Call the Porn-Rap Lover Scum at Your Own Self-Revealing RiskYing Yang Twins by Anthony Miccio
Ying Yang Twins' whispered-in-your-ear "Wait," for better or worse, is a crass flirt mistaken for a date rape anthem by people who have no sympathy for lechers or just miss the key-for-me "Naw I'm jus playin' less ya say I can/And I'm known to be a real nasty man." I preferred it more as a Web-only toss-off rarity—like some Redd Foxx album kids are playing when their parents aren't home—than as the First Song off Our New Album boomed out of cars with a "classy" video. But either it's defensible or it ain't; with "bitch" up to debate, I'm gonna go with "is." You're welcome to never want to hear it—just call the listener scum at your own self-revealing risk. The follow-up "Pull My Hair" removes the unconsummated confessional element, adds a submissive but vocally enthusiastic participant, and winds up as flat-out male-dom porn: See? My dick. Her consent arguably makes the track less offensive-as-assaultive (anybody saying the dialogue is unrealistically fantastical is naive), but weaker hooks than "Wait" reduce the appeal to erotic content and nothing more. Ironic as it may seem, I'd assume the audience for "Pull My Hair" just might be women—it's BangBus Barry White. But then I've never understood it when they cut to the dude's oh-face.
― mwaahaha, Monday, 20 June 2005 18:08 (twenty years ago)
― miccio (miccio), Monday, 20 June 2005 18:11 (twenty years ago)
the writings good. just not sure about the unequivocal defense of the song.
― mwahahah, Monday, 20 June 2005 18:13 (twenty years ago)
― miccio (miccio), Monday, 20 June 2005 18:14 (twenty years ago)
― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 20 June 2005 18:22 (twenty years ago)
is it discussed in that gigantic whisper song thread on ilm? ill have to check it.
― mwahah, Monday, 20 June 2005 18:25 (twenty years ago)
― miccio (miccio), Monday, 20 June 2005 18:27 (twenty years ago)
― strng hlkngtn, Monday, 20 June 2005 18:29 (twenty years ago)
but Anthony is right.
(geddit?)
― Hari A$hur$t (Toaster), Monday, 20 June 2005 18:30 (twenty years ago)
― strng hlkngtn, Monday, 20 June 2005 18:32 (twenty years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 June 2005 18:33 (twenty years ago)
― donut e-goo (donut), Monday, 20 June 2005 18:44 (twenty years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 June 2005 18:47 (twenty years ago)
― strng hlkngtn, Monday, 20 June 2005 18:49 (twenty years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 June 2005 18:50 (twenty years ago)
I actually like this song again now, but the best misogynist song I've heard this year is QOTSA's "Broken Box."
― miccio (miccio), Monday, 20 June 2005 18:50 (twenty years ago)
― strng hlkngtn, Monday, 20 June 2005 18:51 (twenty years ago)
― strng hlkngtn, Monday, 20 June 2005 18:52 (twenty years ago)
― miccio (miccio), Monday, 20 June 2005 18:53 (twenty years ago)
(Still not sure what "it" is, though.)
(oh yeah, "trying to be cool." right.)
― xhuxk, Monday, 20 June 2005 18:54 (twenty years ago)
― strng hlkngtn, Monday, 20 June 2005 18:55 (twenty years ago)
― miccio (miccio), Monday, 20 June 2005 18:55 (twenty years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 June 2005 18:55 (twenty years ago)
― strng hlkngtn, Monday, 20 June 2005 18:57 (twenty years ago)
and how popular is it using that method?
― mwahha, Monday, 20 June 2005 18:57 (twenty years ago)
― miccio (miccio), Monday, 20 June 2005 18:58 (twenty years ago)
― strng hlkngtn, Monday, 20 June 2005 19:00 (twenty years ago)
― mwahah, Monday, 20 June 2005 19:01 (twenty years ago)
*sputters* he never told me that! i was wondering why it disappeared from his sidebar!
― Dave M. (rotten03), Monday, 20 June 2005 19:01 (twenty years ago)
― strng hlkngtn, Monday, 20 June 2005 19:02 (twenty years ago)
― mwahah, Monday, 20 June 2005 19:03 (twenty years ago)
― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Monday, 20 June 2005 19:04 (twenty years ago)
Haha, I heard the Mr. Softee guy singing it the other day when I was getting a milkshake.
― C0L1N B... (C0L1N B...), Monday, 20 June 2005 19:22 (twenty years ago)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 20 June 2005 19:23 (twenty years ago)
― miccio (miccio), Monday, 20 June 2005 19:27 (twenty years ago)
the Voice should add a warning graphic to potentially controversial reviews...
― Dave M. (rotten03), Monday, 20 June 2005 19:34 (twenty years ago)
sigh. how it should be.
― katie, a princess (katie, a princess), Monday, 20 June 2005 19:36 (twenty years ago)
― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Monday, 20 June 2005 19:36 (twenty years ago)
http://poplicks.com/images/paris-carlsjr.jpg
― Dave M. (rotten03), Monday, 20 June 2005 19:37 (twenty years ago)
Loud and crazy? You bet your life. Grown and sexy? Huh? Yes: The ever-so-crunk Ying Yang Twins say they're still wild guys, but are enjoying the kudos from older and more sophisticated fans since they dropped "Wait (The Whisper Song)" and its video, which finds them dressed up in suits.
"We don't get to go to clubs like that no more because of how big our name has become — we have household names now," Kaine said. "Only thing we get now is compliments from older women — not the same women we been dealing with. Now we get compliments from women that are 35 and up. Me and brother are grown now, our look is grown — not to say we ain't been grown, it's just a point of selling yourself.
"The thing about 'Wait,' " he added, "instead of being high in our voice, we just whisper. You can't always holla at every lady you talk to. Every lady you talk to is not a hoodrat. Every lady you talk is not a whore, they not all bitches — some women are women. To get a woman's attention, you have to be an adult. To step to a female and whisper to her would be more attractive than trying to make a point out loud and being in a crowd." ...
― miccio (miccio), Monday, 20 June 2005 19:58 (twenty years ago)
i wish this was a psa at the beginning of the video.
― miccio (miccio), Monday, 20 June 2005 20:00 (twenty years ago)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 20 June 2005 20:01 (twenty years ago)
― Sophisticated Fan in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 20 June 2005 20:04 (twenty years ago)
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 20 June 2005 20:04 (twenty years ago)
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 20 June 2005 20:07 (twenty years ago)
― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 20 June 2005 20:09 (twenty years ago)
― mwahah, Monday, 20 June 2005 20:12 (twenty years ago)
― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 20 June 2005 20:12 (twenty years ago)
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 20 June 2005 20:20 (twenty years ago)
― donut e-goo (donut), Monday, 20 June 2005 20:30 (twenty years ago)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 20 June 2005 20:48 (twenty years ago)
In other words, still a hit.
― Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Monday, 20 June 2005 22:49 (twenty years ago)
― deej.., Tuesday, 21 June 2005 01:23 (twenty years ago)
― whim cycle (Da ve Segal), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 01:27 (twenty years ago)
― whim cycle (Da ve Segal), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 01:28 (twenty years ago)
― deej.., Tuesday, 21 June 2005 01:29 (twenty years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 01:48 (twenty years ago)
― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 01:58 (twenty years ago)
Really? Did I call that one?
― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 02:00 (twenty years ago)
― Alan Conceicao (Alan Conceicao), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 02:03 (twenty years ago)
― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 02:12 (twenty years ago)
― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 02:29 (twenty years ago)
― Fongsrost (David Allen), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 02:39 (twenty years ago)
― strng hlkngtn, Tuesday, 21 June 2005 02:49 (twenty years ago)
― strng hlkngtn, Tuesday, 21 June 2005 02:58 (twenty years ago)
― strng hlkngtn, Tuesday, 21 June 2005 02:59 (twenty years ago)
I'm surprised that you're surprised by this Jess!
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 03:00 (twenty years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 03:02 (twenty years ago)
xpost: ned in not getting rap injoke shocker.
― strng hlkngtn, Tuesday, 21 June 2005 03:03 (twenty years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 03:05 (twenty years ago)
― strng hlkngtn, Tuesday, 21 June 2005 03:05 (twenty years ago)
― strng hlkngtn, Tuesday, 21 June 2005 03:06 (twenty years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 03:07 (twenty years ago)
― strng hlkngtn, Tuesday, 21 June 2005 03:07 (twenty years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 03:09 (twenty years ago)
― strng hlkngtn, Tuesday, 21 June 2005 03:09 (twenty years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 03:11 (twenty years ago)
I wish wish wish so hard it hurts my heart that you, and several of your peers not to name any names who also feel this way, would elaborate publicly on why they feel this way, and be blunt about it. I share the feeling somewhat but less intensely I think.
― Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 03:46 (twenty years ago)
Haha, I was at a party in Williamsburg tonight this Jon Williams-lookin' guy apparently listened exclusively to Manitoba and the Diplomats.
― C0L1N B... (C0L1N B...), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 04:10 (twenty years ago)
― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 04:15 (twenty years ago)
― C0L1N B... (C0L1N B...), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 04:30 (twenty years ago)
In the same way that it's hard to imagine anyone who was not genuinely enthused about nu-wave getting into the Kaiser Chiefs (but easy to imagine them randomly liking Bloc Party or Franz Ferdinand or The Futureheads).
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 04:59 (twenty years ago)
― donut e-goo (donut), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 05:47 (twenty years ago)
a.) i don't feel like it's being made for me (for "me" = "my age group") anymore, based on the kinda rap i was socialized on 86-94. and the stuff that is supposed to appeal to me (new common, kanye, most underground shit) leaves me feeling "this is pretty okay" or "ugh". which is fine, it happens to everyone who loves an established genre as they get older, as one generation gives way to the next with different needs/desires. but it's cyclical too. and there's nothing saying my opinion might not change in 1/3/5/10 years. i wasn't too big a fan of radio rock during nu-metal, which at the time seemed like it was going to last forever, and now i have more of an affection for it at any time since pre-alt-rock. (which is not to say most of it doesn't suck, but most everything sucks, etc etc.)
b.) i don't like rote (boring/lazy/not clever/uncreative) sexism/misogyny (the ying yang twins are not biggie or even too $hort) and i don't like it in EVERY record. it's a grind, man.
c.) i don't think crack mythology is a great subject to be peddling en masse to the broadest range of people the genre has ever known.
d.) i don't have the time to search out the good, hidden stuff like i used to.
e.) reviewing it steadily for 18 months made me realize what shitholes most major label rap departments are these days.
fin.
― strng hlkngtn, Tuesday, 21 June 2005 10:12 (twenty years ago)
― strng hlkngtn, Tuesday, 21 June 2005 10:15 (twenty years ago)
― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 10:18 (twenty years ago)
― strng hlkngtn, Tuesday, 21 June 2005 10:23 (twenty years ago)
― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 10:29 (twenty years ago)
― stelf)xxxx, Tuesday, 21 June 2005 13:34 (twenty years ago)
every time I talk to ethan I tell him that will smith has the best album of the year and that he's just jealous that electric circus sold 3 million records and southern gangster rap is doing so poorly sales-wise. he hate me.
― Haikunym (Haikunym), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 13:49 (twenty years ago)
Hip-hop now is the greatest it's ever been ("now" being 1998 to the present, more or less), though the radio doesn't always play the best tracks, and of course I wish there were still a Shanté or a Spoonie Gee dancing their way through the beats. (But I don't hear their mindset being any less part of the overall misogynist culture than crunk's is.)
I'm amused when people younger than I are referred to as cranky old men. Greg Tate is running on empty. His Eminem review was just him sweating or urinating, a Pavlovian response with no input from the mind.
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 19:10 (twenty years ago)
MWAHAHAHAHAHA. yeah, ok man.
"playing end-game hysterics"
not sure what those are but yeah, the whisper song isnt the nicest song in the world. its not the worst though. apart from the use of the word bitch, and the way its all about the man and the girl as a fuck toy. those things aside, the song is fantastic.
― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 19:14 (twenty years ago)
― g e o f f (gcannon), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 19:20 (twenty years ago)
― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 19:22 (twenty years ago)