ILM's own anthony miccio in the village voice on why if you dis the ying yang twins' song 'wait', you are a prude and someone with sexual hang-ups

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nothing to do with the voice trying to be cool of course. no sirreeeeee!

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Ying Yang Twins

by Anthony Miccio

Ying Yang Twins' whispered-in-your-ear "Wait," for better or worse, is a crass flirt mistaken for a date rape anthem by people who have no sympathy for lechers or just miss the key-for-me "Naw I'm jus playin' less ya say I can/And I'm known to be a real nasty man." I preferred it more as a Web-only toss-off rarity—like some Redd Foxx album kids are playing when their parents aren't home—than as the First Song off Our New Album boomed out of cars with a "classy" video. But either it's defensible or it ain't; with "bitch" up to debate, I'm gonna go with "is." You're welcome to never want to hear it—just call the listener scum at your own self-revealing risk.
The follow-up "Pull My Hair" removes the unconsummated confessional element, adds a submissive but vocally enthusiastic participant, and winds up as flat-out male-dom porn: See? My dick. Her consent arguably makes the track less offensive-as-assaultive (anybody saying the dialogue is unrealistically fantastical is naive), but weaker hooks than "Wait" reduce the appeal to erotic content and nothing more. Ironic as it may seem, I'd assume the audience for "Pull My Hair" just might be women—it's BangBus Barry White. But then I've never understood it when they cut to the dude's oh-face.


mwaahaha, Monday, 20 June 2005 18:08 (twenty years ago)

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miccio (miccio), Monday, 20 June 2005 18:11 (twenty years ago)

not as cool as it is to have kneejerk jpeg responses, evidently.

the writings good. just not sure about the unequivocal defense of the song.

mwahahah, Monday, 20 June 2005 18:13 (twenty years ago)

search engine, silly. I didn't say it was wrong to find the song offensive.

miccio (miccio), Monday, 20 June 2005 18:14 (twenty years ago)

ummm, dude, where were you three weeks ago? this article has been discussed to death on ilm, not to mention dozens of blogs.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 20 June 2005 18:22 (twenty years ago)

oh. which blogs?

is it discussed in that gigantic whisper song thread on ilm? ill have to check it.

mwahah, Monday, 20 June 2005 18:25 (twenty years ago)

for those playing along at home.

miccio (miccio), Monday, 20 June 2005 18:27 (twenty years ago)

dave is wrong there about the title of his blog being fucked up, btw. i mean it is, but it's also hilarious. (ha ha also one time apparently dee barnes sent matos a freaked out email over him having it in his links bar.)

strng hlkngtn, Monday, 20 June 2005 18:29 (twenty years ago)

i made a massive thread on this song

but Anthony is right.

(geddit?)

Hari A$hur$t (Toaster), Monday, 20 June 2005 18:30 (twenty years ago)

my milquetoast good male liberal rnb thing this week will erase miccio's nasty manfunk taint

strng hlkngtn, Monday, 20 June 2005 18:32 (twenty years ago)

HOMOPHOBE

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 June 2005 18:33 (twenty years ago)

Harvelle & Sebastian

donut e-goo (donut), Monday, 20 June 2005 18:44 (twenty years ago)

Gamboling through the fields singing, "Wait until you see my blog."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 June 2005 18:47 (twenty years ago)

i have no blog, raggett. (i kind of miss my blog.)

strng hlkngtn, Monday, 20 June 2005 18:49 (twenty years ago)

Let it run free and wild, like an unspoiled child.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 June 2005 18:50 (twenty years ago)

I miss your blog too, Jess.

I actually like this song again now, but the best misogynist song I've heard this year is QOTSA's "Broken Box."

miccio (miccio), Monday, 20 June 2005 18:50 (twenty years ago)

every time i see them mugging behind the wheel of some overly photoshopped car, i WANT to love this song again.

strng hlkngtn, Monday, 20 June 2005 18:51 (twenty years ago)

it does seem to have died it's pop cultural death, however, at least from where i am sitting.

strng hlkngtn, Monday, 20 June 2005 18:52 (twenty years ago)

still in the top whatever!

miccio (miccio), Monday, 20 June 2005 18:53 (twenty years ago)

By the way, can I just say that it is all my fault?

(Still not sure what "it" is, though.)

(oh yeah, "trying to be cool." right.)

xhuxk, Monday, 20 June 2005 18:54 (twenty years ago)

i guess i gauge popularity more by how often i hear it coming from cars/windows/the mouths of babes than actual chart placing.

strng hlkngtn, Monday, 20 June 2005 18:55 (twenty years ago)

I think Keith Harris saying Sleater-Kinney made him wish he didn't have a pee-pee restored the karmic balance.

miccio (miccio), Monday, 20 June 2005 18:55 (twenty years ago)

x-post!

miccio (miccio), Monday, 20 June 2005 18:55 (twenty years ago)

I think the last time I randomly overheard the beat was about three weeks back.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 June 2005 18:55 (twenty years ago)

i left out the part where i said amerie made me proud to have a pee-pee

strng hlkngtn, Monday, 20 June 2005 18:57 (twenty years ago)

"i guess i gauge popularity more by how often i hear it coming from cars/windows/the mouths of babes than actual chart placing."

and how popular is it using that method?

mwahha, Monday, 20 June 2005 18:57 (twenty years ago)

I've only heard the song once on the radio here (and I listen a lot, but the hip-hop station got sold and now there's really only the two 'pop' stations that might play it) and they actually hacked off the beating and the waiting, reducing the track to a beat, some half edited verses and bee-yam bee-yam.

miccio (miccio), Monday, 20 June 2005 18:58 (twenty years ago)

it was very popular about a month or two ago, and slightly less popular now. (for comparison, that "you gonna love me" song is hella popular at the moment. and daddy yankee is anthem of the year.)

strng hlkngtn, Monday, 20 June 2005 19:00 (twenty years ago)

is it wrong to suggest that men may have more of a problem with this song than women seem to? i mean, this song is fucking huge in the clubs.

mwahah, Monday, 20 June 2005 19:01 (twenty years ago)

(one time apparently dee barnes sent matos a freaked out email over him having it in his links bar.)

*sputters* he never told me that! i was wondering why it disappeared from his sidebar!

Dave M. (rotten03), Monday, 20 June 2005 19:01 (twenty years ago)

now i am wondering if i shoulda mentioned that.

strng hlkngtn, Monday, 20 June 2005 19:02 (twenty years ago)

from london to the US, it seems this track is HUGE with female clubgoers.

mwahah, Monday, 20 June 2005 19:03 (twenty years ago)

Dave, I forwarded you the email! (You disappeared because you stopped updating for a while there.)

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Monday, 20 June 2005 19:04 (twenty years ago)

I think the last time I randomly overheard the beat was about three weeks back.

Haha, I heard the Mr. Softee guy singing it the other day when I was getting a milkshake.

C0L1N B... (C0L1N B...), Monday, 20 June 2005 19:22 (twenty years ago)

The remix was getting more radio play this weekend in SF AFAICT.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 20 June 2005 19:23 (twenty years ago)

My favorite extreme radio edit is the version of "Lovers & Friends" where they take out Lil Jon's part, reducing his presence on a track that's allegedly his to an echoed "hey!" at the end and "luda-CRISS!" at the beginning.

miccio (miccio), Monday, 20 June 2005 19:27 (twenty years ago)

damn, i can't find it in my old inbox. was it as bizarre as i imagine? (also i don't blame you, i went travelling for two months and gave no warning.)

the Voice should add a warning graphic to potentially controversial reviews...

Dave M. (rotten03), Monday, 20 June 2005 19:34 (twenty years ago)

where they take out Lil Jon's part, reducing his presence on a track that's allegedly his to an echoed "hey!" at the end and "luda-CRISS!" at the beginning.

sigh. how it should be.

katie, a princess (katie, a princess), Monday, 20 June 2005 19:36 (twenty years ago)

I got that email something like a year ago, actually. It was pretty funny: "What do you mean Slap Dee Barnes signed DEE BARNES!!!!" or something close to it.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Monday, 20 June 2005 19:36 (twenty years ago)

This article may not be suitable for people with a heart condition or children under 18.

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Dave M. (rotten03), Monday, 20 June 2005 19:37 (twenty years ago)

by baffling coincidence, I just saw this on MTV.com a minute ago:

Loud and crazy? You bet your life. Grown and sexy? Huh? Yes: The ever-so-crunk Ying Yang Twins say they're still wild guys, but are enjoying the kudos from older and more sophisticated fans since they dropped "Wait (The Whisper Song)" and its video, which finds them dressed up in suits.

"We don't get to go to clubs like that no more because of how big our name has become — we have household names now," Kaine said. "Only thing we get now is compliments from older women — not the same women we been dealing with. Now we get compliments from women that are 35 and up. Me and brother are grown now, our look is grown — not to say we ain't been grown, it's just a point of selling yourself.

"The thing about 'Wait,' " he added, "instead of being high in our voice, we just whisper. You can't always holla at every lady you talk to. Every lady you talk to is not a hoodrat. Every lady you talk is not a whore, they not all bitches — some women are women. To get a woman's attention, you have to be an adult. To step to a female and whisper to her would be more attractive than trying to make a point out loud and being in a crowd." ...

miccio (miccio), Monday, 20 June 2005 19:58 (twenty years ago)

You can't always holla at every lady you talk to. Every lady you talk to is not a hoodrat. Every lady you talk is not a whore, they not all bitches — some women are women.

i wish this was a psa at the beginning of the video.

miccio (miccio), Monday, 20 June 2005 20:00 (twenty years ago)

Hahaha they should write a dating-advice column.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 20 June 2005 20:01 (twenty years ago)

"I say Sir William have you heard this new ditty by the Ying Yang Twins where they extol the virtues of 'beating the pussy up'. It's ever so delightful."

Sophisticated Fan in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 20 June 2005 20:04 (twenty years ago)

So, to get a sophisticated lady, instead of yelling "BITCH SUCK MY DICK!" you should whisper "bitch suck my dick". Got it.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 20 June 2005 20:04 (twenty years ago)

Should I offer her a Barcardi Limon/Miller Lite shandy in stemware as opposed the cut-off bottom of a two-liter bottle as well?

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 20 June 2005 20:07 (twenty years ago)

The Hold Steady ft. the Ying-Yang Twins: "Every Lady is Not Your Little Hoodrat Friend"

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 20 June 2005 20:09 (twenty years ago)

clearly im just a grumpy old fashioned man who cant help but see something slightly wrong with a track like this being so mainstream. or an old git who just doesnt like the thought of 'hey bitch wait til you see my dick' being thought of as acceptable. its still pretty derogatory. if it was underground, it would be ok, but on mtv and all the rest of it, no thanks. but then, women dont seem to care about it, so why should i?! perhaps i should just think of this as hardcorefucktalk come to life. id still prefer it if it wasnt part of mainstream pop culture though.

mwahah, Monday, 20 June 2005 20:12 (twenty years ago)

i'm so bored with this controversy.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 20 June 2005 20:12 (twenty years ago)

i'm a lech and an asshole, so i heart this song and miccio's piece.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 20 June 2005 20:20 (twenty years ago)

I was more offended at Vice magazine's article about how "Black Americans should stop complainin' because they got it so good" piece.

donut e-goo (donut), Monday, 20 June 2005 20:30 (twenty years ago)

?!?!?

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 20 June 2005 20:48 (twenty years ago)

I heard the song blasting out of three consecutive cars passing by today.

In other words, still a hit.

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Monday, 20 June 2005 22:49 (twenty years ago)

I've heard mike jones out of more car windows than anything. Mike jones and daddy yankee.

deej.., Tuesday, 21 June 2005 01:23 (twenty years ago)

I still haven't heard Mike Jones, and I go out all the time and live in a big-ish city. WTF?

whim cycle (Da ve Segal), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 01:27 (twenty years ago)

Nor have I heard Daddy Yankee. But I don't listen to radio. I'm too much of a control freak.

whim cycle (Da ve Segal), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 01:28 (twenty years ago)

What city?

deej.., Tuesday, 21 June 2005 01:29 (twenty years ago)

Riyadh.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 01:48 (twenty years ago)

to answer alex's "???", if that's what it was about, vice mag had a piece in the recent issue listing the reasons why slavery shouldn't be a worry anymore and how black folks should just shut it

Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 01:58 (twenty years ago)

(for comparison, that "you gonna love me" song is hella popular at the moment.)

Really? Did I call that one?

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 02:00 (twenty years ago)

Judging by the "out of car window" methodology, The Whisper Song has disappeared from Hartford, and has been replaced threefold with the new Game single, which is seemingly inescapable.

Alan Conceicao (Alan Conceicao), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 02:03 (twenty years ago)

I agree with Alan and I'd like to note that the Game single sucks.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 02:12 (twenty years ago)

I don't know that I've actually heard Mike Jones on the radio, to be honest.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 02:29 (twenty years ago)

Is bangbus really that well known? I had know idea the entire nation was secretely wanking to the beat of one drum. but they are. LOVE THE REVIEW SONG LOVE LOVE

Fongsrost (David Allen), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 02:39 (twenty years ago)

the daddy yankee is probably because i live in a VERY latino neighborhood at the moment.

strng hlkngtn, Tuesday, 21 June 2005 02:49 (twenty years ago)

other big revelation since moving here is that actual black people listen to the diplomats and various members of the diplomats, not just white rap critics and bloggers.

strng hlkngtn, Tuesday, 21 June 2005 02:58 (twenty years ago)

of course, the same guy was also listening to modern english one day, so it may actually be diplo in blackface for all i know.

strng hlkngtn, Tuesday, 21 June 2005 02:59 (twenty years ago)

"other big revelation since moving here is that actual black people listen to the diplomats and various members of the diplomats, not just white rap critics and bloggers. "

I'm surprised that you're surprised by this Jess!

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 03:00 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I gotta go with Tim here. Kinda smacks of a strange essentialism.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 03:02 (twenty years ago)

haha i knew it had reached some sort of critical mass when vibe put "do you think it's weird that the diplomats have become the go to rap crew for whitey internet nerds?" in that 20 questions thing they have on the last page.

xpost: ned in not getting rap injoke shocker.

strng hlkngtn, Tuesday, 21 June 2005 03:03 (twenty years ago)

I think I'm glad I get emo injokes even less!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 03:05 (twenty years ago)

there was also this bizarre self-hating one page in the last mass appeal about y2k5 wiggas and their diplomats love and how if they were really down they'd love shit like edan too.

strng hlkngtn, Tuesday, 21 June 2005 03:05 (twenty years ago)

i'll just come out and say i think both the diplomats AND edan suck rocks.

strng hlkngtn, Tuesday, 21 June 2005 03:06 (twenty years ago)

But then everyone will hate you!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 03:07 (twenty years ago)

postcards to the usual address

strng hlkngtn, Tuesday, 21 June 2005 03:07 (twenty years ago)

I hear them making the cards right now.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 03:09 (twenty years ago)

every now and again when i get to talk to ethan he always asks me about twenty minutes in whether or not i hate rap now, and i think i do.

strng hlkngtn, Tuesday, 21 June 2005 03:09 (twenty years ago)

it's not you, it's me, rap music.

strng hlkngtn, Tuesday, 21 June 2005 03:09 (twenty years ago)

Ambient environmental sounds = the only hardcore.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 03:11 (twenty years ago)

every now and again when i get to talk to ethan he always asks me about twenty minutes in whether or not i hate rap now, and i think i do.

I wish wish wish so hard it hurts my heart that you, and several of your peers not to name any names who also feel this way, would elaborate publicly on why they feel this way, and be blunt about it. I share the feeling somewhat but less intensely I think.


Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 03:46 (twenty years ago)

haha i knew it had reached some sort of critical mass when vibe put "do you think it's weird that the diplomats have become the go to rap crew for whitey internet nerds?" in that 20 questions thing they have on the last page.

Haha, I was at a party in Williamsburg tonight this Jon Williams-lookin' guy apparently listened exclusively to Manitoba and the Diplomats.

C0L1N B... (C0L1N B...), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 04:10 (twenty years ago)

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Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 04:15 (twenty years ago)

Daddy Yankee is definitely huge. To the point where I can play it alongside Kelly Clarkson and "Any Way You Want It" at the mostly white, all Yuppie sports bar I work at.

C0L1N B... (C0L1N B...), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 04:30 (twenty years ago)

I would have thought that the Diplomats were like a litmus test for whether you were really into street hip hop for its own sake rather than specific distinctive examples of it.

In the same way that it's hard to imagine anyone who was not genuinely enthused about nu-wave getting into the Kaiser Chiefs (but easy to imagine them randomly liking Bloc Party or Franz Ferdinand or The Futureheads).

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 04:59 (twenty years ago)

(major xpost to Alex in SF.. that was not a joke! I was waiting for a haircut, and there it was.. the latest issue.. the one with the big ugly fingernails on it. i skimmed through just to get to the dos and don'ts and sure enough... anti-black propaganda for the hipster set.)

donut e-goo (donut), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 05:47 (twenty years ago)

I wish wish wish so hard it hurts my heart that you, and several of your peers not to name any names who also feel this way, would elaborate publicly on why they feel this way, and be blunt about it.

a.) i don't feel like it's being made for me (for "me" = "my age group") anymore, based on the kinda rap i was socialized on 86-94. and the stuff that is supposed to appeal to me (new common, kanye, most underground shit) leaves me feeling "this is pretty okay" or "ugh". which is fine, it happens to everyone who loves an established genre as they get older, as one generation gives way to the next with different needs/desires. but it's cyclical too. and there's nothing saying my opinion might not change in 1/3/5/10 years. i wasn't too big a fan of radio rock during nu-metal, which at the time seemed like it was going to last forever, and now i have more of an affection for it at any time since pre-alt-rock. (which is not to say most of it doesn't suck, but most everything sucks, etc etc.)

b.) i don't like rote (boring/lazy/not clever/uncreative) sexism/misogyny (the ying yang twins are not biggie or even too $hort) and i don't like it in EVERY record. it's a grind, man.

c.) i don't think crack mythology is a great subject to be peddling en masse to the broadest range of people the genre has ever known.

d.) i don't have the time to search out the good, hidden stuff like i used to.

e.) reviewing it steadily for 18 months made me realize what shitholes most major label rap departments are these days.

fin.

strng hlkngtn, Tuesday, 21 June 2005 10:12 (twenty years ago)

but, though it was the first music i ever loved (unless weird al counts), i've never felt invested enough in it as a culture to go all "THE RAP GAME IS ON THE RESPIRATOR, SOMEONE CALL BILL ADLER" and bother ranting about it every chance i get. i figure for critical pissing in the changing winds, there's no way i'm gonna be able to stack up to greg tate, who is doing just fine railing at windmills in his current cranky old man phase.

strng hlkngtn, Tuesday, 21 June 2005 10:15 (twenty years ago)

i like greg's new anti-mainstream hip hop ranting. he bigs up nas, quite nicely. bigs up outkast as he likes anything to do with p-funk in hip hop and disses lil jon blindly for being a minstrel. its great reading. his eminem diatribe sounded like he didnt even hear the album and was still sticking to decade-old theories on white imitations of black art.

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 10:18 (twenty years ago)

and i have actually talked about this with anthony and otherz, but rock radio NOW (in the pop-punk/emo/nu-wave era) may be even more misogynistic/sexist than nu-metal (which was mostly thinking about how daddy left you and mommy for that waitress in tuscon and sitting down and having a good cry). so while, yes, i care about all the sexism/misogyny/materialism/drugs/violence/homophobia shit, GOOD TUNEZ do count for a lot, as they do for anyone with a pulse i think.

strng hlkngtn, Tuesday, 21 June 2005 10:23 (twenty years ago)

i think hip hop's days of making GOOD tracks about sexism/misogyny/materialism/drugs/violence/homophobia are in the past. its all so part and parcel and expected of what a rapper is these days, its just become one of the most boring things of the genre.

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 10:29 (twenty years ago)

reading this thread and the blog posts dave linked to on slap dee barnes (which is a good name) has just made me realise how fortunate i've been to avoid blogs and ilm for a couple of months. all this debate is insane. i really wouldn't mind if what the yyt's were saying actually meant (at worst) rape or (at best) punching women in their genitals, as is being staed by some quarters. jessica h's argument would have been much stronger if she actually listened to the record, ditched the histrionics and was willing to concede that all they're talking about is fucking real hard and with no regard for the person on the end of that fucking - quite enough to work with in terms of offering reasons why this perhaps isn't the nicest song in the world and why men shouldn't treat women. playing end-game hysterics, though, really weakens any argument she has to the point of self-parody.

stelf)xxxx, Tuesday, 21 June 2005 13:34 (twenty years ago)

every now and again when i get to talk to ethan he always asks me about twenty minutes in whether or not i hate rap now, and i think i do.

every time I talk to ethan I tell him that will smith has the best album of the year and that he's just jealous that electric circus sold 3 million records and southern gangster rap is doing so poorly sales-wise. he hate me.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 13:49 (twenty years ago)

I'm a prude with sexual hangups and I think "Wait" is the most boring Ying Yang Twins single ever. Don Yute's "Row Da Boat," featuring and dominated by the Ying Yang Twins, was my favorite single of 2004, however, and in it the Twins express admirable open-mindedness, viz. "I ain't set on no big booty/You can gimme a little tooty booty/I'm cool wi' dat."

Hip-hop now is the greatest it's ever been ("now" being 1998 to the present, more or less), though the radio doesn't always play the best tracks, and of course I wish there were still a Shanté or a Spoonie Gee dancing their way through the beats. (But I don't hear their mindset being any less part of the overall misogynist culture than crunk's is.)

I'm amused when people younger than I are referred to as cranky old men. Greg Tate is running on empty. His Eminem review was just him sweating or urinating, a Pavlovian response with no input from the mind.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 19:10 (twenty years ago)

"Hip-hop now is the greatest it's ever been"

MWAHAHAHAHAHA. yeah, ok man.

"playing end-game hysterics"

not sure what those are but yeah, the whisper song isnt the nicest song in the world. its not the worst though. apart from the use of the word bitch, and the way its all about the man and the girl as a fuck toy. those things aside, the song is fantastic.

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 19:14 (twenty years ago)

i didn't like "wait" cos the whispering comes thru the speakers as this constant high-frequency ssssss. and it was kind of dull. but i agree with frank; "wait" was also a big letdown; me and my brother was huge and booming and very funny, "wait" is none of those things.

g e o f f (gcannon), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 19:20 (twenty years ago)

wait is kinda boring lyrically, its only cool and special cos they whisper it. its not as funny, youre right.

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 19:22 (twenty years ago)


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