TS: Can vs. Faust

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I did a search for this, and all I found was the Can vs. Kraftwerk vs. Neu thread. I honestly don't think that many people would choose Neu over these two bands, but if you must, then go ahead and bring them up here.

Also, while we're at it: Tago Mago/Ege Bamyasi or Faust IV?

― Christian, Saturday, 18 June 2005 02:28 (twenty years ago)

"Yoo Doo Right" vs. "It's a Rainy Day (Sunshine Girl)"

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 18 June 2005 02:42 (twenty years ago)

Can

― Michael Costello (MichaelCostello1), Saturday, 18 June 2005 02:48 (twenty years ago)

CAN

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 18 June 2005 03:24 (twenty years ago)

Can by a mile, for me.

― Joe (Joe), Saturday, 18 June 2005 07:26 (twenty years ago)

can>neu>faust

― quiet crown, Saturday, 18 June 2005 07:51 (twenty years ago)

faust>can>neu for me. faust are always so unexpected / off the wall.

― phil turnbull (philT), Saturday, 18 June 2005 08:33 (twenty years ago)

neu>can>faust

― dmun drive-in (dmun), Saturday, 18 June 2005 08:54 (twenty years ago)

Faust still a kraut-industrial bulldozer live, so there's the last men standing thing here.

― Soukesian, Saturday, 18 June 2005 09:53 (twenty years ago)

I think "neu! 75" is better than any Can or Faust album.

But i'll take Can over Faust as far as this thread goes.

― Ellis From Die Hard, Saturday, 18 June 2005 09:56 (twenty years ago)

Faust? As if. Can all the way.

― Zack Richardson (teenagequiet), Saturday, 18 June 2005 18:42 (twenty years ago)

CAN

― latebloomer: We kissy kiss in the rear view (latebloomer), Saturday, 18 June 2005 18:49 (twenty years ago)

Didn't we do this already?
Or was that Neu! vs. Can?

Anyway. I pick Can because "Future Days" is one of the greatest album evah.

― That One Guy (That One Guy), Saturday, 18 June 2005 18:51 (twenty years ago)

i'll take any faust record over 'future days'

― Amon (eman), Saturday, 18 June 2005 22:55 (twenty years ago)

Faust!

I truly love Can, but Faust had that cut and paste approach to their music that makes them more fun to listen to.

― Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Saturday, 18 June 2005 23:05 (twenty years ago)

Tago Mago was the first album to seriously alter my listening habits. I 've even come to enjoy "Aumgn" and "Peking O" way more than the other tracks. So it's Tago Mago>Faust IV and Can>Faust, although I do enjoy Faust. Neu! is another terrific album, on par with Tago Mago, imo.

― Ds (ikue mori), Saturday, 18 June 2005 23:14 (twenty years ago)

Faust still a kraut-industrial bulldozer live, so there's the last men standing thing here.

i saw damo suzuki perform with cul de sac last year and it was amazing, damo sounded and looked the same and cul de sac did their thing, pretty much channeling the can vibe. so faust are hardly the last ones standing (only two are original members anyway)

― Amon (eman), Saturday, 18 June 2005 23:19 (twenty years ago)

Have to say Can, but Faust is a real sleeper. Their secondary/after-the-fact discography (the BBC sessions, 'Faust Tapes,' '71 Minutes') is at least as strong as their better known albums.

Seems to be a precipitous fall off after these two, as far as "krautrock" is concerned. Unless the Neu/Harmonia/Cluster/Kraftwerk spectrum is considered "krautrock".

― I.M. (I.M.), Sunday, 19 June 2005 00:10 (twenty years ago)

Can > Faust

I seriously feel like I am missing something when I listen to Faust, because they haven't impressed me that much and I have both IV and So Far.

― - (smile), Sunday, 19 June 2005 00:16 (twenty years ago)

I seriously feel like I am missing something when I listen to Faust, because they haven't impressed me that much and I have both IV and So Far.

Quite seriously, you might try '71 Minutes' and the 'BBC Sessions +' discs. I like them both better than So Far, and probably better than IV.

― I.M. (I.M.), Sunday, 19 June 2005 01:36 (twenty years ago)

Will do. Thanks for the rec!

― - (smile), Sunday, 19 June 2005 04:06 (twenty years ago)

neu > can > faust

because i like easy listening, i guess

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Sunday, 19 June 2005 04:10 (twenty years ago)

I really like Faust, and "Jennifer" is probably my favorite song between the two bands... but yeah, I'll take Can overall.

― sleep (sleep), Sunday, 19 June 2005 06:27 (twenty years ago)

And the little engine that could said : I think I Can I Think I Can
I Think, Therefore I CAN.

― The Silent Disco of Glastonbury (Bimble...), Sunday, 19 June 2005 06:57 (twenty years ago)

Fine bands both, but I prefer those funky extended Czukay/Leibezeit grooves to Faust's unpredictable short-attention-span leaps into the unknown. (And yet, there'll be times when I listen to Can and kinda wish they had some expansive horns and more intelligible vocals...)

― Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Sunday, 19 June 2005 12:41 (twenty years ago)

Faust
Neu - C/Kluster
Can

― Sasha (sgh), Monday, 20 June 2005 04:05 (twenty years ago)

I think Faust are generally underappreciated but I have to go with Can on this one. I love the crazy editing on the Faust Tapes and other Faust records but Can's much more organic use of editing is an even greater achievement. And while I like Faust's goofy vocals, Damo Suzuki is one of the greatest and most unique rock singers of all time. And I think Karoli & Leibezeit are one of the greatest guitar/drum combos of all time.

However, if we constrain it just to the '70s, I'll take Faust's worst moments over Can's worst moments. I'll take failed noise/pop experiments over dull new age ethno-pastiche jams any day.

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Monday, 20 June 2005 05:24 (twenty years ago)

And even so, when Can were on in the mid-to-late seventies, they were totally dynamite. Things like "I Want More" and "Full Moon on the Highway" - there are some awesome tracks on Landed (including "Half Past One," which I think may be the most fantastic thing they ever did).

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 20 June 2005 05:37 (twenty years ago)

I agree. I didn't mean that as a chronological assessment so much as a track-by-track judgement. Everything I've heard post- Future Days has some boring and skippable tracks. The worst Faust tracks on the other hand are kind of irritating and make me feel agitated which actually fits right in with the whole Faust experience for me.

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Monday, 20 June 2005 05:58 (twenty years ago)

"I did a search for this, and all I found was the Can vs. Kraftwerk vs. Neu thread. I honestly don't think that many people would choose Neu over these two bands, but if you must, then go ahead and bring them up here."

You must have missed taking sides: can vs neu , where we covered quite a bit of this ground - and several people actually professed a preference for Neu over Can.

Personally? Faust > Neu > Can - although Can and Neu might have swapped places if you ask me again later.

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Monday, 20 June 2005 07:52 (twenty years ago)

eight months pass...

Had Faust So Far and Faust IV for a while, and gave them cursory attention, and liked them a lot at least in theory. Recently gave them both a good hard listen, and loved them both. Loved loved loved. Hard to pick between the two albums. "It's A Rainy Day, Sunshine Girl" sticks in my mind, as does "Krautrock," as does really anything off either of these two records.

But here's the curious thing, and I've never read anyone else say this: I then got the first one, the first self-titled album from 1971, and thought it was a complete turd. Vaginal sand from beginning to end. And yet that album is always mentioned as being great right along with So Far and IV. Why?

Oh, and in answer to the thread question, Can by a country mile.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 03:20 (twenty years ago)

I've never understood the love for Neu. Though, to be fair, I only have Neu 2, and I've heard that's not the one to get for an intro to the band.

― js (honestengine), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 03:43 (twenty years ago)

Do you guys like Agitation Free? I've recently been listening to their first two albums, and they're fantastic.

― Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 04:10 (twenty years ago)

Do you guys like Agitation Free?

yes.

I've never understood the love for Neu.

klaus dinger. COME ON!

― Do you guys like Agitation Free?killy (baby lenin pin), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 04:19 (twenty years ago)

Faust, you wankers.

I say this only because I own virtually everything they've ever recorded (same with Neu!), and have never in a million years been compelled to raise my collection of Can releases beyond the 5 I own.

I suspect the Can love is a rockist need for a conventional jamming rock band versus a mechanized army of punishing Dada-bots. I tend to like obnoxious experimentation over drug addled escapist rock.

Oh fuck it, come to think of it, I kinda like both.

― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 04:20 (twenty years ago)

Can are not a conventional jamming rock band and you know it.

― Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 04:24 (twenty years ago)

I suspect the Can love is a rockist need for a conventional jamming rock band

Can satisfies a lot of love for the Funk. Don't forget that.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 04:25 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, not to mention the fact that their drummer and bass player were like the best and they had better singers.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 05:07 (twenty years ago)

And yet that album is always mentioned as being great right along with So Far and IV. Why?

doesn't anyone get high anymore?

― baby, disco is fuck (yournullfame), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 05:49 (twenty years ago)

ian, Malesch and 2nd are pretty great. also: Agitation Free - S/D, C/D?

― SnakeShit ;] (eman), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 06:01 (twenty years ago)

They're not typical at all. I was being a tad snarky. Though in all honesty, I do find Faust more interesting. Hell, I like Popol Vuh and Slapp Happy more than Can, but Can is fresh and yes, completely unique.

― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 13:16 (twenty years ago)

I love both. In strange way, although they're all over the place, Faust albums are more consistent - Can had lapses in quality in almost all their albums. Having said that, I do think Can are superior. Faust are a bit hippy (Can were too old for that) and bit too into Zappa and dope-smoking whimsicality. Their music seems more dated (by and large) and a bit clod-hopping and art rock and prog in places - it's all down to the rhythm section, when it comes to that Can just RULE.

― Rotatey Diskers With Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 13:25 (twenty years ago)

jaki liebezeit: i rest my case

― nerve pylon (flat_of_angles), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 14:56 (twenty years ago)

One thing about Faust though is that they're still working, and a lot of their recent albums (and collaborations, like the Dalek album) are very interesting and not at all dated. Their discography doesn't end in the seventies, and I wouldn't call much of what they've done since the seventies art rock or prog. Industrial, noise, experimental, soundscapes, and heavy dissonant rock seems to have replaced most of the nice cheerful Dada-esque friendliness of the earlier albums. I'm not saying this makes a case against Can, but it's worth considering.

― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 02:54 (twenty years ago)

Can

― Cameron Octigan (Cameron Octigan), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 03:57 (twenty years ago)

Can are teh crunker

― cnwb (cnwb), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 05:46 (twenty years ago)

Can for the rhythm section, as stated.

― sleeve (sleeve), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:21 (twenty years ago)

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