Arrested Development # 1 in Voice poll: what were voters thinking??

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I remember some people at the time (1992) saying that the album's victory was an anti-gangsta reaction, but that doesn't explain why critics went for THAT record, of all the non-gangsta rap they could have chosen.

Also, will anyone here admit to having voted for it at the time?

Patrick (Patrick), Monday, 13 June 2005 12:49 (twenty years ago)

It was popular and PC, its not that much of a shock.

miccio (miccio), Monday, 13 June 2005 12:53 (twenty years ago)

(enter the usual canon-smashers saying that P&J winners all suck, but even if that were the case, not only does Arrested Development suck WORSE than all of them - with the possible exception of Imperial Bedroom - but no one seems willing to defend it).

Patrick (Patrick), Monday, 13 June 2005 12:54 (twenty years ago)

I'd assume the overwhelming majority of ILXors who have ballots now didn't have them in 1992. And I doubt Kogan'n'Eddy voted for it.

miccio (miccio), Monday, 13 June 2005 12:56 (twenty years ago)

it was a very popular album. hey, wilco won the pazz & jop. people like that sorta stuff. most music writers have pretty tame/trad tastes. the chronic came out in 1992. i guess that shoulda won. i think my fave rap album that year was don't sweat the technique.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 13 June 2005 12:57 (twenty years ago)

Arrested Development beat out Slanted and Enchanted in 1992.

To Bring You My Love was another record that I couldn't understand all the acclaim for. It's a solid record, but I prefer Dry, Rid Of Me and Stories From City

kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Monday, 13 June 2005 13:00 (twenty years ago)

That album, to me, is still one of the better rap albums out there. Of course, I am generally not at all positive towards rap...

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 13 June 2005 13:03 (twenty years ago)

Was not the best rap album of 1992 though. That would be "Hypocricy Is The Greatest Luxury"

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 13 June 2005 13:04 (twenty years ago)

no, i dont believe it was

charltonlido (gareth), Monday, 13 June 2005 13:10 (twenty years ago)

Tepid as Yankee Hotel Foxtrot was, I can see why it would be big on the poll - lots of voters being Wilco to start with, the new vaguely-arty sound, the whole stick-it-to-the-record-company back story. The only thing Arrested Development had going for them was a good hit single.

Patrick (Patrick), Monday, 13 June 2005 13:12 (twenty years ago)

...being Wilco *fans*, that is...

Patrick (Patrick), Monday, 13 June 2005 13:16 (twenty years ago)

Not that they woulda let me vote (maybe the following'll explain why), but I would have voted for it. Here's my hypothetical ballot for the year:
1. Pavement-S&E
2. Ice Cube-The Predator
3. King's X-s/t
4. REM-Automatic etc
5. Arrested Development
6. Sun Ra etc.-Destination Unknown
7. Freedy Johnston-Can You Fly
8. Sonic Youth-Dirty
9. Mariah Carey-MTV Unplugged
10. Jon Secada-s/t

It's fun, funny, smart, has great music, Speech is engaging, three good hit singles, gets a little monotonous toward the end, but "Fishin' for Religion" made great sense to me as a little high school kid.

dr. phil (josh langhoff), Monday, 13 June 2005 13:19 (twenty years ago)

when did 'low-end theory' come out?

here, have a dollar.

N_RQ, Monday, 13 June 2005 13:20 (twenty years ago)

you people are making 1992 seem pretty dull

charltonlido (gareth), Monday, 13 June 2005 13:21 (twenty years ago)

Ha! I was just thinking "What a good year!"
Low End Theory was '91--even better year.

dr. phil (josh langhoff), Monday, 13 June 2005 13:23 (twenty years ago)

I hope Job and Franklin release an album.

Leon C. (Ex Leon), Monday, 13 June 2005 13:24 (twenty years ago)

I meant Gob, of course.

Leon C. (Ex Leon), Monday, 13 June 2005 13:25 (twenty years ago)

House of Pain rightfully topped the Yo! MTV Raps list.

Koens (Koens), Monday, 13 June 2005 13:26 (twenty years ago)

it was unescapable. everyone was okay with it and voted for it. but don't take that to mean it crushed the competition out of sheer force. from christgau's pazz'n'jop roundup:

"Do you ever listen to it?" I'd ask. Somewhat sheepishly, every one allowed as how he or she didn't. And this unenthusiasm is reflected in our results. The support for 3 Years . . . just about duplicated that of our 1989 winner, which was not only a soft-edged rap debut, but a soft-edged rap debut beginning with the numeral 3: De La Soul's 3 Feet High and Rising got 1070 points from 255 voters, 3 Years . . . 1050 from 253. De La Soul, however, attracted only 89 voters, Arrested Development 97, so that Arrested Development averaged only 10.8 points per supporter, the lowest ever for a winner; in recent years Nirvana got 12.8, Neil Young 12.3, De La Soul a flat 12. Clearly, a lot of people voted for this album because they felt they should, not necessarily as a racial or genre token but simply to reward the band for taking on the thankless burden of rap reform.

john'n'chicago, Monday, 13 June 2005 13:26 (twenty years ago)

It was the "Squeezing Out Sparks" of its year.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 13 June 2005 13:46 (twenty years ago)

I still listen to my copy.

Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Monday, 13 June 2005 13:52 (twenty years ago)

I like lots of erm "positive" rap from that period and I think the album sucks. Pete Rock and CL Smooth came out that year too.

deej.., Monday, 13 June 2005 14:06 (twenty years ago)

Squeezing Out Sparks (a not-great record in my opinion) >>>>>>>>>>>> 3 Years, 5 Months & 2 Days (short/fast/lively vs endless well-meaning mush)

Patrick (Patrick), Monday, 13 June 2005 14:14 (twenty years ago)

Where did the Chronic finish?

Mark (MarkR), Monday, 13 June 2005 14:17 (twenty years ago)

The Chronic made #6 in the 1993 poll.

Patrick (Patrick), Monday, 13 June 2005 14:25 (twenty years ago)

Arrested Development was my favorite album of 1992. Of course, I was 13 and only bought like three other albums that year.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 13 June 2005 14:36 (twenty years ago)

My hypothetical '92 ballot would include: Pavement Slanted & Enchanted, Sonic Youth Dirty, The Pharcyde Bizarre Ride II The Pharcyde, TFUL 282 Mother of All Saints, Ween The Pod, Naked City Grand Guignol, Omoide Hatoba Black Hawaii, and Boredoms Soul Discharge. Quite a year, actually.

o. nate (onate), Monday, 13 June 2005 14:53 (twenty years ago)

The Chronic was released mid-December. People often seem to forget that '93 was the year everyone actually listened to it.

billstevejim (billstevejim), Monday, 13 June 2005 14:54 (twenty years ago)

I have a weird feeling that there will be a thread like this about The College Dropout in ten years' time.

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 13 June 2005 14:55 (twenty years ago)

Nah, the Dropout has better jokes.

miccio (miccio), Monday, 13 June 2005 15:00 (twenty years ago)

A GAME OF HORSESHOOOOOOOOOES

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 13 June 2005 15:00 (twenty years ago)

I have a weird feeling that there will be a thread like this about The College Dropout in ten years' time.

nah, the dropout is actually, you know, good.

deej.., Monday, 13 June 2005 15:02 (twenty years ago)

so is "tennessee" and the radio version of "people everyday."

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 13 June 2005 15:09 (twenty years ago)

only recently have i realized that "mr. wendal" sounds exactly like de la's "eye know." but that samples steely dan, so theoretically ilm should love it!

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 13 June 2005 15:11 (twenty years ago)

one time these three white frat dudes did a horrible version of "Tennessee" at a karoake bar, I have no idea if they intentionally were mocking the track or didn't realize they'd be mumbling "climb the trees that my forefathers hung from" but I was drunk and offended enough that I actually grabbed the mic afterwards and said that was disgusting bullshit or something. That may be the last time I've heard the song in like a decade.

miccio (miccio), Monday, 13 June 2005 15:12 (twenty years ago)

Maybe its that cornball sincerity vs. kanye's sense of humor, but i find arrested d. a bit more unbearable.

deej.., Monday, 13 June 2005 15:17 (twenty years ago)

I picked this up a few years ago when I was beginning my hip-hop collection and I was so underwhelmed. This was what people were making a fuss about? The beats are so weak, so cheesy and the PC lyrics are incredibly patronising. "Have a dime on me" etc...
The fact Geir likes it says it all...;)

Stew (stew s), Monday, 13 June 2005 15:19 (twenty years ago)

Anthony Miccio = Black Panther!

Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 13 June 2005 15:21 (twenty years ago)

Avg points/voter for recent P&J winners:

Wilco 11.58
OutKast 11.65
Kanye 11.53

They're extremely close, and well above the anemic 10.8 that AD scored. This supports Xgau's theory that people voted for AD because they felt that they needed to, whereas the votes for Kanye were more of an enthusiastic statement of preference. He'll be remembered more fondly in ten years than AD were.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 13 June 2005 15:38 (twenty years ago)

Seriously, I'm I the only one who still listens to their copy?!

Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Monday, 13 June 2005 15:48 (twenty years ago)

I listen, and it's still good. I remember it being a breath of fresh air at the time in a way that has nothing to do with "P.C."

tremendoid (tremendoid), Monday, 13 June 2005 15:53 (twenty years ago)

Backlashes are stupid. Tennesee is a great song. The album, although embarrasing now, isn't horrid.

PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Monday, 13 June 2005 15:55 (twenty years ago)

I love "Tennessee" and "Africa's Inside Me" and "Fishing for Religion", and several other songs of theirs. And I wasn't even listening to AD back in 1992, I caught on them maybe five years later. Sure, their type of rap is non-revolutionary in almost every sense of the word, but it's fun and has soul. I never got the idea rap needs to be "hard" or "down with it".

Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 13 June 2005 16:03 (twenty years ago)

xp haha pappawheelie but you don't like the geto boys! you so crazy.

deej.., Monday, 13 June 2005 16:03 (twenty years ago)

I don't think antigangsta backlash makes sense as an explanation (though Xgau seemed to think so), since I don't think many people voite for things they don't really like merely because they feel they should. Rather, 3 Years, 5 Months... was the sort of album that a lot of rock-critic types c. 1992 liked the sound of, and admired. And for sure a lot of them did like and admire it, 97 out of 253, which is ridiculously strong, 38.3% (in comparison, Wilco won with only 28.9%, Moby with 27.4%, Kanye 30.9%, Stankonia 37.5%, Love and Theft 37.6%). In Pazz & Jop terms that's big support, hardly explainable by dutifulness or lack of competition or grudging approval. People liked the thing, maybe on average not as much as the Wilco people liked Wilco, but note: There was a much bigger percentage for Arrested Development. AD reached more people.

I've only heard two or three Arrested Development songs in my life ("Revolution" placed in P&J as a single, but I'm damned if I can remember anything about it). "Tennessee" really is quite pretty and odd - the "horseshoe" break - if not exactly arresting, and wasn't much like anything else out there in 1992, hip-hop or otherwise. I remember Chris Norris writing in the Bay Guardian about how he'd just come back to town after a romantic breakup, and he found the words and attitude of "Tennessee" soothing. (I wish I'd saved the piece, since Chris was exact as to which lyrics he drew sustenance from.) This hardly had anything to do with whether or not Arrested Development was good for hip-hop. And none of the voter comments that Xgau printed were "I voted for this because it's better than that gangsta shit" or anything of the sort. Not too many voter ballots were printed; Evelyn McDonnell voted for both "People Everyday" and "How I Could Just Kill a Man."

So, to sum up: Damned if I know.

My number single was Kris Kross's "Jump," my number one album was Midi, Maxi & Efti, my number one video was En Vogue's "My Lovin' (You're Never Gonna Get It)," and my number one EP was Mariah Carey's MTV Unplugged EP, which got into the Top Ten and therefore onto the print list because of my vote! So who says you can't make a difference?

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 13 June 2005 16:03 (twenty years ago)

pappawheelie but you don't like the geto boys!

Yeah, but I had what Geto Boys were copying already.

I didn't have waht AD was copying.

Oh, wait, I did already have Sly & The Family Stone.

xpost...

PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Monday, 13 June 2005 16:31 (twenty years ago)

Anyone see them on Hit Me Baby 1 More Time? Haven't really changed much.

mcd (mcd), Monday, 13 June 2005 16:58 (twenty years ago)

At the time I thought it was the biggest crapload ever. In retrospect it redeems it self with the classic call and response:

Tennessee? Tennessee?

A GAME OF HORSESHOOOOOOOOOES!

It's fun, try it on a friend sometime.

i'm goin huuuuuungraaaay works too

jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Monday, 13 June 2005 21:58 (twenty years ago)

I don't think antigangsta backlash makes sense as an explanation (though Xgau seemed to think so)

I remember loads of people (reviewers and just people I talked to) specifically talking about the album as being refreshing because it wasn't gangsta rap, so I don't agree.

Rather, 3 Years, 5 Months... was the sort of album that a lot of rock-critic types c. 1992 liked the sound of, and admired. And for sure a lot of them did like and admire it, 97 out of 253, which is ridiculously strong, 38.3% (in comparison, Wilco won with only 28.9%, Moby with 27.4%, Kanye 30.9%, Stankonia 37.5%, Love and Theft 37.6%). In Pazz & Jop terms that's big support, hardly explainable by dutifulness or lack of competition or grudging approval. People liked the thing, maybe on average not as much as the Wilco people liked Wilco, but note: There was a much bigger percentage for Arrested Development. AD reached more people.

The voting pool has expanded so much in the past few years that it renders this data irrelevant. The real key is points-per-voter, and AD's are paltry. And the fact that there were no quotes about the album in the comments just proves that no one had anything to say about it, not the sign of a beloved winner.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Monday, 13 June 2005 23:31 (twenty years ago)

It's really not a great album, but "Tennessee" was a great single, and the whole thing was more interesting at the time than it seems now. If anyone had used a harmonica in hip-hop before them, I hadn't heard it, and their whole Southern rural-roots shtick was novel. Just being Southern was novel, really -- Miami aside, there hadn't been much (any?) high-profile Southern hip-hop to that point. And I'm sure they benefited in the voting from being "positive" and "conscious" and all that.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 00:23 (twenty years ago)

p&j needs a bill james.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 00:29 (twenty years ago)

What exactly is so PC about this album?

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 00:30 (twenty years ago)

And the fact that there were no quotes about the album in the comments just proves that no one had anything to say about it, not the sign of a beloved winner.

um, while I have no doubt comments were scarce, what xgau chooses to put in the comments section proves nothing.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 01:40 (twenty years ago)

xgau WENT OFF on it in his essay that year. WENT OFF.

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 03:13 (twenty years ago)

Even though everybody seems to hate it nowadays, I don't find it all that bad. It's certainly no worse than anything Dr. Dre ever did. "Tennessee" and "People Everyday" are great songs!

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 03:39 (twenty years ago)

you have to understand something about xgau. he's completely and utterly insane.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 03:45 (twenty years ago)

No he's dead-on right sometimes, like how he put Erotica, pretty damn high in his ballot - it should have made the top 10 that year!

I don't understand all his recent love for that moldy peaches girl tho

Vichitravirya XI, Tuesday, 14 June 2005 04:12 (twenty years ago)

Even though everybody seems to hate it nowadays, I don't find it all that bad. It's certainly no worse than anything Dr. Dre ever did. "Tennessee" and "People Everyday" are great songs!

I should really learn to ignore Mr. Snrub, but...no.

deej.., Tuesday, 14 June 2005 06:48 (twenty years ago)

What were the Geto Boys copying?

Chris H. (chrisherbert), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 07:04 (twenty years ago)

Herschel Gordon Lewis.

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 07:09 (twenty years ago)

Xgau on the AD follow-up:

Unplugged [Chrysalis, 1993]
Let the record show that they loved the people so much that with all deliberate greed they "rearranged" half of their biggest and only album for quick resale. Let the record show that to stretch the material to full-price length they basted on a fashion sermon and seven as-I-would-say "versions." And let the record show that the people understood their spiritual needs so poorly that the resulting live and MTV-approved product lingered a mere 12 weeks on the charts, never rising above 60. The revolution will be hard, brothers and sisters. C

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 07:09 (twenty years ago)

haha man he did not like them at all. Score one for the big guy.

deej.., Tuesday, 14 June 2005 07:13 (twenty years ago)

It is probable corrects that Arrested Development should win the poll - even though no rap should have been allowed in a music poll - for at least they provided a similar to melody in their music, even if it was the less offensive work of Sly Stoens.

The correct answer for best album of 1992 was Automatic People by REM.

Comstock Carabinieri (nostudium), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 07:14 (twenty years ago)

Hey, deej, is that Pete Rock instrumental record from a couple of years ago good?

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 07:23 (twenty years ago)

Arrested Development do the whole "light-hearted" rap thing and everybody calls them worthless. Fugees do the same damn thing only nowhere near as good four years later and nobody bats an eye!

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 12:53 (twenty years ago)

um, while I have no doubt comments were scarce, what xgau chooses to put in the comments section proves nothing.

thanks for making my point for me--the point being that comments were scarce. (he did actually include a couple, for the record.)

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 18:42 (twenty years ago)

apropos of nothing, really, xgau despises both AD and Dre

Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 18:50 (twenty years ago)

What were the Geto Boys copying?

Yesterday, I would've said 5 years of pre-major label Too Short and Ice T, but after having dinner last night with someone who really clued me in on what their lyrics were generally based around, I see the light now.

Still ain't buyin' it though.

PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 18:58 (twenty years ago)

apropos of nothing, really, xgau despises both AD and Dre

he actually turned around on Speech when he went solo! Made the dude's second album Hoopla an Honorable Mention and gave it a 7 in Spin.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 19:04 (twenty years ago)

"People Everyday" is one of the greatest singles ever recorded.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 19:08 (twenty years ago)

Hey, deej, is that Pete Rock instrumental record from a couple of years ago good?
-- Rickey Wright (rrricke...), June 14th, 2005.

You mean Petestrumentals? I like it, its relaxing/chill/downtempo-y hip-hop. Its not incredible or anything, but its very warm-blanket comfortable.

deej.., Tuesday, 14 June 2005 21:26 (twenty years ago)


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