Reign in Blood is the Best Metal Album EVER!

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Alex in SF, Saturday, 2 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

nahhhh. but it's definitely the best slayer album, and probably the best metal album of the 80s.

your null fame, Saturday, 2 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

yeah but metal was only ever good in the 80s.

Black Sabbath were crap and Judas Priest were hit and miss.

the 90s just wasn't the decade for metal.

Wyndham Earl, Saturday, 2 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

What's the fastest, loudest, most extreme metal album?

A Nairn, Saturday, 2 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Cripes, *ANOTHER* "Alex in...somewhere." Hurrumph!

Hmmmm.....REIGN IN BLOOD the best ever? Let's run through some other contenders first, shall we?

(1) PARANOID by Black Sabbath - Probably my first vote (or side one, at least). How could you argue against "War Pigs," "Iron Man" and "Paranoid" being the holy METAL triumverate? Still, I suppose the trippy jazzy-odyssey "Planet Caravan" negates the album's status as entierely, wholly metal.

(2) NO SLEEP `TILL HAMMERSMITH by Motorhead - Ah, now this is more like it. Faster, harder, sloppier than all their studio albums, and unceasingly brutal. Vintage line-up with Philthy Animal Taylor and Fast Eddie Clarke. An exceptionally tough album to beat. Too Punky for orthodox metal? Do live albums count?

(3) MASTER OF PUPPETS by Metallica - Despite their current status as bassistless Armani-clotheshorses, once upon a time this album was really the bee's knees for any and every discerning member of the Metal cogniscenti. If you don't hold later crimes against them, this album still makes quite an argument for itself.

(4) BACK IN BLACK by AC/DC - Irrefutably a classic by every standard, but throw the word "Metal" at the band and they'll invariably balk, offering terms like "boogie" at you instead. A ferocious album, but not singularly Metal enough, I wager.

(5) NUMBER OF THE BEAST by Iron Maiden - It's all here: riffs, hair, high-piped warbling and Satan. Not enough power-chords you say? Pah! NWOBHM at it's best I reckon. But best ever?

(6) BRITISH STEEL by Judas Priest - Just about all of the above (minus Satan). Too pop-conscious for best-Metal-ever, tho', methinks (not to mention not-just-a-little-silly).

(7) FAIR WARNING by Van Halen - They'd never accept being simply a meatl band, but I'd suggest this disc boasts their heaviest and darkest incarnation, with the malevolent rifftacity of "Unchained" and "Mean Streets" therein. Still, not solely metal (not enough leathuh).

(8) DESTROYER by Kiss - Beautifully stoopid-but-Ezrin'ized pomp & circumstance, but "Beth" sinks the ship.

(9) AT WAR WITH SATAN by Venom - Possibly too over the top, but isn't that the point? The embossed leather-bound sleeve gains points, but lack of tunesmithery'll cost'em. "Rip Ride" makes a strong case, tho'.

Let's see....who'm I missing? Blue Oyster Cult? Ted Nugent? Anthrax? Def Lepard? Saxon? Deep Purple? Naaaah....

My vote is going towards NO SLEPP `TILL HAMMERSMITH.

Alex in NYC, Saturday, 2 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

SLEPP? Argh! SLEEP!

Alex in NYC, Saturday, 2 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Oddly enough, Sleep is the correct answer, as in Sleep's 45-minute doom metal opus "Jerusalem."

Reign in Blood's great, personally I like Seasons in the Abyss better; you could make a real case for Celtic Frost's "Into the Pandemonium" being at least as good as "Reign in Blood"; today I'm wondering if Nile's "Black Seeds of Vengeance" isn't pretty close, too; enamored of semicolons at the moment, please excuse.

Probably more accurate to Balkanize a little and say RIB is the best speed-metal album ever, or the best eighties metal album. The nineties had so much great new stuff going on metalwise that by the end of it Slayer sound like they're in an entirely different genre from the young turks.

John Darnielle, Saturday, 2 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

"Seasons" is a much better Slayer album

chaki, Sunday, 3 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Black Sabbath were crap[...]

what? WHAT?! GET THE FUCK OFF OF MY PLANET, YOU GODDAMN HEARTLESS COMMUNIST.

saying that and a world where "seasons in the abyss" is better than "reign in blood" is a world i don't want to live in. such a crap attempt to revisit "reign in blood" after the "south of heaven"...

your null fame, Sunday, 3 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Subject of thread = correct.

Omar, Sunday, 3 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

slayer is simply one of the best albums ever

up there for me with Daydream Nation, Bug, Every good boy..., Nation of Millions, Fresh fruit etc

From a lacerated sky

Sonicred, Sunday, 3 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

oops i meant "south" of heaven. thats the better album. not "seasons" im sorry.

chaki, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Dude, cause so many people mentioned it (Omar and Gage included) I HAD to buy it the other day. Way too much jetlag and headache to put it on now though.

helenfordsdale, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Yes, my power to compel Belgians to worship Satan is at full bloom! HAIL SANTA!!!

oops. wrong myth.

Gage-o, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

South of Heaven is utter shit. it was around that time that a lot of the original thrash bands started putting out hopelessly dull albums like Metallica's 'And Justice For All' or Anthrax's 'State of Euphoria'

Wyndham Earl, Tuesday, 5 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

not only is it slayer's only really worthwhile album (don't anyone even bother talking abouts seasons. that thing's a piece of garbage. dead skin mask, my ass), it TOTALLY set the standard for all death metal, grindcore, metalcore, digital hardcore, etc etc etc. it's influence is felt in bands and artists such as converge, the melvins, kid 606, brutal truth, boredoms, dillinger escape plan, enon, mr. bungle, fear factory, john zorn, secret chiefs 3....all very diverse and widespread. not to mention the fact that it scared the crap out of my in grade 8 and totally changed my life since then.

Leigh, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Where is MEGADEATH?!?!?!?

Tim, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Hey, 'Seasons' has "Hallowed Point" and "Expendable Youth", dig those traps!

dave q, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

three weeks pass...
How can u say that sabbath and judas preist were just hits and misses Sabbath was one of the greastest metal bands ever im sure they had a miss with paraniod and sabbath bloody sabbath Judas Preist wasnt a hit and miss they had the voice of the 80's in there band ROB HALFORD is a legend nobodys voice can stay up with him and the had heaps of great singles like 'Painkiller' and 'Breaking the Law' and 'The Ripper' Reign and blood is not the best metal album ever realsead i would have to give that to Killers by Iron Maiden or Angel Witch By Angel although Reign In Blood is an aresome albums there are still albums out there that are better then that is

oddy, Saturday, 2 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

"Reign In Blood is an aresome albums" = my favorite review EVAH!

mark s, Saturday, 2 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I lent one of my coworkers Reign in Blood yesterday, thinking he'd like it--I mean, it rocks, right? Everyone likes it. (I should probably note that this guy does the audio for the aquarium--ambient sound, crappy new age background music, those talking displays--and he's a long-haired middle-aged audiophile who recently told me how much he was enjoying Gary Wright 'cause "Dreamweaver" has a "killer drum sound, man.") So he storms into my office just now telling me that RiB is "the worst music he's ever heard," "it's just noise," telling me that I'm just "pretending to like it to be like Steve Albini" (???) and bitching about the "Nazi lyrics." Oh, and he didn't like the kick drum sound. Etc etc. Does it piss anyone else here off when you're told that there's no possible way that you could like something, like it's just way outside any realm of the tiniest possibility? I mean, it's the kind of thing my mom used to say about my music. Or, I guess what I mean is: Can music (or art) really be unequivocally bad? Can "bad" be an absolute? Etc.

adam, Sunday, 3 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

one year passes...
In the Nightshade Eclipse by Emperor is the best metal album ever. Certainly the best black metal album, and black metal is the most pure of the metals :P

Brendan Parkin, Friday, 16 January 2004 06:48 (twenty years ago) link

Hahahaha "most pure".

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 16 January 2004 06:58 (twenty years ago) link

I prefer South Of Heaven to Reign In Blood, but it took me hundreds of plays of both to come to that decision. (The thing that swung it in SOH's favor, finally, if anyone's wondering, was Dave Lombardo's kick-drum wind-sprinting on "Silent Scream.") Seasons In The Abyss has plenty of good songs—nine of 'em, in fact. "Dead Skin Mask" is a piece of shit, but everything else on that album is totally crushing.

I couldn't begin to pick a Best Metal Album EVER!. Every time I try, I hear something totally mind-roasting that I've never heard before, or re-hear something I haven't heard in years that completely blows me away. The most recent occurrence of this was Pestilence's Testimony Of The Ancients.

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Friday, 16 January 2004 17:06 (twenty years ago) link

In hindsight, I think I prefer Megadeth's Peace Sells now.

jel -- (jel), Friday, 16 January 2004 17:11 (twenty years ago) link

"Angel of Death", "South of Heaven", and "War Ensemble" have to be 3 of the greatest opening tracks ever recorded in any genre at any time forever and ever. i think.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 16 January 2004 17:15 (twenty years ago) link

Well, this is all very interesting, but you're ALL forgetting one vital piece of information:

"Scenes From The Second Storey" by The God Machine is the greatest metal album ever.

Stupid (Stupid), Friday, 16 January 2004 17:18 (twenty years ago) link

"Raining Blood", "Spill The Blood", and "Seasons in the Abyss" have to be 3 of the greatest closing tracks ever recorded in any genre at any time forever and ever. i think.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 16 January 2004 17:25 (twenty years ago) link

tinny bucket of danny elfman shit. preferable to anthrax but that's not saying much.

bob snoom, Tuesday, 20 January 2004 20:24 (twenty years ago) link

Reign In Blood is great. Quite simply, I think metal with a hardcore influence is better than metal without it. South of heaven and Seasons are both masterpieces but they lost a bit of that hardcore edge. Divine Intervention was defeinitely a return to Reign In Blood's kick-assness but they had left behind that great Slaytanic image of the 80's. Really, all of the 90's and 00's shit has been amazing. I think they're a better band today than they were in '86 but I don't think they'll ever do another "Altar Of Sacrifice" and thats what I think people miss - whether they realize it or not. I am losing my mind waiting for the return of Lombardo on record too! SLAYER!!!

Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 21:45 (twenty years ago) link

Call me old fashioned but I still think Master Of Puppets is the Best Metal Album EVER!

Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 21:50 (twenty years ago) link

I must admit that although I really wanted to hate it, "God Hates Us All" has grown on me a lot. And people, where's the love for "Show No Mercy"? Just as good, no, on most days better than RiB! "Black Magic" (best side B opener ever?), "Evil Has No Boundaries", "Final Command", "Metalstorm/Face The Slayer"...

Siegbran (eofor), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 23:53 (twenty years ago) link

Whoa i've seriously never met ANYONE who likes show no mercy more than reign in blood!! god hates us all does kick ass though.

Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 00:20 (twenty years ago) link

I just love the Judas Priest-meets-Venom approach on "Show No Mercy" (watch Tom go for the high notes!), tons of great riffs and a raw aggression/evil atmosphere - it's a side of Slayer that was sadly completely ditched when they developed their distinct brutal/powerful RiB style (which is great too, don't get me wrong). I'm not that fond of "Hell Awaits" though apart from the title track.

Siegbran (eofor), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 10:12 (twenty years ago) link

I was really happy when I saw them in 2002 (first tour with Dave Lombardo back) and they busted out lots of old classics in the set, like "Die By The Sword" and "The Anti-Christ" and "Evil Has No Boundaries."

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 14:55 (twenty years ago) link

two years pass...
I just love the Judas Priest-meets-Venom approach on "Show No Mercy" (watch Tom go for the high notes!), tons of great riffs and a raw aggression/evil atmosphere - it's a side of Slayer that was sadly completely ditched when they developed their distinct brutal/powerful RiB style (which is great too, don't get me wrong). I'm not that fond of "Hell Awaits" though apart from the title track.

-- Siegbran (siegbra...), January 21st, 2004.

OTM!

how much, latebloomer? (latebloomer), Friday, 29 September 2006 15:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Show No Mercy is my second favorite Slayer, its so fucking awesome.

And this is probably a coincidence, but Tom Araya's vocals on it sound in some places quite similar to those on the Cro-Mags' Age of Quarrel. Something about the harsh yelping quality.

how much, latebloomer? (latebloomer), Friday, 29 September 2006 15:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Hell Awaits is pretty good but it's a very transitional album. It's not as fun as RiB or SNM

how much, latebloomer? (latebloomer), Friday, 29 September 2006 15:10 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't like Hell Awaits much either. Haunting The Chapel & Show No Mercy are both a lot better. Although it's the Reign In Blood-style Slayer that I really love.

Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Friday, 29 September 2006 15:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Seasons in the Abyss 4 life

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 29 September 2006 16:59 (seventeen years ago) link

south of heaven is still my fave. i've listened to it at least 500 times and i never tire of it. then reign. then seasons. not that reign isn't perfect or something. it is.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 29 September 2006 17:11 (seventeen years ago) link

i love the new album. it sounds EXACTLY like a slayer album.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 29 September 2006 17:13 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm listening to Emperor right now!

Young Fresh Danny D (Dan Perry), Friday, 29 September 2006 17:17 (seventeen years ago) link

really which one?

how much, latebloomer? (latebloomer), Friday, 29 September 2006 17:19 (seventeen years ago) link

i have a pretty sweet hell awaits picture disc.

sometimes reign in blood sounds kinda wimpy to me now. the production on all those old thrash rexx seems to thin.

M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 29 September 2006 17:28 (seventeen years ago) link

(xpost) Anthems to the Welkin at Dusk

Young Fresh Danny D (Dan Perry), Friday, 29 September 2006 17:35 (seventeen years ago) link

ten months pass...

my favourite metal album is probably still opeth's 'still life', despite the opeth backlash and all.

'reign in blood' is extremely good though. relentlessly frantic, full of instantly classic riffs, with one of the most magnificent opening tracks on any metal record, period. i can even look past kerry king's tone-deaf solos and the king diamond-esque squeals.

Charlie Howard, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 12:26 (sixteen years ago) link

btw, does anyone else find that the opening scream in 'angel of death' sounds exactly like the start of one of king's dial-up modem guitar solos?

Charlie Howard, Wednesday, 1 August 2007 13:29 (sixteen years ago) link

I <a href=http://www.fastnbulbous.com/best_metal.htm>;concur!</a>

Fastnbulbous, Wednesday, 1 August 2007 16:19 (sixteen years ago) link

I love how the lyric sheet dutifully designates every guitar lead (you know, Solo: Hanneman/Solo: King/Solo: Hanneman etc.); then, at the end of "Raining Blood" credits 'em both with "noise" even tho it'
s just more wang-bar abuse like every other one of their solos!

(Best metal album ever? Sure, why not? On some days, anyway.)

Myonga Vön Bontee, Wednesday, 1 August 2007 23:22 (sixteen years ago) link

dial-up modem guitar solos.
perfect.

m0stlyClean, Wednesday, 1 August 2007 23:40 (sixteen years ago) link

:)

one of the most telling contrasts in soloing styles between the two guitarists occurs on the track 'seasons in the abyss'. king does his unorthodox dial-up modem thing and then hanneman follows it up with a conventional (yet awesome) lesson in metal soloing, complete with tapping and sweeping.

Charlie Howard, Thursday, 2 August 2007 06:15 (sixteen years ago) link

As a 15-year+ Slayer fan, I find it immensly gratifying that people are crapping all over Kerry King, who I was always underwhelmed by from Seasons in the Abyss on to the present day.

Handsome Dan, Thursday, 2 August 2007 06:50 (sixteen years ago) link

yet another thing to admire about this record is that tom araya didn't write any of the lyrics and they're often quite a mouthful. he makes a really noble attempt to fit all the words in, but it's amusing to hear him struggling with the word 'acquisition' on 'raining blood'.

Charlie Howard, Tuesday, 7 August 2007 13:34 (sixteen years ago) link

"As a 15-year+ Slayer fan, I find it immensly gratifying that people are crapping all over Kerry King, who I was always underwhelmed by from Seasons in the Abyss on to the present day"

This is bullshit. I'd rather listen to a King "modem" solo than one of Hammett's sub-Malmsteenesque scale runners. There's more than one way to skin a cat, folks.

Bill Magill, Tuesday, 7 August 2007 13:48 (sixteen years ago) link


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