http://slate.msn.com/id/2120889/
― Mervin Heinz, Wednesday, 15 June 2005 17:15 (twenty years ago)
― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 17:19 (twenty years ago)
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 15 June 2005 17:20 (twenty years ago)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 17:22 (twenty years ago)
― PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 17:22 (twenty years ago)
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 17:22 (twenty years ago)
(tho I did a double take at "Apple Head Club" - APPLE HEAD?!??? yikes)
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 15 June 2005 17:30 (twenty years ago)
― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 17:32 (twenty years ago)
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 15 June 2005 17:34 (twenty years ago)
― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 17:34 (twenty years ago)
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 15 June 2005 17:35 (twenty years ago)
― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 17:35 (twenty years ago)
― Leon C. (Ex Leon), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 17:35 (twenty years ago)
xxx-p - Try taking into account the parts about the groupies and the strip clubs for once. We're talking about a guy who was scared to death when propositioned one on one by a hooker at age 18 here.
― BARMS, Wednesday, 15 June 2005 17:36 (twenty years ago)
again, this is not news to me. Hell, this very point was reiterated over and over and over by VH1 just a month ago in their puff piece "Inside the Mind of MJ" or whatever it was called (and if VH1 is harping on the point then you know it's already percolated thru the rest of the media).
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 15 June 2005 17:38 (twenty years ago)
DING DING DING DING!
otm
(also, not coincidentally, this is common pedo psychology - "I'm not doing anything wrong, kids love it, and I'm just a kid at heart, we're SHARING, etc." See every NAMBLA members' defense ever)
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 15 June 2005 17:40 (twenty years ago)
exactly; just because he might be "stunted" doesn't mean he can't abuse. children sexually abuse other children all the time.
― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 17:41 (twenty years ago)
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 15 June 2005 17:41 (twenty years ago)
― Huk-L, Wednesday, 15 June 2005 17:42 (twenty years ago)
― Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 17:43 (twenty years ago)
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 15 June 2005 17:45 (twenty years ago)
― Huk-L, Wednesday, 15 June 2005 17:46 (twenty years ago)
(also, I realize that this is hyperbole, but this is a pretty weird analysis of children and their relationships to infants - a disgruntled little boy might toss a baby in a dumpster. I doubt most little girls would abandon a baby)
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 15 June 2005 17:47 (twenty years ago)
STOP THROWIN BABIES IN THE MUTHAFUCKIN TRASH CANS!
― Disco Rick (Solo), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 17:48 (twenty years ago)
Attend one junior prom.
― Huk-L, Wednesday, 15 June 2005 17:48 (twenty years ago)
I was joking about what young, surprised, unprepared parents often do, not the general copacetic relationship between kids and infants.
― Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 17:49 (twenty years ago)
...so you too can become a child molestor.
― PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 17:49 (twenty years ago)
His mental state definitely seemed to be deteriorating over the years but back when he was still actively making music, there was a lot of indication that this is a fully functional adult albeit one who's a little on the innocent side. But still, surely not as childlike as this article makes him out to be.
― Roz (Roz), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 17:50 (twenty years ago)
― BARMS, Wednesday, 15 June 2005 17:51 (twenty years ago)
I think you mean "the notion of projecting a proper image is innately adult". Since that seems like what was happening with his sudden "fatherhood" impulse to me.
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 15 June 2005 17:51 (twenty years ago)
that said, i largely agree w/ this article.
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 17:54 (twenty years ago)
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 15 June 2005 22:12 (twenty years ago)
― Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 22:23 (twenty years ago)
What? The Jackson family's profile hasn't been this high in years! Who wouldn't watch such a show right now?
― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 22:27 (twenty years ago)
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 15 June 2005 22:34 (twenty years ago)
Merv - this article gives you a nice plausible way to believe Michael Jackson is not a paedophile. Its called denial.
Face the truth. The guy is a sick and sexually abuses children.
― finger of the messiah, Thursday, 16 June 2005 03:52 (twenty years ago)
Obviously the dude is a little unhinged. I credit MJ's staff with his many astute business decisions, but certainly he's been a wizard as far as self-promotion and finance-accumulation goes. I've read that there's a pretty big difference between Michael-on-camera and Michael-in-private, that he acts significantly more like a regular guy when the tape isn't rolling. When not tending his flock of children, he tends to associate with people like Elizabeth Taylor and Marlon Brando, who are much like MJ, in my mind: intelligent yet marginally crazy, overadulated recluses.
Mikey doesn't really fit into a box. He's sexual (everything I've read says that he consummated his relationship with Lisa Marie more than just a few times) and asexual, sometimes crazy / sometimes sane. He's a former hard working kid who seems to have become incredibly lazy. He probably enjoys the company of pharmaceuticals. Yadda yadda.
There's a lot of shades of gray between "child molestor" and "regular dude", a lot of opportunity for contradictory behavior. He may very well have molested the kid in the early 90s and yet never made a sexual move on this new kid. He mighta squeezed em both, or neither.
The only child he definitely abused is himself, that's all I know.
― polyphonic (polyphonic), Thursday, 16 June 2005 05:49 (twenty years ago)
― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Thursday, 16 June 2005 16:11 (twenty years ago)
OTM
― metal detective (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 16 June 2005 16:44 (twenty years ago)
PULITZER
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 16 June 2005 17:11 (twenty years ago)
The trial alone featured 4 children (the accuser, Robeson, Culkin, and Chandler) who had almost identical "relationships" with MJ - parents bought off while the "cute" kid sleeps in the same bed as MJ, then are dumped when they get too old.
"According to one study, the average molester of boys commits 280 crimes over a lifetime. Yet despite the lure of getting rich by making accusations against Jacko, only two alleged victims have ever come forward with detailed allegations."
MJ is not your average anything, let alone child molestor. How long did it take for all the pedo-priest victims to come out, if ever? Absence of evidence, etc.
"What's more, those two accusations, separated by 10 years, don't conform to a pattern. Not to put too fine a point on it, but the accuser in the recent case—the cancer victim—alleged groping by Jackson. Jackson's previous accuser, whose family settled a civil suit in 1993 for $20 million, accused the singer of more extreme abuse, including oral sex."
Jordan Chandler's molestation started with just groping then gradually built to more. Perhaps MJ was never able to get any further with Gavin, or other boys.
etc etc. Its just a horrible article.
― mjfan, Thursday, 16 June 2005 17:42 (twenty years ago)
― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Thursday, 16 June 2005 19:19 (twenty years ago)