How many minutes long (or decamoments for non-Americans) should an album be?

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I hear the complaint about too many tracks a lot, but I don't hear much about album length.

Is this just something that needs to be "felt out" on an album-to-album basis?

I always think I'm happy when I pop in a disc and it says 77+ minutes, but then again, sometimes the first 4 songs get worn out because I never have 77+ free minutes to play the whole thing or a I get bored and want to hear something else.

Should we go back to KISS-length albums, even if CDs allow much more?

Stoner Guy, Thursday, 30 June 2005 21:07 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm thinking 45 minutes is the perfect length.

Stoner Guy, Thursday, 30 June 2005 21:08 (twenty-one years ago)

35 minutes. No more than 45, please God.

Brett Hickman (Bhickman), Thursday, 30 June 2005 21:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Decamoments?

The Silent Disco of Glastonbury (Bimble...), Thursday, 30 June 2005 21:10 (twenty-one years ago)

vinyl still rules: 36-38

Another Allnighter (sexyDancer), Thursday, 30 June 2005 21:12 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah 45 is best. even dj mixes, when i'm not actually out dancing, tend to wear me down when they're longer than an hour.

strng hlkngtn, Thursday, 30 June 2005 21:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Decamoments?

I mean centimoments.

Stoner Guy, Thursday, 30 June 2005 21:24 (twenty-one years ago)

36 minutes is the perfect album length

chris besinger (chris besinger), Thursday, 30 June 2005 21:25 (twenty-one years ago)

or 99.7 decamoments

chris besinger (chris besinger), Thursday, 30 June 2005 21:26 (twenty-one years ago)

40 minutes is perfect.

30 to 35 is cheeky. The band better offer a LOT of quality in that time frame.

Over 50 is snoresville.

Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Thursday, 30 June 2005 21:50 (twenty-one years ago)

38 minutes, 12 songs.

joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Thursday, 30 June 2005 21:55 (twenty-one years ago)

50 at most. Or 11 songs at most.

Ian Riese-Moraine has been xeroxed into a conduit! (Eastern Mantra), Thursday, 30 June 2005 21:55 (twenty-one years ago)

38 minutes, 2 songs.
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Ian John50n (orion), Thursday, 30 June 2005 21:56 (twenty-one years ago)

43 minutes, 10 or 11 songs

dmun drive-in (dmun), Thursday, 30 June 2005 21:59 (twenty-one years ago)

You guys are all nuts.

48 hours.

donut e- (donut), Thursday, 30 June 2005 22:02 (twenty-one years ago)

You guys are all nuts.
48 hours.

TANTRIC!

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 30 June 2005 22:14 (twenty-one years ago)

28 to 35 is ideal, 45-47 max.

I.M. (I.M.), Thursday, 30 June 2005 22:26 (twenty-one years ago)

no more than 45 minutes. less than 30 is great!

shine headlights on me (electricsound), Thursday, 30 June 2005 22:29 (twenty-one years ago)

In fact, as far as proper albums go, the only thing I have against CDs is their "go ahead and add a couple more tracks--you've got 80 minutes!" effect.

For compilations, if they're well sequenced, I appreciate the 80min factor. And I'm known to take advantage of it. I try to mix shorter, but very few mix ideas (as opposed to sit-and-listen album ideas) call for pith more than abundance of joy.

I.M. (I.M.), Thursday, 30 June 2005 22:29 (twenty-one years ago)

I LOVE maxing out CDR80s... I just treat it as two 40 minute mixes segued into a double one.

Next: oreo cookie lovers that hate double stuffed oreos.

donut e- (donut), Thursday, 30 June 2005 22:33 (twenty-one years ago)

40 to 45 minutes is perfect.

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Friday, 1 July 2005 01:46 (twenty years ago)

Eps >>>> albums, so, under 25 minutes is best (esp for beginners)

In extreme cases, up to 45 (one side of a C-90) is ok.

Beyond that, no fucking way (though it's been pulled off once or twice, I admit.)

xhuxk, Friday, 1 July 2005 01:49 (twenty years ago)

I mean, the Angry Samoans made better albums than you ever will (probably) (if you are in a band), and all their albums were something like 17 minutes long!

xhuxk, Friday, 1 July 2005 01:50 (twenty years ago)

Then again, I'm not saying my *favorite* albums are that short (not even necessarily 45 minutes short), I'm just saying you have a way better chance of making a keepable or likeable one if it' s that short. I'm suggesting you play the odds. (On the other hand, Frank Kogan, who actually programs his CDs {I never have} sez ALL albums in the CD era are EPs, and maybe he's right.)

xhuxk, Friday, 1 July 2005 02:05 (twenty years ago)

Hey, xhuxk makes a great point. I didn't realize this but when I was a kid, my friends and I would tape trade copies for each other because we were broke. I always would have two albums on one 90 minute cassette and these were all my favorite albums for the longest time. To this day, those albums all seem sort of great even if I can't really listen to them anymore. I have a feeling it is because they were well-planned and under 45 minutes. Or, in some cases, I remember I'd make them fit by just deleting one or two lame songs from the sequence.

Stoner Guy, Friday, 1 July 2005 02:07 (twenty years ago)

I like 47.5 to 50. Better over 50 than under 47.5

Tokyo Ghost Stories (Tokyo Ghost Stories), Friday, 1 July 2005 02:51 (twenty years ago)

Less than 40 minutes makes it feel like the band made a halfassed effort. More than 45 cannot fit onto a side of a 90-minute tape. I really feel cheated after spending $13.99 on less than 35 minutes of music.

However, for double-CD's, the lengths of at least one of the 2 discs had better be over 60 minutes, and the other had better be at least over 50, or else they may as well have just trimmed it down to a single disc.

billstevejim (billstevejim), Friday, 1 July 2005 03:31 (twenty years ago)

Less than 40 minutes makes it feel like the band made a halfassed effort.

severe editing takes more effort than just stuffing on every dreg they recorded!

shine headlights on me (electricsound), Friday, 1 July 2005 03:37 (twenty years ago)

All my albums seem to be about an hour long these days. 45 minutes might be a perfect length (or thereabouts), but it doesn't seem very common anymore.

Stoner Guy, Friday, 1 July 2005 03:46 (twenty years ago)

As long as possible for me. I like 'em big and sprawling, and I know how to use that amazing piece of technology called the skip button. Maximum value for the people! Feast not famine!

Haikunym (Haikunym), Friday, 1 July 2005 03:53 (twenty years ago)

One hour.

Cheek0 (Cheek0), Friday, 1 July 2005 03:54 (twenty years ago)

48-50 minutes because it's long enough to make you think, "hey, there's a lot of great songs here." But not TOO long, because unless the band is insanely hot at the time, they'll fall victim to Down On The Upside syndrome.

kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Friday, 1 July 2005 04:09 (twenty years ago)

Down On The Upside syndrome

what is that? I see it is a Soundgarden album I've never heard of. Are you saying it was a huge flop because it was too damn long?

Stoner Guy, Friday, 1 July 2005 04:13 (twenty years ago)

> all their albums were something like 17 minutes long!

Does one pay LP price or EP price for such an album? Like Barenaked Ladies, I'm all about value.

P.S. My all-time favorite album, Red Octopus by the Jefferson Starship, clocks in at 42 minutes. Perfect!

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Friday, 1 July 2005 04:19 (twenty years ago)

I really feel cheated after spending $13.99 on less than 35 minutes of music

For some reason this is cracking me up.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 1 July 2005 05:15 (twenty years ago)

In the '90s, a 30-second fading feedback squeal at the end of every grunge song probably ended up adding upwards of 5 minutes to an album!

joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Friday, 1 July 2005 05:32 (twenty years ago)

While 36-50 decamoments is nearly always sufficient for a pazz or jop long-playing album type statement, compilations and classical compendiums are where I concur with Haikunym: those that aren't striving for 79:51 better have a good reason!

Nag! Nag! Nag! (Nag! Nag! Nag!), Friday, 1 July 2005 06:40 (twenty years ago)

I really feel cheated after spending $13.99 on less than 35 minutes of music

I really feel cheated after spending $13.99 and having to manually use my skip button. Someone else should do that for me. 40 minutes is the max.

Unless a comp., then agreed 79:51.

JC-L (JC-L), Saturday, 2 July 2005 00:40 (twenty years ago)

I LOVE maxing out CDR80s... I just treat it as two 40 minute mixes segued into a double one.

Yeah, I have come up against several situations where I would have liked to get more onto a CDR80. (yes I know it's possible to do so, but then I can't play it on my discman/boom box/CD player, which frankly ruins it for me) But then I also have times when I end up with a lot of blank space and then awkwardly wonder how or whether I should fill it up. Can't win, I guess.

The old adage that 45 min. was best because you could fit it on one side of a 90 min. cassette tape was all fine and good, except that I found out the hard way too many damn times that Fall albums just did NOT cooperate with that.

I think it may be a mistake to blame the bonus track phenomenon - if an artist specifically sets out to fill that space at the time of doing the album, that's really a much different thing than having things added on at the end later which may or may not have fit with the quality and/or style of the original LP etc.

Recently on a walk I listened to my new CD of Tubeway Army's The Plan. Now I like this stuff quite a lot, and did when I had the vinyl, but even though I walked for an hour I still didn't come to the end of it, and I have to admit it did get a bit samey after awhile. Still I wouldn't trade it for anything in the world, so I don't know what to say, mixed feelings.

All of this is a ridiculously verbose way of saying I'm going to agree with Donut on this one.

The Silent Disco of Glastonbury (Bimble...), Saturday, 2 July 2005 02:24 (twenty years ago)

Still, I BRISTLE at the idea that the U.S. is the only country in the world who refers to what we call minutes as 'minutes'. I mean, let's just try even that much harder to get the rest of the world to hate us and prove their suspicions of our ignorance and arrogance why don't you?

The Silent Disco of Glastonbury (Bimble...), Saturday, 2 July 2005 02:28 (twenty years ago)

Merely suggesting that I, being a stupid American, don't know any better and suspect time is probably logically broken down into 10's elsewhere. A joke, if you will, from a guy goes by the name of Stoner Guy.

Stoner Guy, Saturday, 2 July 2005 02:40 (twenty years ago)

only by the aztecs in alien vs predator.

keith m (keithmcl), Saturday, 2 July 2005 03:17 (twenty years ago)

For me it depends. For example part of the appeal of the Ramones debut is that it's so rapid (in all senses) but you could imagine translating the same thinking to a Lil Jon album. Hip hop is slightly warped by the myriad of sketches which might take up a total of 4 or 5 minutes. So in conclusion, it depends what's on an album.

I will say though that it's sometimes nice to know you've only got half an hour and just fish out Andrew WK's "I Get Wet" which just doesn't let up.

Nick H (Nick H), Saturday, 2 July 2005 12:00 (twenty years ago)

Bimble, admittedly by this point "decamoments" sounds completely archaic to us over here.

Ian Riese-Moraine has been xeroxed into a conduit! (Eastern Mantra), Saturday, 2 July 2005 12:19 (twenty years ago)

Part of the problem is that there's no physically unavoidable way to break the running time of a CD down into smaller chunks, aka "sides." My listening habits were mostly developed in the cassette to CD transition era, and it was pretty rare to just flip a cassette and listen to side two immediately after side one (lets just pretend there's no such thing as autoreverse, since most machines didn't do it.) Older vinyl guys tell me the same thing happened with lps. So, an 80 minute double album is really more like four twenty minute sequences than a ridiculously long stretch.

Austin Still (Austin, Still), Saturday, 2 July 2005 13:18 (twenty years ago)

The idea of there is a finite limit of time that makes an album better or not is complete bullshit.

There are 42 minute albums with lots of filler. Since the 50s. And today.

There are 79 minute CDs that are solid. Since the advent of the CD. And today.

Genres make no difference.

Artists, with occasional advice/force from producers and labels, ultimately determine what gets put on their CD releases. They will care or not what their market is, and edit/expand the sequencing accordingly. There is no magic "maximum time". Whatever works, works. Sometimes it does. Sometimes it doesn't.

I'm not going to tell Robert Rich or the Wu-Tang Clan that they should stick to 38 minute CDs, nor am I going to tell Beyonc´, Coldplay, or U2 that they should release double 80-minute CD opuses.

If it's too long, edit it yourself. (That's what I did with, for example, Pavement's Wowee Zowee.) If it's too short, append it with B-sides and stuff from other collections.

The greatest thing about the iPod or even mp3 Cd players is that it helps to eliminate the notion of a "limit", yet doesn't force people to be limitless. But for people like me who enjoy listening to 4 hours of self-sequenced music mixes non-stop while on a train or a plane, i don't need to be told that I should accept no more than 25 to 45 minutes of a song cycle to be valid and good.

donut e- (donut), Saturday, 2 July 2005 22:29 (twenty years ago)

I will agree though that 25-45 minutes is a better range of time than longer if wer'e talking in the context of the quality of an album for the purpose of reviewing. The longer an album is, the better chance of there being songs that the reviewer will not care for...

..which slides neatly with xhuxkxkxk's comment about EPs being "better" than albums.

I just get defensive when this notion of time limits expands to custom mixes, and not just "traditional" albums, per se.

donut e- (donut), Saturday, 2 July 2005 22:32 (twenty years ago)

I've spend the past 13 months trying to figure this out, and the answer is 29 minutes and 43 seconds. This includes the obligatory 2 seconds at the beginning of every audio-cd. You're welcome!

marcdrums (marcdrums), Saturday, 2 July 2005 22:45 (twenty years ago)

Doolittle is 38.5 minutes, which seems about right.

Petroski (petroski), Sunday, 3 July 2005 05:15 (twenty years ago)

xpost

Ha ha! Mathematician in the house!

The Silent Disco of Glastonbury (Bimble...), Sunday, 3 July 2005 06:02 (twenty years ago)

I would say this depends of several factors:

- The genre (prog and electronica albums may last for 70 minutes or more, while 70 minutes may be a bit too much for a punk album.
- The amount of ideas and good songs available from the artist's creative output at the time.
- The concept (lots may disagree with me, but I feel that if there is a concept, the album may use 10 or 20 extra minutes just devoted to stuff that "fits the concept", stuff that would otherwise have been completely out of place out of context)

Geir Hongro, Sunday, 3 July 2005 16:25 (twenty years ago)

If it's too long, edit it yourself.


I did this a lot with CD albums in the late 90s and early 2000s, till I pretty much gave up on buying contemporary music for now.

To name but one fairly banal example, editing about 30 minutes out of that last Yo La Tengo record made it much more tolerable. But it also started to seem a little silly.

I.M. (I.M.), Sunday, 3 July 2005 17:47 (twenty years ago)

About 50 minutes.

Lyra Jane (Lyra Jane), Thursday, 7 July 2005 14:18 (twenty years ago)


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