Velocity Girl - C/D?

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Not sure there's much love here for this sort of indie, but it's fun to test these things innit. I've just decided that the bouncy ¡Simpatico! still sounds pretty good, but VG seem to have been all but erased from history. I guess they disappointed some by progressively tidying up their sound, but on the other hand didn't one of their LPs momentarily rate as Sub Pop's second highest seller behind Bleach? There must be a few copies, and opinions, out there...

What say you?

Nag! Nag! Nag! (Nag! Nag! Nag!), Thursday, 23 June 2005 09:15 (twenty years ago)

i don't think i ever listen to Copacetic once Simpatico came out. they were much better as a pop band than a shoegazing one. Simpatico is great but i adore their third album best of all.

shine headlights on me (electricsound), Thursday, 23 June 2005 10:12 (twenty years ago)

having said that, the forgotten favourite 45 is bleedin' classic, easily one of the greatest indie singles of the 90s.

shine headlights on me (electricsound), Thursday, 23 June 2005 10:12 (twenty years ago)

Right... so, not the Primal Scream b-side then?

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 23 June 2005 10:13 (twenty years ago)

B-side? It was their first single wasn't it? (Much better than the band, anyway.)

Taste the Blood of Scrovula (noodle vague), Thursday, 23 June 2005 10:25 (twenty years ago)

No, I was wrong. But since I can't remember the A-side, let's just say it should've been.

Taste the Blood of Scrovula (noodle vague), Thursday, 23 June 2005 10:26 (twenty years ago)

"Pop Loser," as silly and trite as it is, makes me smile every time.

Jazzbo (jmcgaw), Thursday, 23 June 2005 10:43 (twenty years ago)

i can only remember a couple of their songs, but they were pretty fun.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 23 June 2005 11:00 (twenty years ago)

Wow, I played My Forgotten Favourite at a party a few months ago.

MIS Information (kate), Thursday, 23 June 2005 11:12 (twenty years ago)

They were great. Copacetic was horribly recorded though the songs were pretty strong. One of Bob Weston's earliest production jobs. He's gotten a lot better.

Simpatico took a while to cotton to but once I got used to it I loved it. The last album I listened to once and zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

righteousmaelstrom (righteousmaelstrom), Thursday, 23 June 2005 14:27 (twenty years ago)

The Slumberland singles are the best things they did I think.

Then Simpatico > Copacetic >>>>> the third one.

I sold the 3rd one pretty quickly, I couldn't get into it at all.

Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Thursday, 23 June 2005 14:39 (twenty years ago)

"I don't ask too much
not at all"

yeah they were pretty good on the early slumberland stuff, but after that they never did much for me

rentboy (rentboy), Thursday, 23 June 2005 14:42 (twenty years ago)

My husband has the album, I've never listened to it tho'. Should I?

VegemiteGrrl (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 23 June 2005 15:31 (twenty years ago)

Simpatico, I mean.

VegemiteGrrl (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 23 June 2005 15:31 (twenty years ago)

It's great summer afternoon fare, so I'd say yes.

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 23 June 2005 15:42 (twenty years ago)

oh, hell yeah! That is so true, Johnny.

righteousmaelstrom (righteousmaelstrom), Thursday, 23 June 2005 16:01 (twenty years ago)

They never recaptured the magic of those Slumberland tracks on their Sub-Pop releases.

Copacetic was pretty unlistenable.

Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Thursday, 23 June 2005 16:10 (twenty years ago)

Weren't most of the Slumberland tracks recorded before Sarah Shannon joined the band. If I remember correctly, Bridget Cross was their first singer.

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 23 June 2005 16:18 (twenty years ago)

The Slumberland stuff I have has Sarah Shannon on it.

righteousmaelstrom (righteousmaelstrom), Thursday, 23 June 2005 16:26 (twenty years ago)

Faulty memory. Still, I want to say Cross was in VG at some point early on.

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 23 June 2005 16:35 (twenty years ago)

I saw them open for the Wedding Present -- who they clearly idolized -- a couple of times. The drummer had a weird habit of not being able to keep his tongue in his mouth while playing. Lead singer was cute, if I remember. Can't really remember their music that much, other than a lot of Gedgesque strumming.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 23 June 2005 16:36 (twenty years ago)

Ah ha! From the Slumberland site:

"The tracks from the "I Don't Care If You Go" single are also of great interest. They feature the original Velocity Girl line-up, which sported Bridget Cross (later of Unrest fame) on bass and vocals, plus college friends Berny and John on bass and drums. It's super stuff, and easily recognizable as laying the groundwork for the classic tunes that followed. "

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 23 June 2005 16:37 (twenty years ago)

The Slumberland Comp > Copacetic >>> Simpatico >>>>>>>>> whatever the last one is named. Love the tone and energy of the first two, they got worse as they progressed toward a cleaner indie-pop sound.

Shannon came through about a year ago touring solo material, but I missed her.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Thursday, 23 June 2005 17:52 (twenty years ago)

Her solo album's really good! Not very VG-like - more orchestral & torchy (excepting 1 or 2 meh "rock" tracks).

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 23 June 2005 17:55 (twenty years ago)

Copacetic has the prized style, yeah, but the songwriting on Simpatico is just ridiculously strong, especially through the first half: some of those alternating Archie/Sarah vocal lines are terrifically arranged, terrifically subtle. I usually wind up more impressed by that than the DC-shoegazer style on the earlier stuff; when the two come together I get even happier. I had forgotten that the disappointing last album even existed.

My main memories of seeing them live are that (a) Sarah Shannon seemed like huge tall, and (b) a bunch of kids from the Chicago suburbs had decided to have an alternate prom at their show, so there were teenagers in formalwear all over. Sarah kept telling stories about her awkward prom date with a friend, right up until someone else in the band (can't remember which) ran up to the mic and cut in: "Hold on, I didn't do that."

Upcoming collection of Free Design remixes and covers has Sarah Shannon pairing with Styrofoam to do "I Found Love."

nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 23 June 2005 18:16 (twenty years ago)

The tracks from the "I Don't Care If You Go" single are also of great interest. They feature the original Velocity Girl line-up, which sported Bridget Cross (later of Unrest fame) on bass and vocals

Nice call! Thinking about that now, yeah that is Bridget Cross! She sounds quite a bit different than when she was in Unrest (to these ears).

righteousmaelstrom (righteousmaelstrom), Thursday, 23 June 2005 18:30 (twenty years ago)

NB I thought Pam Berry was the original-original Velocity Girl singer??

nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 23 June 2005 18:31 (twenty years ago)

Another vote here for "Forgotten Favorite" as top early '90s indie single.

BlastsOfStatic (BlastsofStatic), Thursday, 23 June 2005 18:38 (twenty years ago)

I second or third the Slumberland comp recommendation. And the vote for "Forgotten" as top ten indie 90's single.

sleeve (sleeve), Thursday, 23 June 2005 18:48 (twenty years ago)

"Audrey's Eyes" is a super-classic. The reast of their output is good to very good.

Lyra Jane (Lyra Jane), Thursday, 23 June 2005 21:07 (twenty years ago)

I thought Pam Berry was the original singer for every indie pop group ever.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 23 June 2005 21:41 (twenty years ago)

pam was never in VG. pam's first (?) thing was black tambourine.

i honestly don't understand the animosity towards the third album.

shine headlights on me (electricsound), Thursday, 23 June 2005 22:00 (twenty years ago)

i think her first thing was belmondo and then veronica lake. i am completely indifferent to her so i have no idea why i keep that info in my head.

keith m (keithmcl), Friday, 24 June 2005 01:41 (twenty years ago)

black tambourine predates both those by a significant amount

shine headlights on me (electricsound), Friday, 24 June 2005 03:30 (twenty years ago)

Pam Berry did at least record a reasonable rendition of VG's "Crazy Town" as Glo-worm!

Having listened to more during transit today, I'm thinking that Gilded Stars & Zealous Hearts is probably aging better than the sometimes leaden and lumbering Copacetic. Odd that I got little mileage out of it at the time...

Nag! Nag! Nag! (Nag! Nag! Nag!), Friday, 24 June 2005 04:08 (twenty years ago)

i find its possibly-a-little-AOR tendencies extremely appealing but i suppose they could be a turnoff for some.

shine headlights on me (electricsound), Friday, 24 June 2005 04:10 (twenty years ago)

Gilded is actually my #2 VG album, right behind Simpatico.

Copacetic and the 6 Song EP are nice, but I don't spend a lot of time with them.

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Friday, 24 June 2005 04:15 (twenty years ago)

Back when I was still discovering music and just buying things on spec without knowing too much about them I bought Simpatico on a trip to London. Haven't listened to it in years but I remember it being really fun. Seem to remember 'Tripping Wires' being a fave. Never investigated them any further though.

mms (mms), Friday, 24 June 2005 06:48 (twenty years ago)

I only have the six song EP. It's really quite pleasant, but funnily enough I once listened to it twice over in the car with my mother and my former love interest and none of us realised it until "I Don't Care If You Go" started for the third time!

Ian Riese-Moraine eats nation-states for breakfast! (Eastern Mantra), Friday, 24 June 2005 11:15 (twenty years ago)

Calling yourself after a song by another band = DUD
Calling yourself after a song by Primal Scream = the apex of DUDDERY

Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 24 June 2005 11:17 (twenty years ago)

two years pass...

dear freakin' lord sarah shannon's solo stuff is dire

electricsound, Saturday, 22 December 2007 04:07 (eighteen years ago)

true dat.

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 22 December 2007 04:08 (eighteen years ago)

one year passes...

as much as i love this band (which is a lot) i have to say that copacetic is one of the most dreadful sounding albums i own. whoever mixed it should be ashamed.

❝♪♬♩❞ (electricsound), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 12:56 (sixteen years ago)

(i know bob weston recorded it but mixing credits are noticeably absent..)

❝♪♬♩❞ (electricsound), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 12:57 (sixteen years ago)

Copacetic was horribly recorded though the songs were pretty strong. One of Bob Weston's earliest production jobs. He's gotten a lot better.

i note my thoughts are not original

❝♪♬♩❞ (electricsound), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 12:59 (sixteen years ago)

four years pass...

nobody mixed it?

OutdoorFish, Thursday, 11 September 2014 00:17 (eleven years ago)

certainly sounds that way

i've mellowed on that front though

a cheese has occurred (electricsound), Thursday, 11 September 2014 00:36 (eleven years ago)

sounds okay to me

OutdoorFish, Thursday, 11 September 2014 00:37 (eleven years ago)

one year passes...

from wikipedia, "The band started as the duo of Kelly Riles and guitarist/singer Archie Moore (also of Black Tambourine) in 1989 (the two having met at university), initially going under the name The Gotterdemocrats, becoming Velocity Girl with the addition of Brian Nelson (ex-Big Jesus Trashcan, also of Black Tambourine"

oh, that explains why I wanted to listen to Velocity Girl's Copacetic after listening to Black Tambourine.

Also, the production on this album seems pretty great. It's kind of a big part of the appeal for me. If my memory of 20 years ago is correct, its when the production got "better" that I didn't like them nearly as much.

brontosaur, Thursday, 19 May 2016 04:42 (ten years ago)

"sorry again" on the 'better' produced simpatico is an all-time jam

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 20 May 2016 21:00 (ten years ago)

Probably more appropriate in an Unrest thread, but anyway this whole interview, and especially the end, is kind of intense. I wonder how many Vice readers had any idea who she was in the first place. I love Copacetic, but yes the production is often horrible. It varies from song to song, as I listen now. Bridget had a band called The Cloud People in 2014? I liked the Maybe It's Reno album a lot, haven't heard Cloud People (yet).

https://www.vice.com/read/where-bridget-cross-go-v15n5

dlp9001, Friday, 20 May 2016 22:03 (ten years ago)

eight years pass...

Lots of talk about the mixing of the debut album on this thread. Apparently, the band agreed:

https://www.stereogum.com/2267592/velocity-girl-take-another-shot-at-their-debut-album-after-being-disappointed-by-its-mix-for-over-30-years/music/

Listening to the remixed version of 'Audrey's Eyes', it is better. However, it seems the problem may have been how the album was recorded, not the mix or mastering. Nevertheless, I am looking forward to this.

righteousmaelstrom, Thursday, 13 June 2024 22:19 (one year ago)

one month passes...

And said new remixed version out Friday, and I have a review up on Qobuz:

https://www.qobuz.com/au-en/album/ultracopacetic-copacetic-remixed-and-expanded-velocity-girl/voyov2d7s6alb#description

Ned Raggett, Monday, 12 August 2024 20:50 (one year ago)

There are loads of things about the original mix that feel very weirdly balanced, in this woozy vertiginous way — the concepts of "background" and "foreground" get pretty unsettled — but of course it's shoegazey, so I always just appreciated those as really fascinating choices they were making. It'll be fascinating to hear which aspects of that remain and which are being considered correctable errors.

ን (nabisco), Tuesday, 13 August 2024 19:50 (one year ago)


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