Talking Heads side projects -- Jerry Harrison and Adrian Belew -- why not quite right?

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Jerry Harrison's "The Red and the Black" sounds like it wants to be "Remain in Light," but somehow comes out sounding a little bit, dare I say, "contempo" in parts.

And I haven't heard Adrian Belew's "Lone Rhino" in a while, but it seemed to me to fall short of the guitar work he did with Talking Heads.

Any ideas as to why these don't live up? Especially given how good the first Tom Tom Club record was (with Adrian Belew on guitar, no less)...

Rob Uptight (Rob Uptight), Friday, 17 June 2005 13:16 (twenty years ago)

adrian belew's "desire caught by the tail" is amazing although not really like talking heads at all. jerry harrison's casual gods records are just crappy. I'm not sure why.

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 17 June 2005 13:34 (twenty years ago)

They don't hold up because they're talented sidemen, not geniuses.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Friday, 17 June 2005 13:35 (twenty years ago)

I've never heard the three individual Adrian Belew albums it was compiled from (Lone Rhino, Twang Bar King and Desire Caught By The Tail) but Desire Of The Rhino King is fantastic - worth buying for the song "Fish Head" alone imo!

Sounds more like Talking Heads than it does like King Crimson; even King Crimson when they were doing their best to sound like Talking Heads.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 17 June 2005 13:41 (twenty years ago)

They don't hold up because they're talented sidemen, not geniuses.

But couldn't the same thing have been said about Tina and Chris, before "Genius of Love" made the Tom Tom Club album platinum before any Talking Heads record?

I don't think it's this simple.

Rob Uptight (Rob Uptight), Friday, 17 June 2005 13:44 (twenty years ago)

Tina and Chris aren't geniuses either; they're talented sideman who happened to write a couple of great songs.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Friday, 17 June 2005 13:52 (twenty years ago)

Do we have to talk in binary -- genius vs. not genius -- or could we talk comparative strengths of various artists?

I was also interested if anybody knew how many Talking Heads-ish musicians were involved in Jerry Harrison's project? I feel like the band was very fractious at that time.

Rob Uptight (Rob Uptight), Friday, 17 June 2005 14:00 (twenty years ago)

All I know is this:

I had the cassingle of Adrian Belew's "Oh, Daddy."

Yep.

Justin, Friday, 17 June 2005 14:10 (twenty years ago)

"I had the cassingle of Adrian Belew's "Oh, Daddy."

Great tune!

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Friday, 17 June 2005 14:14 (twenty years ago)

Adrian Belew's solo shit is great! But, even moreso, is the stuff he did with his psych-pop band The Bears!

nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 17 June 2005 14:15 (twenty years ago)

but they weren't geniuses!

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 17 June 2005 14:21 (twenty years ago)

of love.

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 17 June 2005 14:21 (twenty years ago)

I like my one Bears album, but much prefer Lone Rhino and Twang Bar King. Jerry Harrison should have had a couple of hits from The Red and the Black, esp. with all the Nona Hendryx all over it, but it was not to be.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Friday, 17 June 2005 15:29 (twenty years ago)

Seconded. And as a pop record, I really did like Mr Music Head a lot when it came out. I haven't listened to it in years though. Must give it another go. Inner Revolution stil comes on the jukebox occasionally - it's alright, but it ain't Big Electric Cat.

geyser muffler and a quarter (Dave225), Friday, 17 June 2005 15:32 (twenty years ago)

bump

PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Friday, 17 June 2005 21:23 (twenty years ago)

any Casual Gods fans?

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Friday, 17 June 2005 21:41 (twenty years ago)

Is Byrne's solo output that great either?

mjq jazz bar, Saturday, 18 June 2005 01:03 (twenty years ago)

The Catherine Wheel is a great record.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Saturday, 18 June 2005 01:41 (twenty years ago)

no, I hate that casual gods album I have. it's right here looking at me too. I don't think I could even sell it back (it's vinyl). man with a gun. yeesh.

kyle (akmonday), Saturday, 18 June 2005 01:47 (twenty years ago)

maybe I will listen to it for the first time in 15 years

kyle (akmonday), Saturday, 18 June 2005 01:48 (twenty years ago)

eight years pass...

is there really not a Jerry Harrison thread?

piscesx, Saturday, 17 May 2014 13:34 (twelve years ago)

'Slink' sounds like Chaz Jankel.

piscesx, Saturday, 17 May 2014 13:36 (twelve years ago)

"Rev It Up" sounds good this Sunday afternoon

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 25 May 2014 17:19 (twelve years ago)

eight years pass...

Adrian Belew talks about Jerry Harrison quite a bit in this podcast:

https://www.caropop.com/caropopcast/episode/d476e076/adrian-belew

He gives Harrison a lot of credit, calling him the glue because he got things done in the band, especially when Byrne was out-of-town.

birdistheword, Friday, 17 February 2023 22:31 (three years ago)

Now see, a lot of that stuff just affirms what we discussed on the other thread. Jerry Harrison might not get the credit that David Byrne got, but he played a prominent role in the studio and, predictably, parlayed that into his own long, lucrative production career. But Franz and Weymouth followed up the band with pretty much a whole lotta nothing but complaints, which somewhat undercuts their claims of being unsung heroes.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 17 February 2023 22:49 (three years ago)

Yeah, Belew says it's no surprise that Harrison produces because it's kind of reflected in what he did for Talking Heads, at least in terms of getting things done or getting things to come together.

birdistheword, Friday, 17 February 2023 22:55 (three years ago)

All four of the Talking Heads made each other’s writing and playing better. It sucks that the personalities involved couldn’t value that enough to continue playing in various formations over the decades, but you can see why both Byrne and Frantz/Weymouth legitimately feel disrespected by the other faction.

It’s also fine and good that they stopped being Talking Heads before making a bunch of bad records, and that they’ve all made music for appreciative audiences for a long time afterwards. (Also that Harrison seems to be chill about the situation & about his colleagues personally.)

more crankable (sic), Saturday, 18 February 2023 00:15 (three years ago)

Didn't know Franz had a heart attack a couple of years back. Anyway, what has Franz/Weymouth done in the decades since the TH broke up? A couple Ziggy Marley albums produced, bad Happy Mondays album produced ... very bad Heads? That's it, right?

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 18 February 2023 00:22 (three years ago)

Several TTC albums, and probably lots of fun shows.

I bet they did their best with the Mondays record under the circumstances; it still managed to get one of the band's best songs out of them, and invent Black Grape.

more crankable (sic), Saturday, 18 February 2023 02:39 (three years ago)

Jerry has been on the last couple of Jonathan Richman albums! Half a Modern Lovers reunion!

Cow_Art, Saturday, 18 February 2023 03:52 (three years ago)

Wait, what?

after the pinefox (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 18 February 2023 22:54 (three years ago)

In that Tape Op interview he's pretty complimentary about their (Franz/Weymouth) playing though, and Franz' ear. Don't blame a great rhythm section for not making enough great records on their own.

change display name (Jordan), Sunday, 19 February 2023 00:35 (three years ago)

The Marc Maron interview with Jerry from a little while back is terrific: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6LtMeiQ_Hg

three of the doctor's valuable bats are now dead (broom air), Sunday, 19 February 2023 20:19 (three years ago)

I picked up Lone Rhino for a couple of bucks and I’m just giving it a spin - it is good fun! Lots of Belew making guitars sound absolutely thrilling which is a trick he seemed to lose sometime in the mid-80s? Oh it just went a bit Laughing Clowns.

Also, his singing is a lot less annoying than on the contemporaneous Crimson LPs? Or am I just getting used to it?

Anyway I don’t know if I really need it but it’s definitely a cool “art rock” record by a guy who was hanging out with cool “art rockers” like David Bowie and Robert Fripp and the Talking Heads.

meat and two vdgg (emsworth), Monday, 20 February 2023 09:24 (three years ago)

Harrison and Belew and some other folks are doing a Remain in Light tour in the US now into March

https://www.remaininlight.net/

curmudgeon, Monday, 20 February 2023 21:51 (three years ago)

I enjoyed that Caropop interview, and it made me watch the TH Live in Rome '80 set on youtube today.

change display name (Jordan), Monday, 20 February 2023 21:58 (three years ago)

I always forget that's him on 'You Can Call Me Al', jeez

change display name (Jordan), Monday, 20 February 2023 21:59 (three years ago)

"Lots of Belew making guitars sound absolutely thrilling which is a trick he seemed to lose sometime in the mid-80s" I dunno, that's really his entire thing and he does that on all of his albums, the vast majority of which have a lot to offer, i think. I mean I like something on all of them, pretty much. Desire Caught by the Tail still my favorite though.

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Tuesday, 21 February 2023 05:12 (three years ago)

that's fair, I'm hardly an expert - I guess I got to know him mainly through Bowie and he sounds amazing on that Isolar II tour and the Talking Heads live stuff - where he rules - but then when he rejoins Bowie for that Sound and Vision tour his playing doesn't feel nearly as exciting

meat and two vdgg (emsworth), Tuesday, 21 February 2023 05:43 (three years ago)

speaking of which...

guitarist scrote

meat and two vdgg (emsworth), Tuesday, 21 February 2023 05:45 (three years ago)


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