Free form jazz mid seventies query/help.

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This is a tricky one since I don't have much info. Double album back in the seventies (weren't they all? Well, no actually), a jazz avant garde super group with Don Cherry and Michael Mantler plus others I can't recall. Four tracks, each twenty minutes of free form 'blowing' and drum chaos in a mirror finish sleeve. Not much to go on I know but if you can put me out of my misery and help track it down I'd be obliged.

― tolstoy (tolstoy), Saturday, 2 July 2005 09:01 (nineteen years ago)

jazz composers orchestra

cecil taylor

don cherry
roswell rudd
pharoah snaders
larry coryell (!)
gato barbieri

composed and conducted by michael mantler

(jcoa virgin)

(don't know who the drummers might have been - that line-up is blared on the sleeve, which is indeed mirrored silver)

(this is a guess, i have seen it but nevcer heard it)

― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 2 July 2005 09:07 (nineteen years ago)

marcello will know but he is off about town at the moment i think - i am seeing him later so i will ask if i remember

(we are not meeting at live 8!!)

(we are attending a select counter-festival of skronky improv d00ds called "CAN'T PAY MAKE'EM PAY er 8")

― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 2 July 2005 09:11 (nineteen years ago)

googling reveals mantler discog

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 2 July 2005 09:12 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I think Tolstoy is inquiring about this bad boy :

http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drc600/c674/c67439vs4b1.jpg

turns out that the CD appears out-of-print. Who knew? on Amazon.Us it is here:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00000321H/qid=1120299066/sr=1-23/ref=sr_1_23/103-4204839-3895845?v=glance&s=music

..maybe check for used copies? or a return to in-print-ness? Shouldn't be too hard to find eventually though, i would think..

― Stormy Davis (diamond), Saturday, 2 July 2005 09:13 (nineteen years ago)

if i were not abt to leave the house i would play me some mantler right now i think

one of the morbidly gloomy solo ones maybe

and sit in my room pretending to be david stubbs!!

― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 2 July 2005 09:15 (nineteen years ago)

Hey my favorite people are here ! Julio and Mark S. Well, I can report that we are flying the improv flag and fighting the man here in chicago.

I just got the ISKRA 1903 3cd set! Aren't I a happy boy?

― Stormy Davis (diamond), Saturday, 2 July 2005 09:15 (nineteen years ago)

Paul Rutherford walked right by me two weeks ago.

can you feel the goosebumps?? i ain't shittin dog!

― Stormy Davis (diamond), Saturday, 2 July 2005 09:16 (nineteen years ago)

the Rutherford set I saw - with Vandermark and Torsten Mueller - was in fact a bit disappointing; it never really did click. But that's fine; that's improv, of course. Real treat to be in the presence of a master like PR. He was still great to behold..

man, that first Iskra disc really is just one of those improv templates, right up there with KARYOBIN, just classic stuff...

― Stormy Davis (diamond), Saturday, 2 July 2005 09:25 (nineteen years ago)

hey stormy good to see you around. yes I really like that iskra set.

I don't think I've bought a single improv disc all year.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 2 July 2005 09:28 (nineteen years ago)

the pharaoh sanders track on this alb is one of the all-time great free jazz sax blurt blow outs

― Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Saturday, 2 July 2005 09:30 (nineteen years ago)

Yay Julio I will be in touch my friend; I owe you about 20 cds ... :)

they will be forthcoming! meanwhile my love of this music has never been stronger. god yes that Iskra thing --- which I'd never heard before and had always been on my 'Want List' --- is outstanding!

― Stormy Davis (diamond), Saturday, 2 July 2005 09:33 (nineteen years ago)

I love this site. Thanks folk.

― tolstoy (tolstoy), Saturday, 2 July 2005 10:05 (nineteen years ago)

i still need "karyobin." i think i'm gonna sell a lot of jazz lps soon dudes.

― hstencil (hstencil), Saturday, 2 July 2005 10:15 (nineteen years ago)

You can still order that JCOA disc direct from ECM in Germany, I believe. A couple of years ago I reached out to the label's US publicist and had her scare me up a copy. It's fucking great, worth whatever trouble you go to to get it.

― pdf (Phil Freeman), Saturday, 2 July 2005 13:24 (nineteen years ago)

oh! i forgot to ask marcello!!

that is possibly bcz a big red dog came and pushed us over and STOLE OUR SANDWICHES!! this is true!!!

― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 2 July 2005 15:28 (nineteen years ago)

I'll second (3rd?) the praise of Karyobin & Iskra. I haven't heard the JCO yet. ... and 'Hi" Julio! Long time no see... :) How's the Rallizes collection coming?

― John Bullabaugh (John Bullabaugh), Saturday, 2 July 2005 16:06 (nineteen years ago)

hey john the rallizes colletion goes good thx for asking have a few more boots thanks to ilxers.

hope its all good with you.

SEM were important in historical terms but iskra was a much better, tighter group than SME circa karyobin.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 2 July 2005 16:48 (nineteen years ago)

Thanks for the tip pdf. 'tis now heading my way. I used to blast this out when seeking the muse.

― tolstoy (tolstoy), Saturday, 2 July 2005 18:03 (nineteen years ago)

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