― That One Guy (That One Guy), Sunday, 12 June 2005 01:54 (twenty years ago)
― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Sunday, 12 June 2005 01:58 (twenty years ago)
― That One Guy (That One Guy), Sunday, 12 June 2005 02:04 (twenty years ago)
― minolta (minolta), Sunday, 12 June 2005 03:42 (twenty years ago)
― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Sunday, 12 June 2005 03:45 (twenty years ago)
― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Sunday, 12 June 2005 03:46 (twenty years ago)
That might either Blow or Suck.
No, but seriously. That might not be bad.
― Michael Costello (MichaelCostello1), Sunday, 12 June 2005 04:48 (twenty years ago)
― tonyD (noiseyrock), Sunday, 12 June 2005 05:23 (twenty years ago)
― latebloomer: Pain Don't Hurt (latebloomer), Sunday, 12 June 2005 05:25 (twenty years ago)
― Andrzej B. (Andrzej B.), Sunday, 12 June 2005 10:40 (twenty years ago)
― That One Guy (That One Guy), Sunday, 12 June 2005 15:07 (twenty years ago)
"Mouth" is one of the worst songs I've ever heard - especially that remix version from I Know What You Did Last Summer or whatever boring-mid-90s-teen-horror movie it was from.
― billstevejim (billstevejim), Sunday, 12 June 2005 15:18 (twenty years ago)
― That One Guy (That One Guy), Sunday, 12 June 2005 15:19 (twenty years ago)
― La Monte (La Monte), Sunday, 12 June 2005 15:36 (twenty years ago)
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 12 June 2005 16:45 (twenty years ago)
Speaking of Canadianizing the band, I think that one thing that would have improved Bush immensely would have been replacing Gavin Rossdale with Gavin, that nerdy kid played by Bruce McCulloch in Kids in the Hall.
― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Sunday, 12 June 2005 16:48 (twenty years ago)
― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Sunday, 12 June 2005 16:48 (twenty years ago)
-- Sean Carruthers (oneiro...), June 12th, 2005.
OTFM!
― latebloomer: Pain Don't Hurt (latebloomer), Sunday, 12 June 2005 17:07 (twenty years ago)
― That One Guy (That One Guy), Sunday, 12 June 2005 17:17 (twenty years ago)
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 13 June 2005 08:47 (twenty years ago)
Ha! pwned!!!
― Taste the Blood of Scrovula (noodle vague), Monday, 13 June 2005 08:49 (twenty years ago)
― zeus, Monday, 13 June 2005 10:26 (twenty years ago)
― Dixon marche on, Monday, 13 June 2005 10:45 (twenty years ago)
― strng hlkngtn, Monday, 13 June 2005 10:48 (twenty years ago)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v93/shatterglas_bleed20/gavin_rossdale_02.jpg
― DMO, Monday, 13 June 2005 10:51 (twenty years ago)
― geyser muffler and a quarter (Dave225), Monday, 13 June 2005 11:22 (twenty years ago)
― Ian Riese-Moraine: exposing ambitious careerists as charlatans since 1986. (East, Monday, 13 June 2005 11:33 (twenty years ago)
― Deluxe (Damian), Monday, 13 June 2005 11:43 (twenty years ago)
― DMO, Monday, 13 June 2005 11:47 (twenty years ago)
They defined the archetypical English sound (that Bush sound nothing like)
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 13 June 2005 12:54 (twenty years ago)
― gspm (gspm), Monday, 13 June 2005 13:05 (twenty years ago)
I'm sure few people would agree, but "Greedy Fly" by itself I would throw into "classic." I'll accept "Swallowed," although it is a dud. They're both middle ground, just barely passing over the line of C/D.
― billstevejim (billstevejim), Monday, 13 June 2005 19:25 (twenty years ago)
OTM!
"Glycerine"
Must be your skin that I'm sinkin inMust be for real cause now I can feeland I didn't mindit's not my kindnot my time to wonder whyeverything's gone whiteand everything's greynow your here now you awayI don't want thisremember thatI'll never forget where your atdon't let the days go byglycerine
I'm never aloneI'm alone all the timeare you at oneor do you liewe live in a wheelwhere everyone stealsbut when we rise it's like strawberry fields
If I treated you badyou bruise my facecouldn't love you moreyou got a beautiful tastedon't let the days go bycould have been easier on youI coudn't change though I wanted tocould have been easier by threeour old friend fear and you and meglycerine (repeat)don't let the days go byglycerine
I needed you morewhen we wanted us lessI could not kiss just regressit might just beclear simple and plainthat's just finethat's just one of my namesdon't let the days go bycould've been easier on youglycerine
"Machine Head"
breathe in breathe outbreathe in breathe outbreathe in
tied to a wheel fingers got to feel(...???...)i spin on a whim i slide to the righti felt you like electric lightfor our lovefor our fearfor our rise against the years and years and years
got a machinehead better than the restgreen to red machineheadgot a machinehead better than the restgreen to redand i walk from my machinei walk from my machine
deaf dumb and thirtystarting to deserve thisleaning on my conscience wallblood is like wineunconscious all the timeif i had it all againi'd change it all
breathe in breathe outbreathe in breathe outbreathe inbreathe inbreathe in
got a machinehead better than the restgreen to red machineheadgot a machinehead better than the restgreen to redbetter than the restbetter than the restmachinehead
and i walk from my machinei walk from my machine
"Everything Zen"
There must be something we can eatMaybe find another loverShould I fly to Los AngelesFind my asshole brotherMickey Mouse has grown up a cowDave's on sale againWe kissy kiss in the rear viewWe're so boredYou're to blame
Try to see it once my wayEverything zenEverything zenI don't think so
Raindogs howl for the centuryA million dollars a stakeAs you search for your demi-godAnd you fake with a saintThere's no sex in your violenceThere's no sex in your violence
I don't believe that Elvis is deadI don't believe that Elvis is deadI don't believe that Elvis is, Elvis is
There's no sex in your violence
― latebloomer: Pain Don't Hurt (latebloomer), Monday, 13 June 2005 21:02 (twenty years ago)
-- Geir Hongro (geirhon...), June 13th, 2005. (later)
That wasn't the Beatles, that was Peter Sellers' cover of "A Hard Day's Night"
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 13 June 2005 21:11 (twenty years ago)
― billstevejim (billstevejim), Monday, 13 June 2005 21:19 (twenty years ago)
― AdrianB (AdrianB), Monday, 13 June 2005 21:38 (twenty years ago)
Ach. I had no choice, my then g/f was a HUGE Bush fan (stop giggling at the back there). I even got dragged along to see them a couple of times (they were quite tolerable live, actually).
As for Razorblade Suitcase, Cold Contagious, A Tendency To Start Fires and Bonedriven were pretty good. At least half of it is dreadful filler though. Everyone OTM on the appalling lyrics, btw.
I may be the only non-Bush-fan alive that thought their best was The Science Of Things, though. Perhaps it's just me.
― Si.C@rter (SiC@rter), Monday, 13 June 2005 21:50 (twenty years ago)
A "friend" of mine in college, a friend whom I wrongly thought possessed pretty good taste in music, gave me 'Sixteen Stone' for my 18th birthday.Thankfully our friendship was such that I opened it and said 'Why the hell did you buy me this? They suck!" and he was all "Oh but I heard good reviews, and 'Glycerine' is a really cool song...' - PFFFFFHHHTTTTTT! ...I still don't fucking know what Glycerine is about, and I still hate Bush. Curse them and their suitcases.
― VegemiteGrrl (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 02:50 (twenty years ago)
― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 02:56 (twenty years ago)
Anyway, I always thought of Bush as some bizarro-world, 90210 version of Nirvana, as if a grunge band had been auditioned boy-band style. Some of the singles hold up (I always dug "Comedown"), and Gavin has this interesting exhaling-through-the-nose-overtone thing happening in his vocals, but I don't think these guys are due for Hipster Reappraisal (tm) just yet. (And I can't help but think that they helped to usher in Three Doors Down and all those other awful "yarl" bands....)
― Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 02:59 (twenty years ago)
"Don't make your babe say 'bye'... LISTERINE!"
― Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 03:02 (twenty years ago)
― billstevejim (billstevejim), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 03:12 (twenty years ago)
― dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 10:24 (twenty years ago)
― Ian Riese-Moraine: exposing ambitious careerists as charlatans since 1986. (East, Tuesday, 14 June 2005 13:44 (twenty years ago)
― Jarlr'mai (jarlrmai), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 14:38 (twenty years ago)
― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 15:58 (twenty years ago)
Dud, though. Distorted, exhausting, filler-stuffed dud.
― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 20 October 2005 05:12 (twenty years ago)
Swallowed was Top 10, nothing else they did was anywhere near that. Think they got more stick than they deserved for their image, sound. Aren't they and Def Leppard the biggest English bands in America in terms of record sales?
Sixteen Stone has 5 or 6 good songs, better than a lot of other radio friendly rock/grunge songs.
Razorblade Suitcase got a pretty funny 0 rating and review in NME/MM but again, its not that bad. Less good songs but the bad songs aren't as bad as in 16 Stone.
The Science Of Things is ... well, the same again. ish. Of the four I know of, its my preferred album. There's some really good songs on this, and its not just grunge by numbers. I may listen to it again to see if that still holds.
And there's a drab 4th album. In a word, "beh".
And now, Gavin has his new band Institute. Who sound just like Bush.
FWIW, Gavin Rossdale plays Stan Mortenson (!) in a film coming out soon.
― re (rde), Thursday, 20 October 2005 07:48 (twenty years ago)
A reconsideration.
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 19 March 2013 18:18 (thirteen years ago)
"swallowed" is a surprisingly fun song to karaoke
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, 19 March 2013 18:22 (thirteen years ago)
maybe not "surprisingly" since it's natural fun to dig into rossdale's incoherent yet serious rock pose, similar effect with "lakini's juice"
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, 19 March 2013 18:23 (thirteen years ago)
not kidding, i'm unsurprised by slint, pj harvey and jesus lizard influence.
― billstevejim, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 01:33 (thirteen years ago)
i really love this record tbh
― the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience (BradNelson), Thursday, 16 February 2017 15:27 (nine years ago)
You freak
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 16 February 2017 15:29 (nine years ago)
it's part of my youth = i have a soft spot for it too. just don't read the lyric sheet. why did they include a lyric sheet?
― Lennon, Elvis, Hendrix etc (dog latin), Thursday, 16 February 2017 15:30 (nine years ago)
OIC they've been mentioned several times upthread
― Lennon, Elvis, Hendrix etc (dog latin), Thursday, 16 February 2017 15:31 (nine years ago)
My favourite album when I was 11. Even now I can't bring myself to renege on it—the nostalgia is overwhelming. I don't know if I could bear to hear it again, but I suspect 'Bonedriven' and 'Greedy Fly' would be tolerable, though just barely. Perhaps a few other tracks as well.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 16 February 2017 16:12 (nine years ago)
didn't have to check to see who revived it
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 16 February 2017 16:31 (nine years ago)
lol
― the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience (BradNelson), Thursday, 16 February 2017 16:50 (nine years ago)
this album doesn't have a hook as massive as "comedown" or "glycerine" but is definitely way more even than sixteen stone and is a way richer listening experience in terms of sustained mood. it's way too long though and yes the lyrics are horrible, though i prefer word salad gavin to current intelligible mor sad gavin (i listened to the new single today. hoo boy)
― the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience (BradNelson), Thursday, 16 February 2017 16:52 (nine years ago)
sixteen stone is such a weird cynical record, all of the songs feel like exercises in either xeroxing an existing popular rock style or figuring out how basic songwriting even works
― the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience (BradNelson), Thursday, 16 February 2017 16:57 (nine years ago)
Ha, I was thinking of posting that new single in Rolling Worst Music.
― jmm, Thursday, 16 February 2017 17:08 (nine years ago)
This is true but it also did have an excellent understanding of what made those styles click and resonate, and you could argue it did a fantastic job distilling all those sounds to their essence. This was one of my fav records for a time when I was super young, and I think I connected with it more than the albums it was ripping off because it was so blunt. Like now the gibberish lyrics of "Everything Zen" seem like a parody of early 90s grunge, but it couldn't have felt more spot on to 11-year old me.
Also they may have been ripping off everything, but they did it affectionately, which wasn't always the case with some of the later 90s alt-rock albums. I really don't think it was all that cynical; that was just the shit the guy was into at the time
― Evan R, Thursday, 16 February 2017 17:18 (nine years ago)
just don't read the lyric sheet. why did they include a lyric sheet?
― Lennon, Elvis, Hendrix etc (dog latin), Thursday, February 16, 2017 9:30 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I never liked Bush, but this basically applies to 90% of '90s 'alternative' music. Almost everything that I like from that era would've been improved immeasurably if it were wordless.
― Likely? No. Possible? Absolutely. Iffy? Can't say. Doubtful? Maybe. (Old Lunch), Thursday, 16 February 2017 17:30 (nine years ago)
TBF, it mostly sounded wordless anyway.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 16 February 2017 17:33 (nine years ago)
That is indeed fair.
― Likely? No. Possible? Absolutely. Iffy? Can't say. Doubtful? Maybe. (Old Lunch), Thursday, 16 February 2017 17:42 (nine years ago)
Awful band, awful album. Even at the time I thought they were a bit of a joke. I was always surprised about their Stateside popularity, but then later I realised that it was only because the Americans were looking for the next Nirvana and getting desperate.
― Working night & day, I tried to stay awake... (Turrican), Thursday, 16 February 2017 19:10 (nine years ago)
― the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience (BradNelson),
but "Swallowed" is their best hook!
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 16 February 2017 19:17 (nine years ago)
i agree, i'm mostly talking about the rest of the album
― the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience (BradNelson), Thursday, 16 February 2017 20:10 (nine years ago)
like they feel more like a real band than a pastiche of other contemporary bands on razorblade suitcase EXCEPT on "swallowed" which is a great fake pixies song
― the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience (BradNelson), Thursday, 16 February 2017 20:14 (nine years ago)
of course then they had the cliché industrial/electronic record and then the back-to-basics rock record so they were ultimately more of a kind of barely-sketched blueprint for a rock band than an actual rock band
― the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience (BradNelson), Thursday, 16 February 2017 20:22 (nine years ago)
Man they would have made a great fake rock band for a movie. That I would buy.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 16 February 2017 20:43 (nine years ago)
I mean this right here might as well be from the Chris Gaines CD booklet:
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/3c/81/71/3c817187f05bef4189a518d70bf14781.jpg
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 16 February 2017 20:44 (nine years ago)
^ Aww, look at that poor, tortured soul.
― Working night & day, I tried to stay awake... (Turrican), Thursday, 16 February 2017 20:48 (nine years ago)
MAKEUP YOUR MIND
― a very very unfair (Neanderthal), Saturday, 2 December 2023 18:09 (two years ago)