C/D: The Rock Snob's Dictionary

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I searched the archives and found nothing on this...

I just heard about this book by David Kamp and Steven Daly.

Anyone check it out? Any thoughts?

PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Thursday, 23 June 2005 21:10 (twenty years ago)

first person to say rockist in this thread gets a punch on the snoz.

Hari A$hur$t (Toaster), Thursday, 23 June 2005 21:18 (twenty years ago)

I bought it last week but have already lost interest.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 23 June 2005 21:20 (twenty years ago)

not a bad read.

The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Thursday, 23 June 2005 21:29 (twenty years ago)

rock is the subject of this book, I presume?

joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Thursday, 23 June 2005 21:50 (twenty years ago)

It's very funny. And it's funny because it's true.

Taylor, Friday, 24 June 2005 01:29 (twenty years ago)

It's not funny ENOUGH, though. Especially considering what a pathetically easy target Rock Snobbery is.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 24 June 2005 01:31 (twenty years ago)

i reviewed it. thought it was a weak and predictable effort. plus, if i remember correctly, they fucked up a black metal entry.

oh man, NPR did a little call-in show w/ them ... you should have heard the callers.

Suzy Creemcheese (SuzyCreemcheese), Friday, 24 June 2005 01:34 (twenty years ago)

"plus, if i remember correctly, they fucked up a black metal entry."

yeah, i was flipping through it at a bookstore and put it back after reading only 2 or 3 entries.

DUD.

latebloomer: We kissy kiss in the rear view (latebloomer), Friday, 24 June 2005 02:12 (twenty years ago)

oh man, NPR did a little call-in show w/ them ... you should have heard the callers.

they keep playing this on my campus/community station and it's really fucking annoying.

La Monte (La Monte), Friday, 24 June 2005 02:15 (twenty years ago)

i'm gonna fish it out here ... maybe post some of the lamer entries.

Suzy Creemcheese (SuzyCreemcheese), Friday, 24 June 2005 02:23 (twenty years ago)

Well, y'all are out of luck b/c I can't find it.

Suzy Creemcheese (SuzyCreemcheese), Friday, 24 June 2005 02:39 (twenty years ago)

so close :(

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Friday, 24 June 2005 02:45 (twenty years ago)

Does it define "roffle" and "teh"? (I still don't know wtf fools are talking about).

Bobby Peru (Bobby Peru), Friday, 24 June 2005 04:35 (twenty years ago)

teh roffle is summit ya cain't parse ez, 'pon first look

Gear! (Ill Cajun Gunsmith) (Gear!), Friday, 24 June 2005 04:38 (twenty years ago)

They do this in the Vanity Fair music issues. It was fun enough without being that good for 2 or 3 pages. I can't imagine it holding my attention for a whole book, cheap in FOPP or not.

mms (mms), Friday, 24 June 2005 06:43 (twenty years ago)

I thought it was very disappointing. great idea, but I dunno, pfff.

StanM (StanM), Friday, 24 June 2005 06:50 (twenty years ago)

some of it isn't funny:

Seminal. Catchall adjective employed by rock writers to describe any group or artist in on a trend too early to sell any records. The Germs were a seminal L.A. punk band, but guitarist Pat Smear didn't realize any riches until he joined Nirvana.

some of it is, well, yeah, so what?

Neo-. Generous rock-critic term for "refried," usually used to elevate knowing hommagistes above the station of mere tribute bands. The Strokes' Room on Fire is a delightful platter of neo-New York Punk.

but most of it is just trying to hard and failing miserably. I mean, what's the point of giving one of the sections the promisingly funny title "The snob cheat sheet for confusing similarities" and then filling it with true but unfunny stuff like:

Bill Frisell is the guitar virtuoso who first made his name in the early eighties as part of New York's avant-jazz scene. Bill Laswell is the bass virtuoso whose early-eighties collaborations with Herbie Hancock (on "Rockit"), David Byrne, and Brian Eno cemented his status as the elder statesman of avant-dance.

?

Get it at your library, read once, return. (there's a couple of things you're going to learn (I didn't know what a Leslie was, and now I do, but it didn't make me a happier person), but that's about it)

StanM (StanM), Friday, 24 June 2005 07:02 (twenty years ago)

What!? They made a mistake?! Gee, I'm glad someone on ILM, the eyes and ears of music's conscience, spotted that. I bet the authors will be cut up that someone saw it. If word gets out they might have to give up their high-paid jobs working for national titles.

It's alright, but nothing will ever supersede 'Great Pop Things', the antidote to all rock's rich tapestry twattery.

snotty moore, Friday, 24 June 2005 07:29 (twenty years ago)

I do think it's a great idea though. GET ONE COMEDY WRITER for the second edition and all could still be okay.

StanM (StanM), Friday, 24 June 2005 07:36 (twenty years ago)

Umm, is it meant to be, ahem, teh funny as opposed to a 'lighyhearted approach to the rock idiom'

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 24 June 2005 10:30 (twenty years ago)

this book sounds like it might be teh sukc.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 24 June 2005 10:33 (twenty years ago)

I only had a quick glance at a friend's copy but their entry for American was amusing, saying the genre can mean anything from obscure field recordings of Kentucky pigfarmers to more polished efforts by "attractive, slightly windchapped young women like Tift Merrit and Laura Cantrell"

Stew (stew s), Friday, 24 June 2005 10:44 (twenty years ago)

Maybe my sense of funny is broken, but I did not suffer from teh roffle (second definition) at all. Great concept and everything, but *le sigh*

StanM (StanM), Friday, 24 June 2005 10:52 (twenty years ago)

that first definition has got to be made up

bujer (jedidiah), Friday, 24 June 2005 11:35 (twenty years ago)

hey fellows, that joke was so roffle inducing, it roffled my waffle!

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 24 June 2005 11:38 (twenty years ago)

WHO TALKS LIKE THAT!!! ?

(hands up!)

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 24 June 2005 11:38 (twenty years ago)

Is there a "Great Pop Things" thread? If not, there should be, since it's hilarious. Langford's the master of the ego deflating beat down.

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Friday, 24 June 2005 12:57 (twenty years ago)

Oh! I get it: teh & roffle don't just SOUND stupid and meaningless! They ARE stupid & meaningless. Now I feel like part of the club. (The Stupid Meaningless Club).

Bobby Peru (Bobby Peru), Friday, 24 June 2005 21:04 (twenty years ago)

If this is the Orange Juice Steven Daly, all is forgiven, and quick

Morley Timmons (Donna Brown), Friday, 24 June 2005 21:08 (twenty years ago)

"Is there a "Great Pop Things" thread? If not, there should be, since it's hilarious. Langford's the master of the ego deflating beat down."

That's a good call actually. A friend works in a bookshop and picked up an GPT anthology that was going to get sent back to the publishers. It's sublime stuff. The Bongo from U2 strips are priceless.

Stew (stew s), Friday, 24 June 2005 23:54 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...
Does anyone still care about this? I finally found the reviewer's copy - here are some selections:

under Rock Snob Hall of Fame (The Unimpeachable Torchbearers of True Rock Snobbery):

Nick Hornby, novelist. For compiling the first comprehensive anthropological study of the Rock Snob (in the form of his novel High Fidelity), for transmuting High Fidelity's success into a second career as genial Snob essayist, for reclassifying mix tapes and "best-of" lists from time-wasting wankery into trenchant forms of self-expression.

Courntey Love, singer-actress-tragedy. For being an indie-rock know-it-all; for fulfilling the fantasy of every torn-stocking goth fat-girl who hung out at the British-import record shop in 1983; for presciently embracing Laurel Canyonism and Fleetwood Mac revivalism on her attempted sellout album, Celebrity Skin; for keeping the flame alive with drug allegations, street hassles, and interviews that namecheck Jim Steinman AND Gang of Four.

Beastie Boys, ageless hip-hop collective. For their impeccable curation of the seventies funk revival, for their diligent exhumation of obscure soul and dub sides, for their namchecks of Lee Dorsey and Lee "Scratch" Perry, for releasing Sean Lennon's solo LP on thier Grand Royal label, for unleashing the "mullet" phenomenon.

Suzy Creemcheese (SuzyCreemcheese), Friday, 5 August 2005 16:11 (twenty years ago)

teh roffle is summit ya cain't parse ez, 'pon first look

And then there's shit I just don't want to parse.

Rob Uptight. (Rob Uptight.), Friday, 5 August 2005 16:25 (twenty years ago)

i reviewed it. thought it was a weak and predictable effort. plus, if i remember correctly, they fucked up a black metal entry.

-- Suzy Creemcheese

Which black metal artist was this? Put a name on the names, for if there is an unacceptable error of course we can create some revenge in their ass.

Janne Karlsson, Saturday, 6 August 2005 00:06 (twenty years ago)

It's not funny ENOUGH, though. Especially considering what a pathetically easy target Rock Snobbery is.

-- Alex in NYC (vassife...), June 24th, 2005.

OTM!

latebloomer: i hate myself and want to fly (latebloomer), Saturday, 6 August 2005 00:24 (twenty years ago)

three months pass...
www.snobsite.com

late adopter, Sunday, 13 November 2005 05:57 (twenty years ago)

The best part about this thread is that the second definition for "roffle" on urbandictionary is now "ass waffle with jizz syrup."

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Sunday, 13 November 2005 19:30 (twenty years ago)


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