Bush-fan alive that thought their best was The Science Of Things, though. Perhaps it's just me.

Si.C@rter (SiC@rter), Monday, 13 June 2005 21:50 (twenty years ago)

So bad. So very very bad.

A "friend" of mine in college, a friend whom I wrongly thought possessed pretty good taste in music, gave me 'Sixteen Stone' for my 18th birthday.
Thankfully our friendship was such that I opened it and said 'Why the hell did you buy me this? They suck!" and he was all "Oh but I heard good reviews, and 'Glycerine' is a really cool song...' - PFFFFFHHHTTTTTT! ...I still don't fucking know what Glycerine is about, and I still hate Bush. Curse them and their suitcases.

VegemiteGrrl (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 02:50 (twenty years ago)

I don't see how their lyrics are worse than 95% of all modern rock lyrics.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 02:56 (twenty years ago)

xpost: The missing line in "Machine Head" is "Bleeding through a tourniquet smile".

Anyway, I always thought of Bush as some bizarro-world, 90210 version of Nirvana, as if a grunge band had been auditioned boy-band style. Some of the singles hold up (I always dug "Comedown"), and Gavin has this interesting exhaling-through-the-nose-overtone thing happening in his vocals, but I don't think these guys are due for Hipster Reappraisal (tm) just yet. (And I can't help but think that they helped to usher in Three Doors Down and all those other awful "yarl" bands....)

Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 02:59 (twenty years ago)

Oh, and a forgotten fragment of Things Said And Done At Parties While In College:

"Don't make your babe say 'bye'... LISTERINE!"

Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 03:02 (twenty years ago)

"Comedown" has kind of typical sounding verses that lead to an otherwise outstanding chorus. I would say the chorus of "Comedown" justifies Bush's existance.

billstevejim (billstevejim), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 03:12 (twenty years ago)

Why did they decide to print the lyrics on the inside sleeve of their albums? Oh God but they're dreadful.

dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 10:24 (twenty years ago)

I heard it the entirety at my step-cousin's house when I was younger. Funnily enough, I thought that line in "Glycerine" was "could love you, boy, you got a beautiful taste" and if it were really the case (and if I were a bit loonier) I'd almost consider the song classic just for that, even if I loathed it more than any other Bush single.

Ian Riese-Moraine: exposing ambitious careerists as charlatans since 1986. (East, Tuesday, 14 June 2005 13:44 (twenty years ago)

Is Rossdale still with Gwen Stefani?

Jarlr'mai (jarlrmai), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 14:38 (twenty years ago)

"swallowed" is a totally great song. i recently went through and reviewed the entire bush discography, and found that i still liked "swallowed" and "machinehead" quite a bit.

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 15:58 (twenty years ago)

four months pass...
I definitely owned this at one point but remember almost nothing about it. My friend Andrew gave it to me because he decided it sucked, and we made fun of "Mouth" a lot. For years though "Cold Contagious" was a guilty pleasure, even after I sold the thing in my first great used CD sell-off (the batch yielded me, IIRC, New Adventures in Hi-Fi and Apollo 18, or possibly Cosmic Thing). I just downloaded "Greedy Fly," and I am shocked to discover that I both don't remember and do remember almost everything about it. It does rock pretty hard, awful lyrics or no.

Dud, though. Distorted, exhausting, filler-stuffed dud.

Doctor Casino, Thursday, 20 October 2005 05:12 (twenty years ago)

"No, they were nobodies in the UK, best known for being that british band who were inexplicably popular in America. "

Swallowed was Top 10, nothing else they did was anywhere near that. Think they got more stick than they deserved for their image, sound. Aren't they and Def Leppard the biggest English bands in America in terms of record sales?

Sixteen Stone has 5 or 6 good songs, better than a lot of other radio friendly rock/grunge songs.

Razorblade Suitcase got a pretty funny 0 rating and review in NME/MM but again, its not that bad. Less good songs but the bad songs aren't as bad as in 16 Stone.

The Science Of Things is ... well, the same again. ish. Of the four I know of, its my preferred album. There's some really good songs on this, and its not just grunge by numbers. I may listen to it again to see if that still holds.

And there's a drab 4th album. In a word, "beh".

And now, Gavin has his new band Institute. Who sound just like Bush.

FWIW, Gavin Rossdale plays Stan Mortenson (!) in a film coming out soon.

re (rde), Thursday, 20 October 2005 07:48 (twenty years ago)

seven years pass...

A reconsideration.

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 19 March 2013 18:18 (thirteen years ago)

"swallowed" is a surprisingly fun song to karaoke

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, 19 March 2013 18:22 (thirteen years ago)

maybe not "surprisingly" since it's natural fun to dig into rossdale's incoherent yet serious rock pose, similar effect with "lakini's juice"

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, 19 March 2013 18:23 (thirteen years ago)

not kidding, i'm unsurprised by slint, pj harvey and jesus lizard influence.

billstevejim, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 01:33 (thirteen years ago)

three years pass...

i really love this record tbh

the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience (BradNelson), Thursday, 16 February 2017 15:27 (nine years ago)

You freak

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 16 February 2017 15:29 (nine years ago)

it's part of my youth = i have a soft spot for it too. just don't read the lyric sheet. why did they include a lyric sheet?

Lennon, Elvis, Hendrix etc (dog latin), Thursday, 16 February 2017 15:30 (nine years ago)

OIC they've been mentioned several times upthread

Lennon, Elvis, Hendrix etc (dog latin), Thursday, 16 February 2017 15:31 (nine years ago)

My favourite album when I was 11. Even now I can't bring myself to renege on it—the nostalgia is overwhelming. I don't know if I could bear to hear it again, but I suspect 'Bonedriven' and 'Greedy Fly' would be tolerable, though just barely. Perhaps a few other tracks as well.

pomenitul, Thursday, 16 February 2017 16:12 (nine years ago)

didn't have to check to see who revived it

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 16 February 2017 16:31 (nine years ago)

lol

the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience (BradNelson), Thursday, 16 February 2017 16:50 (nine years ago)

this album doesn't have a hook as massive as "comedown" or "glycerine" but is definitely way more even than sixteen stone and is a way richer listening experience in terms of sustained mood. it's way too long though and yes the lyrics are horrible, though i prefer word salad gavin to current intelligible mor sad gavin (i listened to the new single today. hoo boy)

the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience (BradNelson), Thursday, 16 February 2017 16:52 (nine years ago)

sixteen stone is such a weird cynical record, all of the songs feel like exercises in either xeroxing an existing popular rock style or figuring out how basic songwriting even works

the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience (BradNelson), Thursday, 16 February 2017 16:57 (nine years ago)

Ha, I was thinking of posting that new single in Rolling Worst Music.

jmm, Thursday, 16 February 2017 17:08 (nine years ago)

sixteen stone is such a weird cynical record, all of the songs feel like exercises in either xeroxing an existing popular rock style or figuring out how basic songwriting even works

This is true but it also did have an excellent understanding of what made those styles click and resonate, and you could argue it did a fantastic job distilling all those sounds to their essence. This was one of my fav records for a time when I was super young, and I think I connected with it more than the albums it was ripping off because it was so blunt. Like now the gibberish lyrics of "Everything Zen" seem like a parody of early 90s grunge, but it couldn't have felt more spot on to 11-year old me.

Also they may have been ripping off everything, but they did it affectionately, which wasn't always the case with some of the later 90s alt-rock albums. I really don't think it was all that cynical; that was just the shit the guy was into at the time

Evan R, Thursday, 16 February 2017 17:18 (nine years ago)

just don't read the lyric sheet. why did they include a lyric sheet?

― Lennon, Elvis, Hendrix etc (dog latin), Thursday, February 16, 2017 9:30 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I never liked Bush, but this basically applies to 90% of '90s 'alternative' music. Almost everything that I like from that era would've been improved immeasurably if it were wordless.

Likely? No. Possible? Absolutely. Iffy? Can't say. Doubtful? Maybe. (Old Lunch), Thursday, 16 February 2017 17:30 (nine years ago)

TBF, it mostly sounded wordless anyway.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 16 February 2017 17:33 (nine years ago)

That is indeed fair.

Likely? No. Possible? Absolutely. Iffy? Can't say. Doubtful? Maybe. (Old Lunch), Thursday, 16 February 2017 17:42 (nine years ago)

Awful band, awful album. Even at the time I thought they were a bit of a joke. I was always surprised about their Stateside popularity, but then later I realised that it was only because the Americans were looking for the next Nirvana and getting desperate.

Working night & day, I tried to stay awake... (Turrican), Thursday, 16 February 2017 19:10 (nine years ago)

this album doesn't have a hook as massive as "comedown" or "glycerine" but is definitely way more even than sixteen stone and is a way richer listening experience in terms of sustained mood. it's way too long though and yes the lyrics are horrible, though i prefer word salad gavin to current intelligible mor sad gavin (i listened to the new single today. hoo boy)

― the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience (BradNelson),

but "Swallowed" is their best hook!

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 16 February 2017 19:17 (nine years ago)

i agree, i'm mostly talking about the rest of the album

the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience (BradNelson), Thursday, 16 February 2017 20:10 (nine years ago)

like they feel more like a real band than a pastiche of other contemporary bands on razorblade suitcase EXCEPT on "swallowed" which is a great fake pixies song

the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience (BradNelson), Thursday, 16 February 2017 20:14 (nine years ago)

of course then they had the cliché industrial/electronic record and then the back-to-basics rock record so they were ultimately more of a kind of barely-sketched blueprint for a rock band than an actual rock band

the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience (BradNelson), Thursday, 16 February 2017 20:22 (nine years ago)

Man they would have made a great fake rock band for a movie. That I would buy.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 16 February 2017 20:43 (nine years ago)

I mean this right here might as well be from the Chris Gaines CD booklet:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/3c/81/71/3c817187f05bef4189a518d70bf14781.jpg

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 16 February 2017 20:44 (nine years ago)

^ Aww, look at that poor, tortured soul.

Working night & day, I tried to stay awake... (Turrican), Thursday, 16 February 2017 20:48 (nine years ago)

six years pass...

MAKE
UP YOUR MIND

a very very unfair (Neanderthal), Saturday, 2 December 2023 18:09 (two years ago)


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