What's up with Bono?

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Who saw the Superbowl performance? Thoughts?

My pa called me and said "Well now, that U2 band are pretty good, but I always thought they were Irish..."

I did too...

cybele, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

.. he's a cock?

jk, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

That was the most self-aggrandizing, tasteless display I've ever seen. I've always been something of a closet U2 fan, but I just wanted to leap through the screen and repeatedly punch Bono in the face. It was horribly shameless, tacky, and inappropriate, PLUS Bono was so hoarse that the actual performance sucked. About the only good thing I have to say about it is that the Edge's jangly guitar sounds make me happy. Beyond that, FUCK OFF U2.

Dan Perry, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

disgust was pretty much the first thing that I felt...

cybele, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Hang on! What happened?

DG, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

What is up with Bono these days anyhow? I didn't see the Superbowl fiasco, whatever it may have been, but I was listening to the CBC news the other day, and there was all this talk about debt relief, and the newscasters were dropping the name Bono in with all of these other major political players, and I was especially taken aback when they announced the Bono had a private meeting with Jean Chretien. I wondered if anyone else found that as surreal as I did.

Sean Carruthers, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

DG: U2 played "Where The Streets Have No Name" during the half-time of the Superbowl yesterday. As they played, the names of the people killed in the WTC & Pentagon Attacks scrolled by, projected on a screen behind them. As the song ended, Bono pulled open his jacket to reveal an American flag sewn into the lining to massive cheers from the already deliriously happy audience. It didn't work on any level, as a tribute or a gesture of friendship towards the US or whatever it was supposed to mean. Paul "All You Need Is Love" McCartney performed his Richie Havens/Beastie Boys medley before the game too.

fritz, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I saw that on the CBC too...what is this man doing?? Who is he?

cybele, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I've always thought U2 were a total sham anyway, and to see his smug mug smirking above the faux wave-your-hands-in-the-air crowd theatrics was to calcify all these thoughts forever... to anyone who thougth that they were the most 'important' band on the planet, you've been had.

Andy, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I think he's gunning for the job of Secretary General of the United Nations.

Sean Carruthers, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

He's already got Bob Geldoff's job, now he wants the Pope's. And he would do a good job of it, by McPhisto!

Momus, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Did anybody see Sir Paul McCartney singing "Hard Day's Night" with Fox's Terry Bradshaw (who knew about two of the words)?... what the hell was that?

Andy, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

How about when Sir Paul said that he and Bono were at the Superbowl in order to "represent the rest of the world." Oh the multiculturalism...

cybele, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Whoops, I meant to say U2, but it seems that Bono has pretty much taken over as only a despotic front man can...the rest of the band seems to fade into the distance.

cybele, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Only the drummer really wore the pensive expression of "What the fuck am I doing here?" Then he remembered his tax burden, and it all became clear...

Andy, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

My immediate thoughts:
"You see,
You're the kind of person folks don't like to be around
You make them feel uneasy when you say something profound
If you look close enough I'm sure the reason can be found

You're the man with the head of an ass
You're the man with the head of an ass
You're the man with the head of an ass
That's crass "

Dave225, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Is it just me - but increasingly as the years roll on Bono looks more slimey, those dark glasses - hiding a wicked truth? - that maybe he is infact a lizard alien ala that film series V, I just want someone to rip his skin open - to unveil the truth that he is a slimey LIZARD.

DJ Martian, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Don't say it! David Icke will be vindicated.

So supposedly he's flying off with Treasury Secretary O'Neill to Africa to talk about things. It almost sounds like a romantic honeymoon! "So, tell me about these sexy songs of yours..."

Ned Raggett, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

My gawd, I didn't see ye olde superbowl as I'm living in the UK, but that U2 performance sounds like something out of The Simpsons. Might as well have made a speech about how when he became Miss America he wanted to feed all the starving children in the world, too.

laurie, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Oh, give him time.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

AAAAARGH. The more I think about it, the more I utterly loathe everyone involved with that halftime show. I actively hope e-Trade falls into the ocean.

Dan Perry, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I know that it should be obvious that lots of Americans felt the way you did, Dan, but it's really nice to hear it. Watching from north of the border, the whole spectacle of the pregame blitz & the halftime show along with Bush's "The Mighty United States" comments the other day - it was a little scary.

fritz, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Sports and Music shouldn't have anything to do with each other.

Alex in NYC, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Newsflash: New Year's Day, 2117AD
Bono Vox, currently serving as Secretary General of the United Nations, Pope, President of the United States (exempted from the restriction of having to actually be a US citizen, following his outstanding contributions to the art of US flag-waving), and friend to the trillions of downtrodden worldwide, today announced that something would, in fact, change on New Year's Day.

"As of midnight, Greenwich time, I am hereby placing the Earth under my complete control. All this time you thought I was a wonderful humanitarian, talking with heads of state, really I was learning how it worked from the inside. My forces are now already in place at all military locations, and all of the heads of state have been toppled and replaced by my roadies. You will all bow to me! But first, I'd like to play you a little number I wrote in a hotel room in New York City. Hit it, Edge..."

Sean Carruthers, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The more I think about it, the more I utterly loathe everyone involved with that halftime show.

This is one big reason why I didn't bother watching the game at all, I didn't want all the attendant smarm. Logically, the Super Bowl I had the least interest in ever becomes the most exciting one in years!

Ned Raggett, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Yeah, I can't really complain about the game at all... I won $40, and it was definitely the most exciting Superbowl in years. It was just the treacly half-time crap that ruined it... I wish it'd been Christina Aquilera or somebody, at least that would be eye-candy...

Andy, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I thought it was by far the most interesting and solid Super Bowl performance I've ever seen. (Not like there's much competition.) The scrolling names of victims is something U2 used in their NYC show after 9/11, and possibly in others as well. And considering the halftime show was billed as a tribute to the victims of 9/11, it wasn't exactly out of place. The band sounded strong. And actually played live. And little Bono stirred up the crowd. Good stuff, minus the coat liner bit.

Being cynical = yawn. Bashing Bono = double yawn. Much more offensive = Drug Council ads equating buying drugs with funding terrorism.

bnw, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Their bass player is starting to look a lot like Phil Lesh. I can't be the only one to have noticed.

dan, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I do admire Bono's efforts for debt relief. Now if only he would put U2 back into the Performing Rights Society, which he pulled out of because it distributes some of each band's publishing royalties to writers who earn less.

Momus, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

it was your standard made-for-TV mega event, with a giant stage for bono to run around on and pull cheezy rock star moves. I think they were actually playing the music though, so give them points for that. Also, are taxes really a "burden?"

g, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I thought it was by far the most interesting and solid Super Bowl performance I've ever seen. (Not like there's much competition.)

This boggles my mind.

The scrolling names of victims is something U2 used in their NYC show after 9/11, and possibly in others as well. And considering the halftime show was billed as a tribute to the victims of 9/11, it wasn't exactly out of place.

Actually, it was completely out of place. I didn't know they'd done the scrolling names before, but that doesn't make me loathe it any less. If anything, I'm even more irritated; I find the entire idea to be sensationalistic without any scrap of compassion or feeling for the families/friends who actually lost people in that tragedy. The entire time I was watching it, I kept thinking about two women I know who were directly affected by this (one's husband was on one of the planes; the other's father was in the WTC and on the phone with her shortly before the building collapsed) and how unbelievably tacky and offensive the entire spectacle was. On top of this, they performed "Where The Streets Have No Name". I can't think of a less-inappropriate song for U2 to have performed. They've got a big scrolling list of all thepeople who died in a terrorist attack while singing a song about burying your head in the sand so that your problems can't hurt you. Um, WHAT?

The band sounded strong. And actually played live. And little Bono stirred up the crowd.

The drums sounded horrible. Bono was a raspy, horrid mess and spent too much time sprinting around the stage grandstanding and not enough time worrying about his breath support. The only good thing about the entire performance, as I said before, was The Edge.

Being cynical = yawn. Bashing Bono = double yawn. Much more offensive = Drug Council ads equating buying drugs with funding terrorism.

The fact that those Drug Council ads were also offensive doesn't diminish the awful spectacle of that halftime show.

Dan Perry, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Bono Vox, currently serving as Secretary General of the United Nations, Pope, President of the United States and friend to the trillions of downtrodden worldwide

You forgot 'High Lord of Darkness, the Prince McPhisto', 'Geldoff General' and 'Muse to Lord Rushdie', as well as other honorary titles like 'Mother Evita Teresa' and 'Defender of the Hello! magazine home photo album'.

Momus, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

On another mailing list somebody posted a news report about his hopping from summits to Super Bowls, and I appended a note saying he would then be opening up an orphanage in Tierra del Fuego, nailing himself up in Burundi, then saving the moon from aliens.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

They've got a big scrolling list of all thepeople who died in a terrorist attack while singing a song about burying your head in the sand so that your problems can't hurt you. Um, WHAT?

Further proof that nobody listens for lyrics, see. It's 'feel good classic rock' now -- and U2 knows their market.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

You forgot 'High Lord of Darkness, the Prince McPhisto', 'Geldoff General' and 'Muse to Lord Rushdie', as well as other honorary titles like 'Mother Evita Teresa' and 'Defender of the Hello! magazine home photo album'.
Naturally. These things were edited out in the interest of space, because they were all taken as given. As well as the title of "Editor Emeritus of Utne Reader".

Sean Carruthers, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Bono pulled open his jacket to reveal an American flag sewn into the lining to massive cheers from the already deliriously happy audience.
Does this mean that Lee Greenwood and Hank Williams Jr have to go around wearing Irish flags and pretending to be Irish?
Hey! Theres an idea...an International Pompous Asshole Exchange Plan!
We can swap David Lee Roth for Stephen Patrick Morrissey!

Lord Custos, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Hey! Theres an idea...an International Pompous Asshole Exchange Plan!
We can swap David Lee Roth for Stephen Patrick Morrissey!


That's the beauty of them being international assholes... The world can share them. So we can have Morrissey, Bono AND David Lee.

Dave225, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

less-inappropriate

My self-righteous ire makes me incoherent. That should have said "less appropriate" or "more inappropriate". How that HYPHEN got in there, I can only guess.

Dan Perry, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Bono...spent too much time sprinting around the stage grandstanding...
Well, all the 60's kids have Mick Jagger to look at and flinch in embarassed disgust at. In 2020, all the 80's kids will all see Bono parading around with a leather colostomy bag acting like an utter freak and even his staunchest fans will have an uncontrollable urge to pelt him with rotten fruit.
(And the non-fans are saying to themselves "...and this is different then right how...in which way, pray tell?")

Bono was a raspy, horrid mess and spent too much time sprinting around the stage grandstanding and not enough time worrying about his breath support Yeah. Thats Jagger all right.

Lord Custos, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I haf realised something horrible: who will be the first band to play off-planet

You KNOW thE answer!!

SAVE THE MOON! SAVE THE MOON! SAVE THE MOON! SAVE THE MOON! SAVE THE MOON! SAVE THE MOON! SAVE THE MOON! SAVE THE MOON! SAVE THE MOON! SAVE THE MOON! SAVE THE MOON! SAVE THE MOON! SAVE THE MOON! SAVE THE MOON! SAVE THE MOON! SAVE THE MOON!

mark s, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

If they go to the Moon to play, do we have to bring them back?

Dan Perry, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I didn't catch the performance. I was too busy laughing at Fear Factor: Playboy Playmate Edition.

Brock K, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The starving people of Africa hate you, Brock.

Momus, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I wonder if Bono's frustration with people's indifference to his causes will make him as sarcastic and bitter as Bob Geldof who wrote 'The Great Song Of Indifference':

I dont care if the Third World fries
Its hotter there I'm not surprised
baby I can watch whole nations die
And I dont care at all

Actually it was a pretty good song, with some nice dancing in the video and some hot fiddling (while Rome burned).

Momus, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The game was good.

The less I see of Bono mugging and being "helpful" and "considerate" in regards to world affairs, the easier it is to appreciate U2's particular MUSICAL charms.

David Raposa, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

the easier it is to appreciate U2's particular MUSICAL charms

*scratches head*

Ned Raggett, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

But can I ask, David, if Bono's involvement in the issue of world debt has made you more aware of the problems of debt relief than you would otherwise have been?

Even if the answer to that is 'no', and even if you're no more or less likely to vote for a politician who endorses debt relief as a result (I don't recall it being a big issue at the last presidential election), I think Bono's involvement might scare some politicians into action with the illusion that there is an 'army' of rock fans behind him, and that Bono might, at the very least, be putting the issue onto the agenda in the public mind. Are we right to lampoon him for that?

I take the opposite view to David here; in my mind the whole musical output of U2 is disposable, but Bono's political work (which depends on the public platform the less-than-compelling music has given him) is urgent and key.

(I would also tend to see U2 as a mere pretext for keeping Brian Eno in gin and mink.)

Momus, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Are we right to lampoon him for that?

I actually have to agree here. Suspicious as I am of his motives sometimes, he actually seems to be persistent on this point and getting somewhere with it as well, even if it's only a matter of agendas. But better some talk than none -- and he's obviously aware of the perceived problem of dealing with 'suits,' even if he beats that point into the ground.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I just have to bring up those Drug Council Ads again 'cause like I totally killed a judge when I did those lines this weekend. And I didn't even know it. Well, I'm scared straight now.

Alex in SF, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Did anyone else notice that the Edge seems to be in pretty great shape for being rather, um, old?

Jordan, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

If you enjoyed Bono, the terrorists have already won.

goeff, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I agree with virtually everything BNW said earlier in the thread. I'm not much of a U2 fan, but it was a stirring performance. Being cynical=yawn.

Mark M, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I'm glad other people found those anti-drug ads horribly offensive. That was the most tasteless fucking thing I've ever seen.

I don't have a problem with the U2 performance but then again I wasn't playing attention.

I won $240 and my girlfriend won $500, we're quite excited.

Ally, Tuesday, 5 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

it was a stirring performance

So is well made fried rice.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 5 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

This boggles my mind.

Huh? Did I miss some great super bowl performances in the past? The whole game, commercials included, was saturated with 9/11 and patriotism. Given that, the list of victims didn't seem out of place.

They've got a big scrolling list of all thepeople who died in a terrorist attack while singing a song about burying your head in the sand so that your problems can't hurt you. Um, WHAT?

I don't know, hiding your head in the sand, doesn't seem that far fetched a reaction to horrible events. Lyrics are typically so vague they can be twisted into any meaning the listener chooses. And a raspy Bono sounded great to me. Sorry, Dan, I enjoyed it.

bnw, Tuesday, 5 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

See, bnw, if the whole thing was saturated with 9/11 stuff, that just illustrates to me how much of a farce it was. A thing like the superbowl, with all its Disney plastic cheerleader happymeal "attitude," is a mockery of itself. Like i said before: it sounds like a Simpsons joke. Over the top, crude, marketed directly at places like Wisconsin, it just makes me want to barf. The Bono stuff was just the mickey mouse ears on top of it all--it's all ridiculous.

Don't get me wrong--I love Wisconsin. I'm practically from there.

laurie, Tuesday, 5 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Sun Ra once said that his band played on the Moon in 1954. AND CAN ANYONE PROVE THEY DIDN'T?

(though not as good as NME interview, mid '80s: "The good thing about coming from Saturn is that you never have to sleep and er um zzzzzzzz...")

Terry Shannon, Tuesday, 5 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Yeah, I was at that Gig! It was a SubGenious Cotillion, and Doktors for Bob opened for the Sun Ra Arkestra. Barnes & Barnes played on the smaller side stage, with Billy Mumy in his 'Lennier' get-up. It was *cough* out of this world!

Lord Custos, Tuesday, 5 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Huh? Did I miss some great super bowl performances in the past?

Superbowl performances which were better than the U2 performance:


XXXIII - Stevie Wonder/Gloria Estefan/Big Bad Voodoo Daddy/tap dancer Savion Glover
XXXII - Boyz II Men/Smokey Robinson/Martha Reeves/Temptations/Queen Latifah
XXX - Diana Ross (THIS was tacky spectacle done right)

These are the ones I have a clear memory of. I never used to watch the halftime show.

The whole game, commercials included, was saturated with 9/11 and patriotism. Given that, the list of victims didn't seem out of place.

Displaying the list of victims would not have been out of place had they done something that actually focused on the victims. As it was, the entire thing was about Bono running around sounding out of breath singing a wildly inappropriate song while the crowd went mad for him and, oh yeah, some people died or something. I mean, even the super-schmaltzy Budweiser ad at least had its mascots pay respect to the tragedy rather than using it solely to up their profile.

I don't know, hiding your head in the sand, doesn't seem that far fetched a reaction to horrible events. Lyrics are typically so vague they can be twisted into any meaning the listener chooses.

I understand that people can look at lyrics differently, but if we're going to be all "Rah-rah-America!" and make a big show of our nation's strength, we probably shouldn't do it to an Irish band singing "I want to run/I want to hide..."

And a raspy Bono sounded great to me. Sorry, Dan, I enjoyed it.

Certainly your perogative. I just can't understand why.

Dan Perry, Tuesday, 5 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Oh gosh, I finally saw a clip of this. How is it a fitting tribute to scroll the names of the dead on a giant black curtain and then as the song ends for the names and the black monolith to collapse and fall in Trade Center stylee to the sounds of cheers, applause, and Bono's self-satisfaction?

scott p., Tuesday, 5 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i sure like bono better than right-wing nra backing celebs like bruce willis, etc.

g, Tuesday, 5 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I remember the brother of one of the British victims of the WTC saying, shortly after 9/11, that he didn't at all appreciate the way Bush was using his brother's death to whip up jingoism and crusader fervour. 'They should put him in a cage,' this guy said.

The U2 show was a similar misappropriation. Imagine WTC victims tuning in from heaven and saying to themselves: 'The downside is, we died. The upside is that we got to be a backdrop to Bono and the boys.'

(And now, of course, they've also got a bit part in a Momus satire. Lucky them!)

Momus, Tuesday, 5 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Obligitory bono-reality-check. A) the more radical elements of the anti-glob movement are quite rightfully pissed at Bono for denouncing them as provocateurs &c. while he goes and wines & dines with the brass inside that they're all pissed at. B) Also, a great deal of the more radical elements of the anti-glob movement were arguing against all this patriotic stuff while Bono was sewing that flag into his lining. So don't take him for more than the smug dilettante he is.

Sterling Clover, Tuesday, 5 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

In this way of looking at things, we could also see the entire poor of the underdeveloped world as simply a cast of extras in a video dramatising Bono's ego. But if we decide this is obscene, do we take refuge in Wittgenstein's 'Of that which we cannot speak, we should remain silent'? All representation involves misrepresentation, but that doesn't mean that nothing and no-one should ever be represented.

Momus, Tuesday, 5 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

(Also, I want to know why I've seen a million policemen and firemen declared heroes, but no tributes to electronic traders? And what's with all these new old war movies coming out of Hollywood right now? Why aren't we getting movies celebrating spot currency and derivatives brokers?)

Momus, Tuesday, 5 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

My fave moment: Kurt Warner quoting Teddy Roosevelt over low-angle dolly shot shot of football player running and waving tiny American flags! WHOA! Let's blow shit up! I am SO glad that the football season was only just underway on 9/11; if the attacks had happened a week ago the entire Middle East would be rubble.

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

If I may make a massive generalization (since I think I lost the Bono argument): Why is it that ILM's politics always seem to come out as so very *indie*?

bnw, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

What are *indie* politics?

Alex in SF, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Liberal. Reactionary. Noam Chomsky.

And just to add a point on Bono, it occurred to me there's something to be said for celebrating life in the face of death. In fact, isn't this custom at Irish funerals?

bnw, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Reactionary?!? I like Noam Chomsky a great deal more than his deranged critics (cough cough, Horovitz) but other than a few interviews I can't claim to have read or really had a great deal of interest in his work. If everyone one ILM is really liberal, I'd be pleasantly surprised. Here's to hoping.

More seriously, this isn't really about celebrating life in the face of death. I didn't watch very much of U2's performance, but the entire tenor of the Super Bowl and, indeed, most post-9/11 events have revolved around ridiculous and largely disingenous display of patriotism. Most of this is propaganda, plain and simple, and while we have yet to find a domestic scape-goat (as yet) I feel this country is moving ever closer to fascism (a la Nazi Germany). I, for one, am horrified by the direction that our government country is taking (appropriating massive amounts of money for the military, making threatening gestures towards other countries, acting unilaterily in all our decisions) and I see very little at the moment which makes me proud to be an American. "Celebrating" patriotism while blinding oneself to imperialism is incredibly misguided and anything (Bono, commercials, flag waving, etc) which distracts from the direness of our current political situation is not doing anyone any good at all, whether they are alive, dead or soon to be dead.

Alex in SF, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Chomsky is liberal?!? reactionary?!?
and i thought indie politics was all about legalising pot

hamish, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Look here if you haven't seen the Onion's infographic on superbowl halftime.

Dave225, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

sterling: what do "the more radical elements of the anti-glob movement" really believe. While I don't think there should be a disney park in every country or mcdonalds on every corner, I still see positive aspects to a global culture or connectedness at least. Maybe I'm not that up on the anti-globalization ideas, but i think as usual, the truth is in the middle (somewhere). In any case, bono is a minor player in any real political debate at this point. Tho entertainers can obviously achieve political power by becoming actual politicians, it's pretty clear there isn't much actual clout in the rock n roll constituency (did "rock the vote" really rock antyhing?)

g, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

not re: mcdonalds (bashers of which are, imho, the more stupid elements of the anti-glob movement) but rather same issues (debt relief etc.) except they're on the streets getting arrested and shot at and he's having tea with some prime ministers and explaining how he abhors their crude violence and yesyes he does agree they're all terrorists &c. So not about what they want so much as he sells the in-the-streets-crowd down the river for a photo op.

Sterling Clover, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Anti-globalization isn't about anti-world culture. It's about anti-corporate power. In the "olden days," each little world/country was ruled with absolute power by some kind of leader (monarchy, whatever). As that power system has broken down, and technology has advanced to the point of allowing global communication, trade, and involvement, big companies with lots of money have slyly taken over that role by owning large portions of stuff all over the world. Whoever controls the stuff controls the people, and right now with the way the economy has developed, it's those big companies that own the majority of the stuff. And when you research and realize just how much of the total world's stuff they collectively own, it's pretty damn scary. Especially when you connect that with their track record of social behavior--you can see how the world really is on the edge of being controlled by an oligarchy of CEO sov

laurie, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

SOVEREIGNS. STOP CUTTING ME OFF.

!!!!!!

!

laurie, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The oligarchy is watching you, Laurie.

Dan Perry, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

indie politics = they hate jocks

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Why were so many of you watching the Super Bowl?

DeRayMi, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Because I wanted to see who won.

Sterling Clover, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

But it wasn't the most exciting in years like everybody says - uh, "remember the Titans" two years ago? How quickly they forget.

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Anti-globalization isn't about anti-world culture. It's about anti-corporate power.

Only for those on the left.

Kris, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i agree with what you're saying but i don't know if it makes a big difference if there is an oligarchy of CEOs or of a more traditional sort i.e. kings.

g, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

You can behead a king.

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

You can behead a CEO too. They just frown upon it more regularly.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

You can behead a CEO too. They just frown upon it more regularly. BR> Only because HR has to get involved, and there's paperwork, etc.

Sean Carruthers, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

but i don't know if it makes a big difference if there is an oligarchy of CEOs or of a more traditional sort i.e. kings.

Oh, yeah, I don't think there's much of a difference at all: that's my point. They've simply traded job titles. They're pretty sneaky about it, too. I don't think all business and all companies are bad, I just think people need to keep aware of what's going on behind the scenes. That's the main difference from kings, I guess, is that if we yell loud enough about them trying to hurt us, somebody will hear it and it'll eventually get sorted out.

laurie, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

one year passes...
Ned: You can behead a CEO too. They just frown upon it more regularly.
Sean: Only because HR has to get involved, and there's paperwork, etc.
Insert obligatory joke about "reducing headcount"...

Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Thursday, 15 January 2004 19:32 (twenty-two years ago)

one year passes...
So many threads on Bono..so I picked this thread. Interview from the chicago tribune:
http://metromix.chicagotribune.com/chi-050521bono-transcript,1,4830080.story?coll=mmx-home_top_hedsh2o

buck van morrison (Buck Van Smack), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 02:12 (twenty years ago)

There's a separate thread on that already. Much merriment was had.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 02:14 (twenty years ago)

ahh damn. sorry ned, my bad

buck van morrison (Buck Van Smack), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 02:16 (twenty years ago)

SEE THE OMEGA CODE

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 02:17 (twenty years ago)

three years pass...

The "Make Bono Pay Taxes" Movement:

http://www.counterpunch.org/mccann02262009.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/browne02272009.html

_Rockist__Scientist_, Friday, 27 February 2009 19:30 (seventeen years ago)


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