TS: Ken Ishii "Jelly Tones" VS Takkyu Ishino "Dove Loves Dub"

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2 similar sounding records from the same year - jelly tones always a favourite due to the slight sci-fi wonkyism & a Japanese folky drone aspect to all the synth pads etc - takkyu ishino similar but stompier & more minimal - same scifi jetpack techno thing goin on tho

― bob snoom, Saturday, 18 June 2005 11:51 (twenty years ago)

Japanese folky drone aspect to all the synth pads

aha finally someone who gets it! have you heard the "grip" album he recorded as FLARE? i guess ishii explicity used traditional gamelan tunings for the synths, and beatwise he really pushes the "sci-fi wonkyism" to the fore - everything rhythm sounds like some clutch of whirring, humming machines.

― vahid (vahid), Saturday, 18 June 2005 13:24 (twenty years ago)

yeh the grip cd is ace - did that skipping cd effect on the last track precede oval??? i think skinny puppy did it years before that anyhow, and it doesn't take a genius to put a noise you can hear in a track. but yes, wonkyism in a good way - why was the "sleeping sickness" or whatever it was called suck so badly - all those live percussionists were either playing or laid aginst all the tracks in a way that made everything drag - it was bad!!!
always meantto get a hold of the "regrip" remix album which was always a neat enough prospect on it's own before you find out eye from boredoms remixes "turbinates" maybe best track on disc

― bob snoom, Monday, 20 June 2005 08:58 (twenty years ago)

one year passes...

i don't know why sleeping madness sucked - there is one good track on there, though, that mixes incredibly well with everything, it's like melting ice crystal jungle techno, run through a zither and trebled, then tweaked. i think it MIGHT be called "bugged in fusion"

really interesting about gamelan temperings to ishii's synths, i had never really thought about that before - i just always loved him because everything was so damn DIGITAL at a time when retro analog action had established itself as the choice for the true techno connoisseur; i guess that's how he got such a warm sound out of it all?

only really started listening to ishino recently but i love him. and flare is one of those things that i am embarrassed to have never heard.

what i really, really want vahid and bob snoom to know, though, is that if you like this stuff then you will go absolutely gaga over this:

http://www.discogs.com/image/R-150-12364-1147556936.jpeg
http://www.discogs.com/release/12364

wich is really danny zelonky, but very different from the crank stuff. the track you really want there is the terribly-named (that's how you know it's good techno) "speculative reminiscing"

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Sunday, 30 July 2006 23:32 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.sublimerecords.net/assets/cata/ep/sblep009.jpg

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Sunday, 30 July 2006 23:33 (nineteen years ago)

i will be receiving these quite soon (i hope), from where they've lain lo these many weeks in storage:

http://www.urbanized-records.com/e/pics/jackets/0/280.jpg
UTU - N428

http://music.hyperreal.org/labels/apollo/images/kenishii_big.gif
Ishii - "Deep Sleep" (which really is one of the greatest records ever for falling asleep to, except that you have to go and lift the needle off the record when it's finished!)

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Sunday, 30 July 2006 23:39 (nineteen years ago)

haha YES i have that low-res thingy. sounds EXACTLY like early FLARE, which must be why it's on sublime and featured prominently on ken ishii's vol of the sony japan "mix up" series.

― JABBA JABBA!! NIB NIB!! (vahid), Sunday, 30 July 2006 23:48 (nineteen years ago)

I bought Jellytones when it came out and I havent played it in a long time. Infact I think I loaned it to my mate about 10 years ago and I never got it back. Its probably about 200 yards away in his parents house. I should ask him for it next time I see him visiting.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 31 July 2006 00:07 (nineteen years ago)

yay! vahid you are the only other person in the world that has ever heard of the Lo Res record. if there's anything on the Flare stuff that sounds even a fraction as good as some of that stuff - especially "speculative reminiscing" with its ominous, million-miles away bass drum, clickety reverbed surface noise percussion and sudden yawning shards of synth - i got to hear it

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 31 July 2006 09:07 (nineteen years ago)

jesus, "deep sleep" is indeed incredible, one of my fave records ever. those sickly synthesizer tones ishii used to use.... don't know if it was FM synthesis, which i sort of suspect given the japanese provenance and the insane overtones. brilliant shit. i loved "grip" back in the day, would love to revisit that.

vahid, where did you see the bit about gamelan tunings? wonder exactly how you would do that on synths. i mean, obv you could detune by cents, but i'm wondering, given the amount of harmonic variables in a gamelan, how one would reliably tune their synths to imitate that. (this is not a challenge, just a head-scratcher!)

― philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Monday, 31 July 2006 11:46 (nineteen years ago)

more than one LFO for pitch?

― JABBA JABBA!! NIB NIB!! (vahid), Monday, 31 July 2006 17:46 (nineteen years ago)

two months pass...

the Low Res track is posted on this thread - Gives ya the chills

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 9 October 2006 15:02 (nineteen years ago)

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