since it's said we haven't, lets talk sea shanty

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any recomendations of collections?

i have the folkways classic maritime music, but...i was in New Orleans 2 weeks ago and came across a room of young punks doing sea shanties....drunk punk kids (they were like 19/20) playing banjo, wash basin bass, snare and sat-on-bass, and accordian. basically applying the pogues formula to pirate songs. and if it didnt make me so goddamned happy.

question is, where the heck did they get into that stuff?

(they were followed by a very inexperienced group of young improvisors...also very sweet to see...but not so nice to hear)

b b, Monday, 20 June 2005 17:51 (twenty years ago)

awesome. my friend jason had a very very short-lived pirate-themed punk band. highlights included the song "so many wenches, so few doubloons."

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 20 June 2005 17:53 (twenty years ago)

awesome.

i should clarify, to be fair, that i have no idea what on earth they were singing. it just sounded like songs pirates would sing (though one song was damned familiar and got the whole group singing along to the chorus..but i couldn't place it)

b b, Monday, 20 June 2005 18:26 (twenty years ago)

basically applying the pogues formula to pirate songs

See also Flogging Molly, only wrt Irish Drinking songs.

Jimmy Mod Is Great At Getting Us Into Trouble (ModJ), Monday, 20 June 2005 18:27 (twenty years ago)

ARRRRRRRRRrrrrrrrrrr

m0stly clean (m0stly clean), Monday, 20 June 2005 18:33 (twenty years ago)

Collections??? There are these two islands off the coast of Canada were this has been going on for years. I'm not sure what The Pogues have to do with it.

Though more based on rock than punk, you may or may not get a kick out of Great Big Sea's first three or so albums and Ashley MacIssac's "Hi!, How Are You Today?"

Rufus 3000 (Mr Noodles), Monday, 20 June 2005 19:13 (twenty years ago)

for awhile, there was a pirate band that did sea shanties in the practice space next to me. They were great.

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 20 June 2005 19:20 (twenty years ago)

they don't really have much to do with it...my point was the pogues updated more trad. irish folk with tricks learned punk...much as these kids were to this sorta sea shanty thing...

is there a lot of sea shanty in canada? i started looking into sea shanty about a year ago and then stopped fter not getting too far. im looking for traditional stuff too, thus asking after collections.

b b, Monday, 20 June 2005 19:21 (twenty years ago)

Former Third Eye Foundation's Matt Elliott's Drinking Songs fits this category nicely, I think. In no way shantychoir sing-a-longs, but sad songs for drinkers, with nautic references (Kursk) and eerie sounds of the sea. Like sitting in a harbour bar at 5am, feeling miserable like a captain who just lost his ship, but finding comfort in drinking and singing the pain away with yer feller seabuddies.

Gerard (Gerard), Monday, 20 June 2005 19:23 (twenty years ago)

Ah ha, at last I get to mention Glasgow's mighty Lucky Luke!
Their gorgeous debut album, Patrick THe Survivor, has just been released on Invada and you should buy it cos it's dead good like.

Here's extracts of my review in Beard #3:

If there’s an urban grit and sophistication to Lucky Luke’s folk-rock, it also suggests a sense of rural displacement, Simon Shaw’s songs evoking memories of remote beaches and grey west highland skies. What really gives this album its depth, however, is his ability to add a mythic quality to his lyrics. Darker songs like ‘Apollo’ present a harsh, lonely world of drifters and parted lovers (“The first man on this earth, he was shaking, troubled by what lay ahead,”), while the pagan post-rock of ‘Silence But Waves’ offers a bleak sound-world of scratchy guitar and turbulent rhythms.

There’s hope in friendship and community, though, as the rousing chorus of ‘Fear Eat the Soul’ attests: “Please don’t be reclusive tonight my love, I think I am falling for thee”. The album’s lead single, it’s a glorious shanty, the kind of song you can swing a mug of foaming ale to.

The closer ‘By Seaton’ offers escape through transformation. “Mary loves to watch the sea, for stripped of all cares, she becomes a pebble or a shell,” Sweet and Shaw sing in unison. And the music reflects that imagery, each musician gradually dropping out until the violin and flute drift away into thin air.

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So there you have it, an ale swigging shanty.

Of course, we should mention Fairport Convention too!

Stew (stew s), Monday, 20 June 2005 19:44 (twenty years ago)

Louie, Louie!

PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Monday, 20 June 2005 19:46 (twenty years ago)

http://www.telusplanet.net/public/dperick/sunshine/thumb1.jpg

PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Monday, 20 June 2005 19:47 (twenty years ago)

stew....and the chance of finding that in the U.S.????

b b, Monday, 20 June 2005 19:54 (twenty years ago)

Well, try www.luckyluke.co.uk and check the MP3s. If you like em, there's a link to the Invada website which has an online shop.

Stew (stew s), Monday, 20 June 2005 22:16 (twenty years ago)

http://www.kevinhendrickson.com/kh/page2/piratejenny.html

J (Jay), Monday, 20 June 2005 22:27 (twenty years ago)

Haha, finally an ILM topic that I know a lot about! Boy is in the USCG, so I've a bit of drunken education in this. My favorite band: http://www.thetownpants.com/news.htm
Some of these are ones that they wrote & some are traditional songs that they've recorded:

"Monahan the Mutineer" (When I dropped Boy off at his ship for a 3 month underway trip last year, all dressed up in his tropical dress uniform, he was still hung over and singing this song. The lyrics to the chorus: So set the sails and walk the plank/What was your name and what was your rank/If you don't work well you'll be hung/So join in mutiny while you're young. I'm not making this up- it was surreally funny.)

"The Mermaid"
"Low Tide" (this one is really sad)
"Rum Runner"
"Ships made of Wood"
"The Holy Ground"


is there a lot of sea shanty in canada

Get one Maritime Provinces! Great Big Sea's Boston & St John is like the story of my life. :-P

lyra (lyra), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 01:16 (twenty years ago)

I tried to respond to this earlier but got Poxy Fuled.

Great Big Sea is from Newfoundland. Newfoundland is not a Maritime province, though that's a common misconception. There is much more authentic 'sea shanty'ish music from Newfoundland than GBS. You buy a lot of it here - not that I'd recommend it. Can't stand the stuff myself.

Kent Burt (lingereffect), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 01:43 (twenty years ago)

The thread's gone this far and yet nobody's mentioned Ween's "The Blarney Stone"?

"AYE!! AYE!! AYE!! SHARPEN YER BOOT AND BLUDGEON YER EYE!!!
AYE!! AYE!! AYE!! THE BLARNEY STONE BRINGS A TEAR TO ME EYE!!!"

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 02:03 (twenty years ago)

Achim Reichel did 2 really good albums of rock n' roll sea shanties (some traditional and some original) in the mid-late 70's. I bought some records from Germany once and they were packed with LP sleeves, two of which were from a German collection that had several of the same songs as on Mr. Reichels' records. I've always wondered if that was where he learned them. I guess I could look for an email address at http://www.achim-reichel.de/ and find out, but I'll have to dig out the sleeves and I don't know where they are.

Pangolino 2, Wednesday, 22 June 2005 02:13 (twenty years ago)

Great Big Sea is from Newfoundland. Newfoundland is not a Maritime province, though that's a common misconception.

So the lesson here is to never listen to Coasties on Canadian geography, I suppose.


lyra (lyra), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 02:47 (twenty years ago)


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