What If.....the Knack's debut Had Never Existed.

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After reading this quote....

I wish I could go back in time and prevent this album being made. Hopefully it would involve shooting the band members.

....on this thread (C/D: The Knack: "Get The Knack"), I got to thinking. What if there hadn't been that first Knack album. What if "My Sharona" hadn't become a hit.

Similar to Ray Bradbury's chilling sci-fi short story, "A Sound of Thunder" (you can read it here: http://www.sba.muohio.edu/snavely/415/thunder.htm ), if someone went back in time and murdered the four members of the Knack, I'd suggest that today the world would be an entirely different place musically. Had the Knack not became what they were -- skinny ties and all -- back in 1979, there would not have been a hair metal scene (Nikki Sixx and Mick Mars are fond of pointing their fingers directly at the Knack for inspiring them to take their music and aesthetic in a relatively polar direction). And had there been no Crue -- or at least not a Crue inspired out of hate for the Knack -- there probably wouldn't have been all those bands inspired by the Crue (Ratt, Poison, W.A.S.P., etc.) Basically, the whole L.A. hair metal scene (and I'd include G'n'R in there) would probably not have existed.

And if the whole L.A. Hair metal scene hadn't existed, there very well might not have been a whole Grunge boom led by kids fuckin' tired of shitty bands like Warrant, Firehouse and Trixster.

No Knack ----> No Crue -----> No Nirvana.

And had there been no Nirvana,,.....

Well, you get the picture.

Agree? Disagree? Other possibilities?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 12 June 2005 17:04 (twenty years ago)

There would've been no "Duh DANANANA DA -- Mick Vukota!" after the New York Islanders player went into the penalty box.

Ian Riese-Moraine: exposing ambitious careerists as charlatans since 1986. (East, Sunday, 12 June 2005 17:10 (twenty years ago)

Killing Joke wouldn't have been able to rip them off with "Tension".

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 12 June 2005 17:11 (twenty years ago)

Don't really buy the grunge as reaction against '80s metal trope so much. Seemed to me to be more about "Yay, Stooges are cool" and stuff.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 12 June 2005 17:25 (twenty years ago)

Shoes would never have gotten a major label contract.

mike a, Sunday, 12 June 2005 17:48 (twenty years ago)

Wasn't their first album on Elektra the same year?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 12 June 2005 17:50 (twenty years ago)

oops.

mike a, Sunday, 12 June 2005 17:50 (twenty years ago)

Weird Al wouldn't have had his breakthrough hit: "My Bologna."

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 12 June 2005 17:54 (twenty years ago)

no one would have danced
at Ackerman Junior High
dances, like, ever

Haikunym (Haikunym), Sunday, 12 June 2005 18:02 (twenty years ago)

No difference whatsoever.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Sunday, 12 June 2005 18:57 (twenty years ago)

And had there been no Crue -- or at least not a Crue inspired out of hate for the Knack -- there probably wouldn't have been all those bands inspired by the Crue (Ratt, Poison, W.A.S.P., etc.) Basically, the whole L.A. hair metal scene (and I'd include G'n'R in there) would probably not have existed."

Dude, it's not like by beheading the Crue would have killed every other hair band. Those bands were all playing and recording at the same time.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 12 June 2005 19:00 (twenty years ago)

Besides, "Get The Knack" is the new wave "Middle of Nowhere"

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 12 June 2005 19:01 (twenty years ago)

Everlast would never have recorded "Got the Knack," thereby not getting signed, and thereby never forming House of Pain, and then never breaking up House of Pain and writing lame blues songs about his heart attack.

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Sunday, 12 June 2005 19:17 (twenty years ago)

Perhaps this has already been covered before but there is a riff on the first Tubeway Army album that is eerily similar to My Sharona.

The Silent Disco of Glastonbury (Bimble...), Sunday, 12 June 2005 19:18 (twenty years ago)

The Romantics would have been that much bigger and the singles from their second album would still be in heavy rotation on classic rock radio.

IOW the world would be a perfect place and sheep and lions would lay together in pastures and meadows without blemish. Most people blame the fall of man on Original Sin, I blame it on the Knack.

Disco Nihilist (mjt), Sunday, 12 June 2005 19:29 (twenty years ago)

Devo would never have written "Girl U Want," the second-biggest hit off their breakthrough Freedom of Choice LP.

mike a, Sunday, 12 June 2005 19:36 (twenty years ago)

These "My Sharona"-borrowing songs would never have existed: Tony Basil's "Mickey," Local H's "'Cha' Said The Kitty," Cobra Verde's "Crashing In A Plane," and Garbage's "Cherry Lips (Go Baby Go!)." Run D.M.C. would have found something else to sample for "It's Tricky," but they never would have rapped "got the knack/to attract/my love's an aphrodisiac" on "King Of Rock."

John Fredland (jfredland), Sunday, 12 June 2005 19:58 (twenty years ago)

Devo would never have written "Girl U Want," the second-biggest hit off their breakthrough Freedom of Choice LP.

Don't agree with this one at all.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 12 June 2005 19:58 (twenty years ago)

http://www.academical.freeserve.co.uk/GemmaEyes/Graphics/Sleeves/tubeway.jpg

The first Tubeway Army album (yes that's right, I'm talking about Gary Numan) was released in November 1978. It contained a song called "My Shadow In Vain". Raw punk rock, that record.

Meanwhile "Get The Knack" was released in April 1979, reportedly recorded "circa 1978"...hmm...My Sharona a coincidence?


The Silent Disco of Glastonbury (Bimble...), Sunday, 12 June 2005 20:16 (twenty years ago)

Don't agree with this one at all.

It's been mentioned in more than one interview.

mike a, Sunday, 12 June 2005 20:50 (twenty years ago)

we would have been even more wowed by franz ferdinand

strng hlkngtn, Sunday, 12 June 2005 20:53 (twenty years ago)

I just got Tubeway Army's "The Plan" on CD! I suddenly realized I never re-bought that one on CD, though I do remember quite liking the vinyl...I think I salivated over the CD in the shop one day and decided I didn't need it. Can't say I feel that way now!

The Silent Disco of Glastonbury (Bimble...), Sunday, 12 June 2005 21:19 (twenty years ago)

It's been mentioned in more than one interview.

Well, I don't hear it. Can you cite an interview? I'd be curious to read it.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 12 June 2005 21:19 (twenty years ago)

With "No Good Advice" no longer existing, Girls Aloud's second single is instead "Life Got Cold", a song totally unsuitable as a summer jam, and stalls at #16. Louis Walsh hits panic stations, and instead of unwisely getting Westlife to do Britpop covers, orders GA's third release to be a cover of "Nice Guy Eddie" by Sleeper.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 12 June 2005 21:25 (twenty years ago)

Good Girls Still Wouldn't.

The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Sunday, 12 June 2005 22:40 (twenty years ago)

Without the Knack, Motley Crue doesn't become famous and Tommy Lee wouldn't have made a sex video with Pamela Anderson; and Brett Michaels of Poison might not have become famous enough to become famous either. With neither of them making a porn video with Pam Anderson the homemade sex video is still incredibly taboo and Rick Solomon never makes a sex video with Paris Hilton because of this. Paris Hilton never becomes famous from that video and is little more than a party-girl footnote from 2003. Looking at these facts I must conclude that the Knack are the most important band in the history of rock and roll.

Cunga (Cunga), Monday, 13 June 2005 02:10 (twenty years ago)

*famous enough to make a video either*

Cunga (Cunga), Monday, 13 June 2005 02:10 (twenty years ago)

Shoes would never have gotten a major label contract.
-- mike a (mik...), June 12th, 2005.


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Wasn't their first album on Elektra the same year?
-- Tim Ellison (timelliso...), June 12th, 2005.


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oops.
-- mike a (mik...), June 12th, 2005.

Yeah, but they could've been signed in the major-label power-pop feeding frenzy that accompanied/came after the Knack signing. Of course, their indie album the year before might've had something to do with it, too.

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Monday, 13 June 2005 03:51 (twenty years ago)

Couldn't have been "My Sherona Formed a Band"!

hot doorknobs (hot doorknobs), Monday, 13 June 2005 06:42 (twenty years ago)

Very true.

Ian Riese-Moraine: exposing ambitious careerists as charlatans since 1986. (East, Monday, 13 June 2005 10:34 (twenty years ago)

re "Girl U Want:" I know that Bob Lewis (who was in the band early on) has remarked on the similarity. There used to be a great interview with him on the web, but I'm not finding it now. I think it was in the recent bio as well; don't know if Jerry or Mark have spoken on it. Perhaps it's a theory more than anything else, but it seems plausible...

mike a, Monday, 13 June 2005 13:03 (twenty years ago)

doesn't girl u want and the entirety of motley crue strike anyone else
as petty artifacts compared to the alternate universe career
of weird al yankovic?

rickgordon, Monday, 13 June 2005 22:08 (twenty years ago)

doesn't girl u want and the entirety of motley crue strike anyone else
as petty artefacts compared to the alternate universe career
of weird al yankovic?

rickgordon, Monday, 13 June 2005 22:09 (twenty years ago)

As for the grunge as reaction against hair metal, in Nirvana's Live Tonight Sold OUt video (DVD release please, with extras!) Dave Grohl says My Sharona changed his life and does an amusing impression of the riff. There's a moral in there somewhere...

Stew (stew s), Monday, 13 June 2005 23:04 (twenty years ago)

If there was no Knack, there'd also be no Chiclids, Scott Wilk & the Walls, Orchids, Brains, Bugs Tomorrow, Suzanne Fellini, Sue Saad & the Next, Alda Reserve, Tommy Tutone, Sinceros, Hitmen, Roulettes, Sneakers, Jags, Bottles...all of whom are famous, influential, and continue to sell records even today.

Rev. Hoodoo (Rev. Hoodoo), Monday, 13 June 2005 23:48 (twenty years ago)

After all this evidence, I stand by my original sentiment (that quote is mine). I can't stay in a room for the duration of the 'My Sharona' if it starts playing. It may be the bane of my existance.

Sasha (sgh), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 01:40 (twenty years ago)

no "No Good Advice"? waaaah... unsmiley

Paul (scifisoul), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 01:43 (twenty years ago)

...or, "No Good Advice" becomes ALL "Gimme Danger"! ROWW

Paul (scifisoul), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 01:45 (twenty years ago)

Without the Knack no one would have cared about the Plimsouls.

Orbit (Orbit), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 01:45 (twenty years ago)

no hair metal? no nirvana? yay. the world becomes a better place.
hopefully no knack would have caused the silicon teens to record a second album of glam rock hits to be followed by a third of punk.

frenchbloke (frenchbloke), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 08:45 (twenty years ago)

Without the Knack no one would have cared about the Plimsouls.

But I always thought The Plimsouls were a million miles away from The Knack!

Ian Riese-Moraine: exposing ambitious careerists as charlatans since 1986. (East, Tuesday, 14 June 2005 13:52 (twenty years ago)

i have never heard the knack

charltonlido (gareth), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 13:54 (twenty years ago)

ten months pass...
Without the Knack no one would have cared about the Plimsouls.

Hardly anyone cared about The Plimsouls at the time when The Plimsouls did actually exist.

Which was partly The Knack's fault.


Ian OTM. The Knack were OK, but there were dozens of other bands in the same genre that were a lot better and would have deserved a lot more success than The Knack achieved.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 22:01 (nineteen years ago)

I'll bite, whom?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 22:06 (nineteen years ago)

20/20
Phil Seymour
The Romantics
The Rubinoos
The Records
Shoes
Fotomaker
Pezband

To name but a few.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 22:10 (nineteen years ago)

20/20's "Yellow Pills" is of course the one song that would have deserved the success of "My Sharona" most.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 22:12 (nineteen years ago)

Rubinoos were good, but never did anything as rocking as "My Sharona" or "Good Girls Don't." "Starry Eyes" is maybe better than any Knack Track, but that s/t LP is pretty average otherwise. I only have Shoes' Present Tense album, which has like three good songs. I'd rate all these bands about the same as the Knack, personally.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 22:20 (nineteen years ago)

(Rubinoos, Shoes, and Records, anyway.)

I did a track by track thing on the first Rhino Poptopia comp a while back:

1. The Raspberries, "Go All the Way" - I don't need to review this. This is some of the best music ever.
2. Todd Rundgren, "Couldn't I Just Tell You" - Heard this one twice just playing it in the Chamber while not paying strict attention, then had to sit down and play it twice. Now, I can hear that it's great. The chord change at the beginning of the verse is so unusual that it sounds like a bridge. Only got up to # 93 in the charts (this when Todd was having hits like "I Saw the Light"), so I guess everyone else was confused by it, too.
3. Blue Ash, "Abracadabra (Have You Seen Her?)" - What the hell?!? Sounds like a great post-Roy Loney Flaming Groovies song, but played on an early '70s English heavy rock band's equipment! Three guitars, including a searing lead, double bass drum...And this was some band from Youngstown, Ohio? And no one ever hardly mentions these guys? (Have to look up Stigliano's old piece on them.) Well, how good is the whole album?
4. Big Star, "September Gurls" - I don't need to review this. This is some of the best music ever.
5. Badfinger, "Just a Chance" - From one of their later Warner Brothers albums circa 1974. Didn't know their later music was more pounding like this with some guitar roar. Song is OK -- this is a decent single.
6. Dwight Twilley Band, "I'm on Fire" - Boring rootsy...uh..."choogle?" The Beatle-esque bridge with the harmony vocal is a brief bit of niceness.
7. The Flamin' Groovies, "Shake Some Action" - Amazing that this was recorded in 1976. Could easily be from 1981. Much better than the Plimsouls' "A Million Miles Away," but, unlike that song, you're not going to hear it as an oldie on alterna-rock radio. Why? Because the only songs they play from 1976 are Ramones, Clash, and Sex Pistols. Great verse endings, great chorus.
8. Pezband, "Baby, It's Cold Outside" - Some group from Chicago. A little average, but a decent Raspberries-like sound. I'd buy this 45.
9. Cheap Trick, "Come on, Come on" - From the In Color LP from '77. Took a couple of listens, but good song. Good chorus with nice background vocals. 2:34 -- nice length!
10. Fotomaker, "Where Have You Been All My Life?" - Some later '70s band with Wally Bryson. Song's a little generic, but the ending is quite gorgeous. (That's due to Wally, yo.)
11. The Rubinoos, "I Wanna Be Your Boyfriend" - WTF?!?! This is a different mix! Hmmm...it's not terrible. Way more separation so you can really hear all the clever stuff like the fact that they put on an acoustic guitar and handclaps and a tambourine and an organ at the end. It works OK, though original album mix is tighter! More separation is not always better and this is a textbook case! You could hear all the instruments fine enough in the original (assuming that's what the album version is -- I don't know if this was remixed recently or if it's a different old mix from back in the day). The song itself? A freaking classic, of course!!!
12. The Records, "Starry Eyes" - I don't need to review this. This is some of the best music ever. (Hearing it on CD for the first time, I realized for the first time that this thing goes on for over four minutes!)
13. Bram Tchaikovsky, "Girl of My Dreams" - A classic. Impeccable. (Note the psuedo-"Born to Run" riff at the end of the choruses)
14. Nick Lowe, "Cruel to Be Kind" - Just as impeccable, but with much more involved chord sequences. No fricking mean feat. Backing track is driven all the way through with no electric guitars, only two acoustic guitars played by Dave Edmunds, one in the left channel and one in the right. Anthemic strumming: what a concept!
15. The Knack, "Good Girls Don't" - Forget the prejudices and listen to this now! One of the greatest lead guitar parts ever. Song is totally impeccable, but the bridge is particularly awesome: And it's a TEEN! AGE! sadness every ONE-HAS-GOT-TO-FACE! Kill drumming.
16. The Shoes, "Too Late" - Very great song. Only three chords (well, one more at the end). Song is impeccable, but the big moment is the chorus with its difficult (and gorgeous) vocal harmonies.
17. 20/20, "Yellow Pills" - Pretty decent power pop song with new wave keyboards, but made into something proto-Paisley Underground (record was produced by Earle Mankey) with the drug topic and the nice, harmonically contrasting bridge and instrumental closing.
18. The Beat, "Rock N Roll Girl" - I don't hate this song!

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 22:26 (nineteen years ago)

This lady's bio would be slightly less interesting.

musically (musically), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 23:13 (nineteen years ago)

Rubinoos were good, but never did anything as rocking as "My Sharona" or "Good Girls Don't."

Which is partly why they were better. Good pop music doesn't "rock". good pop music has a nice tune, nice harmonies, and a polished, detailed and sophisticated production.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 02:20 (nineteen years ago)

The Rubinoos were not more polished, more detailed, or more sophisticated than the Knack. Seemingly, you only like them more because they rocked less.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 02:24 (nineteen years ago)

three months pass...
Geoffery Feiger's run for governor not boosted by "He's the brother of the guy who wrote 'My Sharona,'" so he doesn't get to show Engler in the dutchboy outfit. Still loses, but in the primary.

js (honestengine), Saturday, 26 August 2006 12:36 (eighteen years ago)

And man, I cannot understand taking the Romantics over The Knack.

js (honestengine), Saturday, 26 August 2006 12:37 (eighteen years ago)

from wikipedia - "All four original members of the band are Jewish by birth."

A generation of Jewish boys, deprived of such stellar role models, never pick up guitars or buy a drum kit, and go to rabbinical school instead, causing the Great Rabbi Glut of the late 90s.

timmy tannin (pompous), Saturday, 26 August 2006 14:25 (eighteen years ago)

Sales of "Chipmunk Punk" wouldn't have been nearly as high.

dlp9001 (dlp9001), Saturday, 26 August 2006 15:20 (eighteen years ago)

I was in a bookstore once when they were playing the 70's volume of Rhino's POPTOPIA series. As soon as it got to the harmonica riff that opens the Knack's "Good Girls Don't," the cat behind the counter hit the "FF" button and moved on to the next song.

Rev. Hoodoo (Rev. Hoodoo), Sunday, 27 August 2006 00:32 (eighteen years ago)

how could alex not see the resemblence between "Girl U Want" and My Sharona"?

latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 27 August 2006 00:38 (eighteen years ago)

The Romantics would have been that much bigger and the singles from their second album would still be in heavy rotation on classic rock radio.

OTMM

m coleman (lovebug starski), Sunday, 27 August 2006 12:03 (eighteen years ago)

Maybe even the Spongetones would have been bigger. Well, at least if they had tried to sound Beatles-influenced rather than sounding like a Beatles-tribute band.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 28 August 2006 09:07 (eighteen years ago)


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