Jay-Z hails file-sharing decision

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Music stars including rapper Jay-Z and singer Sheryl Crow have welcomed a court ruling allowing record companies to sue illegal file-sharing firms.

Jay-Z called the US Supreme Court's decision a "great victory" for those who "make their living through the creative process".

The surprise ruling could start a legal assault on the creators of file-sharing networks such as Morpheus.

But some artists said it could stifle their online career development.

Legal motion

Eagles star Don Henley, president and co-founder of the Recording Artists Coalition, said that file-sharers make millions in adverstising revenue but give nothing to artists.

Henley and 53 other artists - including Tom Jones, Bonnie Raitt and the Dixie Chicks - signed a legal motion in support of record companies.

Raitt said: "We fully embrace P2P technology. But artists must have a choice between systems offering music for free and systems that pay us."

Natalie Maines of the Dixie Chicks said the ruling would give fans easier access to "legitimate sources of music".

But singer-songwriter Janis Ian said the move would make it harder for new bands to gain a foothold in the industry.

"This is going to cut off a lot of avenues, especially for start-up bands," she said.

The singer does not use using file-sharing software to circulate her music, but gives away some music free on her website.

― George Watson (Geordie Watson), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 20:50 (twenty years ago)

Why does Jay-Z care about making money from album sales?

I'm sure Def Scam sucks up the lion's share of the money that's being "stolen" from him. His fortune is from clothing and touring and ads. You can't download a Roc-A-Wear hoodie, homeboy.

― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 20:56 (twenty years ago)

Why does Jay-Z care about making money from album sales?

You might want to check what one of his current job titles is.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 20:59 (twenty years ago)

all my jay z albums are downloads. take that jay z!

― kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 21:04 (twenty years ago)

I also hail the file sharing decision. *ducks*

― Another Allnighter (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 21:06 (twenty years ago)

Why does Jay-Z care about making money from album sales?

yep, these music artists are sure kooky, wanting to make money from albums sales!

and Ned OTM...Jigga's an exec nowadays.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 21:07 (twenty years ago)

You might want to check what one of his current job titles is.

Doop! Forgot about that.

Did I say Jay-Z? I meant Sheryl Crow.

― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 21:07 (twenty years ago)

GET A JOB, FREELOADERS

― Another Allnighter (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 21:09 (twenty years ago)

file-sharers make millions in adverstising revenue but give nothing to artists.

It's not like the RIAA would leave Grokster alone if they handed the ad money over.

― Sym Sym (sym), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 21:09 (twenty years ago)

"file-sharers make millions in adverstising revenue but give nothing to artists."

Somehow I don't think this is true.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 21:10 (twenty years ago)

I don't understand how P2P supposedly helps "new artists." No one's going to go looking for your shit on Soulseek unless they already know who you are. And bands that want to make their mp3s available can do so on their website, on myspace, etc.

― Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 21:12 (twenty years ago)

I'd totally buy a Sheryl Crow hoodie.

I've always wondered....how DO the filesharing companies make money?

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 21:14 (twenty years ago)

Most of them don't.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 21:15 (twenty years ago)

Look, another p2p thread! We should debate the ethics of it.

― PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 21:17 (twenty years ago)

hmm...are they just like hacker dudes or are they actual corporations (just money losing corporations...)?

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 21:17 (twenty years ago)

"I don't understand how P2P supposedly helps "new artists.""

You can't comprehend why people might want to actually listen to a someone's music before they buy their album?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 21:18 (twenty years ago)

I bet it was Geir downloading all those Jay-Z albums that pushed Hove over (Hover) the edge.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 21:19 (twenty years ago)

I think most are the former now.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 21:19 (twenty years ago)

I wonder how many new fans The Grey Album made Jay-Z?

Here in the UK, the only thing we heard of his was Hard Knock Life, which didn't endear me too much to him. Since The Grey Album, I've got The Blueprint and The Black Album.
Hmm? HMM? Take that, Jay-Z. File sharing MADE you money!

― Magnakai (Magnakai), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 01:14 (twenty years ago)

"I don't understand how P2P supposedly helps "new artists.""

You can't comprehend why people might want to actually listen to a someone's music before they buy their album?

-- Alex in SF (clobberthesauru...), June 28th, 2005.

Right, which they can do 99% of the time just by going to the artist's website.

― Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 01:30 (twenty years ago)

Hahaha. Like hell you can.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 01:35 (twenty years ago)

Can you give me five examples of artists where you CAN'T do this?

― Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 01:39 (twenty years ago)

Um every grime MC bar two or three, every baile funk act, most neo-ragga-jungle acts (actually they seem to have gotten better at this, but most of that's recent), baltimore breakbeat, etc. So basically any and everything not released by a major label. Is that enough or would you like some specifics examples of people I've heard about but wouldn't have gotten to hear if it wasn't for P2P or mp3 blogs?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 01:56 (twenty years ago)

What fantasy land do you live in where every artist has a website with sound samples prior to the release of their record?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 01:58 (twenty years ago)

1) Why does it need to be out prior to the release of the record?

2) If the argument is that it helps the artists, then it should be in the artist's best interest to put samples on the web, which, by the way, you can now do for free with services like Myspace. If the artist doesn't feel the need or desire to do this or doesn't think it benefits them, isn't that their perogative?

― Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 02:01 (twenty years ago)

Sure, but just because they don't do it or can't afford to or doesn't think it will benefit doesn't mean it won't benefit them. And there are plenty of instances where the hype generated by mp3 trading has pretty obviously benefited acts.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 02:04 (twenty years ago)

I've gone to many many shows and bought many many albums I wouldn't have otherwise because I liked what I heard from certain artists' output(in most cases full albums or at least songs, I don't do lameass amazon-style samples they just frustrate me). Music nerd that I am and I don't have time to crawl around to 100 different websites(of bands I've barely heard of) tracking down whatever scraps the artist is/able willing to provide in order to DO THEM THE FAVOR of exposing myself to their music. Maybe they'd rather I went through the pre-p2p channels where I got around to hearing them a few years after they dropped their album and a few years after they disbanded cause nobody gave a fuck and lined their pockets w/ ticket sales and merch when it mattered.
I mean, I don't have any illusions about the p2p public-at-large being anywhere near as conscientious as I purport to be but like Alex is trying to say, benefit is benefit, and more importantly, I truly believe that just around the corner there is a much more efficient and equitable marketing model to be gleaned out of these technologies(hint: it don't look like 99 cents a fucking tune) which the corporate sabre-rattling is (consciously on the part of the industry, shortsightedly on the part of many of these "made" artists) obscuring that fact quite nicely.

― tremendoid (tremendoid), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 05:34 (twenty years ago)

The people who were for this were Crow, the Dixie Chicks and Don Henley. The people against it were Brian Eno and Chuck D. In a perfect world the former would be begging people to listen to their records.

― Cunga (Cunga), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 06:59 (twenty years ago)

From a legal standpoint I think this was way off as p2p services are no more responsible for the things being done with them than a VCR company was for people taping the movie of the week. Should they have ruled against VCR companies back in the 80's?

P2P makes it so that the only thing separating someone from listening to something they wouldn't normally listen to is time. Does that sometimes result in things being downloaded without proper compensation? Yes. Should something be done about that? Yes. But does that mean that the artist would've been compensated if it HAD NOT BEEN FOR THE INTERNETS??! Not at all. People are more likely to experiment when they don't face consequences for their actions, especially financial consequences.

― Cunga (Cunga), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 07:18 (twenty years ago)

Is it just the billionaires complaining about this or has any journalist talked to the unsigned/struggling/dropped artists?

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 08:00 (twenty years ago)

Journalists would rather talk to famous people than 'losers'...

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 08:05 (twenty years ago)

How does SoulSeek stay under the radar on these things? Among online people I know it's the only file sharing service, but you never see it referenced in articles etc., and when I chat with someone who is not fanatical about music, they've never heard of it. Weird.

― Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 09:50 (twenty years ago)

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"shhuuuuttt uppppp!"

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 09:57 (twenty years ago)

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