Are white people who say "I don't like hip hop" yet listen to it when white people make it really saying "i don't like black people"?

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Has there been a thread on this subject yet? Couldn't find it if there is. I'm not a big fan of race based questions (ie "why don't black people listen to indie rock?") but I have to ask this subsequent to a discussion I had with a friend of mine the other day that bothered me. When hip hop came up in a discussion, this friend of mine said categorically "I don't like hip hop". This surprised me since I know he listens to Beck, Buck 65, Prefuse 73, Beastie Boys, Eminem, etc.... and he'll also listen to groups like TV on the Radio but it struck me that there was something unconsciously racist in the way he dismissed hip hop as a category.

So what gives?

― Jacobo Rock (jacobo rock), Monday, 27 June 2005 17:23 (nineteen years ago)

I remember some early defense of the Beastie Boys back circa pre-License to Ill where several heavies in the Hip Hop community said that the Beasties were cool because they were rapping about stuff they knew about (being drunken jackasses at White Castle, etc.) and, thus, not pretending to be black. Perhaps folks who makes such statements as the one described in the thread title find that they can identify with white rappers (more than Black rappers) because of shared common ground.

Or maybe that's a stack of poorly rationalized crap and they're just thinly-veiled racists.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 27 June 2005 17:29 (nineteen years ago)

It's great that ILM finally has a place to question the motivations of white people that dislike hip-hop.

― Sym Sym (sym), Monday, 27 June 2005 17:30 (nineteen years ago)

there are just as many black drunk jackasses at white castle as white ones!

― monsanto and yanni (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 27 June 2005 17:30 (nineteen years ago)

Black Castle

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 27 June 2005 17:31 (nineteen years ago)

All the artists you mentioned, though, have at a least a nominal "rock" subtext to their work (okay, well maybe not P73).

xxxpost

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Monday, 27 June 2005 17:32 (nineteen years ago)

All the artists you mentioned, though, have at a least a nominal "rock" subtext to their work (okay, well maybe not P73).

Eminem doesn't.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 27 June 2005 17:34 (nineteen years ago)

...or does he? I dunno. I certainly haven't heard it, if so.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 27 June 2005 17:35 (nineteen years ago)

Sing with me, sing for the years.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 27 June 2005 17:35 (nineteen years ago)

Oh whoops. Hahaha.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 27 June 2005 17:36 (nineteen years ago)

Sym,
I'm not trying to generalize. I know plenty of people who don't like hip hop and I wouldn't call them racist - it's just in this case it seemed different. Maybe it is the "rock" subtext or just the context in which they make music makes it easier for the music to be identifiable like Alex in NYC says.

― Jacobo Rock (jacobo rock), Monday, 27 June 2005 17:39 (nineteen years ago)

I AM NOSTALGIC 4 ETHAN TRIPE

― pwner of a lonely heart (pr00de), Monday, 27 June 2005 17:41 (nineteen years ago)

white people who only like white hip-hop is the same as christian people who only listen to christian heavy metal.

― ugly and mean, Monday, 27 June 2005 17:43 (nineteen years ago)

TS: Cypress Hill/Lollapalooza vs. Tribe Called Quest/Lollapalooza

(you can substitute Beastie Boys for Cypress Hill in this scenario)

― PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Monday, 27 June 2005 17:44 (nineteen years ago)

Sing with me, sing for the years.

Besides that, even, most of the tracks Em raps over are really rigid and structured and usually follow a distinct verse/chorus/verse/chorus pattern. Easier to follow for people who are accustomed to listening to rock records all day.

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Monday, 27 June 2005 17:44 (nineteen years ago)

How does having a verse/chorus/verse pattern make Eminem different from say...every other rap artist in extistence?

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 27 June 2005 17:46 (nineteen years ago)

distinct verse/chorus/verse/chorus

http://citypaper.net/articles/071201/mus.ahmir.shtml

"She brings in Rick [Rubin], who you have to remember is the guy who invented the pop rap song. Verse, chorus, verse. Before him, hip-hop tunes were 16 minutes long..."

(there was another article on him written back in 89 that also shed light on this, but I cou;dn't find it today in a pinch)

― PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Monday, 27 June 2005 17:49 (nineteen years ago)

Verse/chorus/verse isn't the part I meant to emphasize. All popular music follows that pattern. But instead of the usually loose flow and unhurried instrumentation of most "black" rap records, Em's stuff is tight and punchy and a closer relative to things you hear on modern rock radio than it is urban formats.

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Monday, 27 June 2005 17:50 (nineteen years ago)

Jacobo it's possible that your friend believes that being able to directly relate to and identify with what the artist is saying is an important factor, perhaps the primary and most significant one, when it comes to their enjoyment and appreciation of music. Consequently they may find that the messages coming from a lot of the more popular and successful black rappers do not appeal to them (at least the surface readings which will seemingly always be ego-centric, self-congratulatory, unapologetic, unabashed, aggressive, hedonistic, even nihilistic at times*), and indeed why should they really? though they may find that they like the beats now and then...

*true with Eminem too of course, and yes i'd be suspicious about anyone who claimed to love Eminem but be dismissing 'black rap' at the same time

basically, KILL THE FOOL

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Monday, 27 June 2005 17:50 (nineteen years ago)

Smells like a big ol' racist to me, Jacobo!

Good sleuthin, man!

― Rob Uptight (Rob Uptight), Monday, 27 June 2005 17:52 (nineteen years ago)

maybe he just prefers the sound of whiny voices?

― m coleman (lovebug starski), Monday, 27 June 2005 17:53 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe he's just a dick.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 27 June 2005 17:57 (nineteen years ago)

xpost
Ask him if he likes Urkel.

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Monday, 27 June 2005 17:57 (nineteen years ago)

If they "don't like hiphop" but are ok with Motown or blues, well then, ask what the fuck that might mean.

― geyser muffler and a quarter (Dave225), Monday, 27 June 2005 17:59 (nineteen years ago)

uh, xpost. Urkel, whatever.

― geyser muffler and a quarter (Dave225), Monday, 27 June 2005 17:59 (nineteen years ago)

Ask him if he likes Hitler.

― PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Monday, 27 June 2005 18:01 (nineteen years ago)

Ask him if he's every listened to Bob Marley with Hitler.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 27 June 2005 18:07 (nineteen years ago)

Ask him how he feels about Costello's Two Little Hitlers. Maybe he's just what ILM call 'an indie corny fuck' (sic).

― PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Monday, 27 June 2005 18:10 (nineteen years ago)

But instead of the usually loose flow and unhurried instrumentation of most "black" rap records

wtf

― Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Monday, 27 June 2005 18:16 (nineteen years ago)

yeah I thought that was wierd!

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 27 June 2005 18:18 (nineteen years ago)

I knew a black girl who hated country. Turned out she was a racist and the cops found 13 dead white girls in her basement.

― Cunga (Cunga), Monday, 27 June 2005 18:23 (nineteen years ago)

hahhaha, yeah, i swear he's a nice guy. Not into Hitler at all. But I think that even after the mainstreamiziation of hip hop over the past ten years, there's still a lot of white people who are put off by music they associate with being too "ghetto" (obviously doesn't matter that Chuck D and others grew up middle class or suburban) in the sense that it is somehow threatening - as opposed to Motown or Blues.

― Jacobo Rock (jacobo rock), Monday, 27 June 2005 18:27 (nineteen years ago)

All the artists you mentioned, though, have at a least a nominal "rock" subtext to their work

as does run-dmc ... and public enemy ... and dmx ... and jay-z ... and outkast ...

― fact checking cuz (fcc), Monday, 27 June 2005 18:34 (nineteen years ago)

Most of my buddies will buy Beck and the Beasties over, to pick two random examples, Jay-Z and 50 Cent. They think they relate more to Beck than to the two black rappers, but they haven't given the matter much thought. The striking grotesqueries in Beck's lyrics have as much to do with my life (or anyone else's) as Jay-Z's hustla jive. And Jay-Z's beats are better. I bring up the matter so often that they think I'm representin' for the PC squad, i.e. "You must listen to more black music."

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 27 June 2005 19:29 (nineteen years ago)

there's more to relating to something than simply lyrical content.

― oops (Oops), Monday, 27 June 2005 19:32 (nineteen years ago)

Beck, despite his grotesqueries, still makes sense as someone who white people may identify with more. Hip-hop = camp for the dude, he writes really bad poetry and mumbles a lot.

― miccio (miccio), Monday, 27 June 2005 19:33 (nineteen years ago)

"my black friends say they like hip hop, but they don't listen to the beastie boys, beck, or prefuse 73. are they really saying they don't like white people? i hope so!"

― oops (Oops), Monday, 27 June 2005 19:33 (nineteen years ago)

"Hip-hop = camp for the dude, he writes really bad poetry and mumbles a lot."

And Conor Oberst?

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 27 June 2005 19:39 (nineteen years ago)

I think one of the major problems I have with so called 'black hip-hop' is how self derogatory it often is. I kinda get tired of hearing 'muther fuckin this, and muther fukin' that,' bleating on about whuping your 'hos and bitches, lets kill some cops, etc. Call me boring but I'd like to hear something deeper going on in the lyrics, something which gets beyond the 'life on the street' schtick. I often like the music though, I just wish the narrative moved on a bit.

― tolstoy (tolstoy), Monday, 27 June 2005 19:43 (nineteen years ago)

dude, you haven't heard enough hip-hop. I hearby direct you to: De La Soul, Tribe Called Qwest, Biggie, DMX, Kanye West, Outkast, Mos Def, Common, and lots more.

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 27 June 2005 19:47 (nineteen years ago)

let's kill some cops.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 27 June 2005 19:49 (nineteen years ago)

tolstoy to blacks: raise yr standards!

haha cuz ya know indie/white hip hop has sooo many different themes!

1) We're not "commercial bling bling" rappers
2) We have feelings
3) Bush sucks
4) The Twin really need to increase their run production if they have any hope of catching the White Sox in the division
5) It sucks that Firefly got cancelled
6) Have you tried that new Coca-Cola Zero? It tastes almost the same!

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 27 June 2005 19:58 (nineteen years ago)

i'm not a fan of the "hos, clothes, and bankrolls" theme and the hyper-machoism, but the manner in which it tends to be criticized ("it's not deep") causes me to want to distance myself from the naysayers even though I agree with them on the basic gripe. (also, "fuck this gangsta shit, i'm gonna rap about some DEEP shit" type thinking almost always produces worse hip hop)

― oops (Oops), Monday, 27 June 2005 20:08 (nineteen years ago)

maybe he just prefers the sound of whiny voices?

He'll love Akon then.

― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Monday, 27 June 2005 20:16 (nineteen years ago)

I often like the music though, I just wish the narrative moved on a bit.

Man, have you heard the narrative in most Rock/Pop? This is not philosophy.

― Taste the Blood of Scrovula (noodle vague), Monday, 27 June 2005 20:20 (nineteen years ago)

Yes, why would you only eat seedless oranges when you don't care about the seeds in yr apples?

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 27 June 2005 20:39 (nineteen years ago)

Funny thing is, most white people don't have too much common ground with Eminem background-wise ... he comes from pretty far down on the socioeconomic ladder.

― Lukas (lukas), Monday, 27 June 2005 20:53 (nineteen years ago)

Funny thing is, most white people don't have too much common ground with Eminem background-wise ... he comes from pretty far down on the socioeconomic ladder.

wtf.

― deej.., Monday, 27 June 2005 20:55 (nineteen years ago)

you mean there's a white guy out there who isn't a millionaire like me???????

― oops (Oops), Monday, 27 June 2005 20:55 (nineteen years ago)

haha.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 27 June 2005 20:56 (nineteen years ago)

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― Momus (Momus), Sunday, 14 May 2006 15:58 (nineteen years ago)

How did this thread get so long without somebody pointing out how AWFUL a song "Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Dah" is? I tried to listen to that WFMU thing and ran away screaming after the third version.

― J (Jay), Sunday, 14 May 2006 18:01 (nineteen years ago)

Also, Momus wins the award for the most overwraught "Nabisco OTM" evah!

― J (Jay), Sunday, 14 May 2006 18:09 (nineteen years ago)

Aww. Me and my compadres at Jacob Gunther Elementary learned "Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Dah" back in the late seventies as part of the music cirriculum, and it was mighty fun to sing.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Sunday, 14 May 2006 18:47 (nineteen years ago)

No one has been intent in this thread with labelling merritt a 'racist.' We're just finding problematic aspects of his approach to the whole issue.

Deej, I'm certain that these "problematic aspects" you speak of have nothing to do with implications of racism. They obviously have to do with... uh... er... gee, what do they have to do with?

That aside, I think what you're trying to say is that the point of the discussion is not to lambaste Merritt for his "racism" per se but to deconstruct the mentality of someone who could say what Merritt has, and can do so without feeling any need for self-censorship and/or political correctness. There seems to be a certain shrill "THINK OF THE CHILDEN!!!" tone to the indignant half of this crowd, but what I haven't heard is one salient argument that clearly elucidates what exactly the problem is with what he said-- in concrete, not abstract, terms.

― punis (punis), Sunday, 14 May 2006 19:46 (nineteen years ago)

Considering Cee-Lo's tone of voice a "more vicious caricatures of African-Americans" than what was going down in the 19th century = problem. That isn't just an aesthetic judgement, d00d, it's a cultural statement as well.

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Sunday, 14 May 2006 19:59 (nineteen years ago)

Considering Cee-Lo's tone of voice a "more vicious caricatures of African-Americans" than what was going down in the 19th century = problem.

Thanks for proving my point.

― punis (punis), Sunday, 14 May 2006 22:07 (nineteen years ago)

Anytime, champ! :-D

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Sunday, 14 May 2006 22:15 (nineteen years ago)

I haven't heard is one salient argument that clearly elucidates what exactly the problem is with what he said-- in concrete, not abstract, terms.

-- punis (ad...), May 14th, 2006.

Upthread Nabisco pretty much zeroed in on the problem. Black artists have raised similar issues about how some popular black entertainers reinforce sterotypes--Little Brother put out an album called the Minstel Show, Chuck D called WB & UPN We Buffoons and the United Plantation of Negroes--but the fact that Merritt picked on Cee Lo, a musician who actively fights aganst such sterotypes, calling his intro an example of minstrelsy, suggests that Merritt is far too tin eared in regards to black culture & entertainment to be commenting on it in the media or that he perceives any sign of "blackness" to equal minstrelsy.

― ramon fernandez (ramon fernandez), Sunday, 14 May 2006 22:55 (nineteen years ago)

there's no one who would take minstelsy at face value anymore, except MAYBE people who are already card-carrying racists-- and even then I'd question it, since "blackness" nowadays is anything but that outdated image from the late 19th and early 20th century. I just don't understand why viewing it with amusement would be anything but a demonstration in appreciating kitsch. Someone explain it.

― punis (punis), Sunday, 14 May 2006 23:15 (nineteen years ago)

Bamboozled to thread, maybe?

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 15 May 2006 00:15 (nineteen years ago)

Can a public comment from Jesse Jackson regarding this thread be far behind?

― Cunga (Cunga), Monday, 15 May 2006 00:19 (nineteen years ago)

>Merritt picked on Cee Lo, a musician who actively fights aganst such sterotypes, calling his intro an example of minstrelsy

Can't both be true?

― pdf (Phil Freeman), Monday, 15 May 2006 01:04 (nineteen years ago)

"but the fact that Merritt picked on Cee Lo, a musician who actively fights aganst such sterotypes, calling his intro an example of minstrelsy, suggests that Merritt is far too tin eared in regards to black culture & entertainment to be commenting on it in the media or that he perceives any sign of "blackness" to equal minstrelsy."

but Merritt was responding to something someone just played for him out of the blue during the course of an interview - it's not like he was writing a piece on it. I think he should have listened to the whole song or several by the same artist, but he was just responding the same way you or I would when someone says, "hey check this out, what's your take ?" He was in this instance overreacting, surely, but from one snap judgment, and an avowed dislike of contemp hip-hop in general, to charges of racism and visceral rejection of "blackness" or whatever is going too far.

― timmy tannin (pompous), Monday, 15 May 2006 01:21 (nineteen years ago)

Yes, it probably is going too far but that's the position Merritt put himself in by preemptively running off at the mouth. The WMDs were not to be found in Cee Lo's song.

― ramon fernandez (ramon fernandez), Monday, 15 May 2006 02:50 (nineteen years ago)

That said, I never wanted to get involved in an "OMG Racist!" debate about Merritt, who I do not believe is a racist, but rather an opinionated fellow who says in front of journalists what he'd say to friends in a bar. However, I think we've all given Mr. Merritt more benefit of the doubt than he did to Cee Lo, and that particular comment in the Salon piece was, frankly, cruel and disgusting.

― ramon fernandez (ramon fernandez), Monday, 15 May 2006 04:06 (nineteen years ago)

Nobody wants this thread to continue, I know, but I wanted to point out an angle no one's brought up yet - Stephin Merritt's white-rasta Virgin-Islands-folksinger dad, Scott Fagan. Discussion here:

http://www.zoilus.com/documents/in_depth/2006/000761.php

― carl w (carl w), Monday, 15 May 2006 21:46 (nineteen years ago)

hmmm. very interesting.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 15 May 2006 21:56 (nineteen years ago)

that's very strange footnote.

― punis (punis), Monday, 15 May 2006 22:13 (nineteen years ago)

Thanks, Carl - fascinating.

― Eazy (Eazy), Monday, 15 May 2006 23:01 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.hiphopstore.ch/images/goodiemob_onemonkeydontstop.jpg

Discus.

― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 00:36 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.unf.edu/classes/freshmancore/core1images/discus.jpg

― Dr. Rodney's Original Savannah Band (R. J. Greene), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 01:59 (nineteen years ago)

I found it amusing that when that album came out, the other members of Goodie Mob stuck to claims that the title, cover, etc., were not digs at Cee-Lo.

― Dr. Rodney's Original Savannah Band (R. J. Greene), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 02:01 (nineteen years ago)

'its a composite that refers to lots of monkeys... cee-lo could be one of the monkeys...'

― and what (ooo), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 02:03 (nineteen years ago)

I wanna see that chimpanzee square off against the horse from The Notorious Byrd Brothers.

― Stupornaut (natepatrin), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 04:03 (nineteen years ago)

two years pass...

http://www.theroot.com/blogs/dig/joaquin-phoenix-rap-career-rumored-be-bull

Here's my question: why do people continue to use black culture as a place to play and get their kicks? There are some serious hip hop artists out there [Lupe Fiasco, etc], plunging deep into their souls and culture, posing questions about our times, and helping reshape the consciousness of a generation. Even the so-called "bling-rappers" are attempting to articulate the reality or pursuit of a consumer-rich life. But some whites [and others] think it's cool-beans to mock the art form by placing themselves in it and showing the world how horribly they understand or absorb it. Who cares! Why is there a platform for this? Why do some whites continue to think mocking blackness is a way to make a buck or get attention? I know this is a bit extreme, maybe, but it's a form of blackface. Yeh, I said it. Blackface. If the rumor is true [and I'm sure it is] I'm disappointed in Joaquin. Here's some advice for Joaquin and others like him: Play somewhere else! Blackface is passe!

― and what, Friday, 30 January 2009 15:52 (sixteen years ago)

[Lupe Fiasco, etc] solid username material

― bnw, Friday, 30 January 2009 16:10 (sixteen years ago)

Has there been a thread on this subject yet?

― bnw, Friday, 30 January 2009 16:12 (sixteen years ago)

i thought the beat on that one joaquin joint was aight

― crackers is biters (M@tt He1ges0n), Friday, 30 January 2009 16:27 (sixteen years ago)

some white people might be saying that. or they might just be more receptive something that is more in tune with white culture. ie. eminem as opposed to say, redman or whoever.

― uk grime faggot (titchyschneiderMk2), Friday, 30 January 2009 17:06 (sixteen years ago)

― Dr. Rodney's Original Savannah Band (R. J. Greene),

― better than 10 superbowls! (PappaWheelie V), Friday, 30 January 2009 17:07 (sixteen years ago)

If I identify with Redman moreso than Eminem, does that mean I am black?

― The Reverend, Saturday, 31 January 2009 03:56 (sixteen years ago)

"plunging deep into their souls and culture"

― nicky lo-fi, Saturday, 31 January 2009 05:22 (sixteen years ago)

back before I registered here I would read threads like this all the way through and wonder what I would say if given the opportunity.

― james k polk, Saturday, 31 January 2009 05:43 (sixteen years ago)

"If I identify with Redman moreso than Eminem, does that mean I am black?"

im not sure im too concerned. either way, you cant overlook the fact that eminems 'white' take on rap is what got him over to so many people who probably wouldnt like redman.

― p-noid (titchyschneiderMk2), Sunday, 1 February 2009 11:16 (sixteen years ago)

now is your chance, james k polk

― dugong.jpg (jabba hands), Sunday, 1 February 2009 11:27 (sixteen years ago)

I have never met one of these people, have you?

― thirdalternative, Sunday, 1 February 2009 14:58 (sixteen years ago)

Does Redman still live in that duplex with his cousins crashing on the first floor and the money jar to buy groceries with?

― Philip Nunez, Sunday, 1 February 2009 18:18 (sixteen years ago)

There's much more to Beck and TV On The Radio musically than just hip-hop (I mean, hip-hop is just one out of several influences), but white people who dislike rap and are heavily into Eminem and Beastie Boys you may wonder about.

― Geir Hongro, Sunday, 1 February 2009 22:13 (sixteen years ago)

http://i43.tinypic.com/29pbyuo.jpg

― TACO BIZZLE (The Reverend), Sunday, 1 February 2009 22:21 (sixteen years ago)

two years pass...

http://mikedoesthings.com/?attachment_id=45

― nakhchivan, Monday, 1 August 2011 02:45 (thirteen years ago)

one month passes...

irish

potato originated in Peru fyi

fuckin white people...

― I saw Mike Love walk by a computer once (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 15 September 2011 22:55 (Yesterday)

― diouf est le papa du foot galsen merde lè haters (nakhchivan), Thursday, 15 September 2011 23:48 (thirteen years ago)

White people even say, "Pete Rock is bitchin"

Like Tito, white kids think I'm neato

(J Ro on "Pass Out")

any more of these?

― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 16 September 2011 20:47 (thirteen years ago)

his forte causes caucasians to say

― symsymsym, Saturday, 17 September 2011 03:56 (thirteen years ago)

it comes down to how much people associate a group's image with whether they like them or not

i don't wanna say i'm "above image", but i can succesfully ignore a lot of what a band/group/whatever "stands for" and appreciate them on a musical level. dudes who only listen to beastie boys still prolly can't shake this.

― Hullo, I'm Jon Moss (kelpolaris), Sunday, 18 September 2011 05:15 (thirteen years ago)

my guess is beastie boys-only fans prefer the music from their more boorish days, so problematic image doesn't seem a likely culprit.

― Philip Nunez, Sunday, 18 September 2011 05:24 (thirteen years ago)

two weeks pass...

"to white boys I'm rad"

--Pismo, "Artform"

― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 7 October 2011 18:01 (thirteen years ago)

i dont think there's anything wrong with liking the Beasties but not really being a hip-hop fan - the Beasties aren't really like anyone else out there

― frogbs, Friday, 7 October 2011 18:23 (thirteen years ago)

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Rafaua3D__w/Td8Uzr3XPSI/AAAAAAAAEYg/0lcWqQvG4F0/s1600/thinking+frog.jpg

― Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, 7 October 2011 18:26 (thirteen years ago)

lol

― unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 7 October 2011 19:59 (thirteen years ago)

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