The Redskins, Classic or Dud !

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Remember when bands would be asked, and would answer "Well, we're not political like the Redskins, but there is a political element to what we do" like nowadays no-one's even as political as Will Young!

Back when you could call for the collapse of the capitalist system over a gentle acoustic strum and flute, the redskins would come on like classic motown and make fantastic singles that would sound great on the radio (but the radio understood the sentiments and hid them)...

The Power is Yours!
Kick over the Statues!
It can be done again!
Hold On!

oh and Keep on keeping on!

(HAH!)

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 4 July 2005 14:40 (twenty years ago)

Terrible, terrible music! They never did come on "like classic motown"!! They were grim rubbish! Gah!

Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 4 July 2005 14:44 (twenty years ago)

Norm. I'm gutted. For 30 seconds.

HAH!

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 4 July 2005 14:45 (twenty years ago)

classic classic classic.

Jack Battery-Pack (Jack Battery-Pack), Monday, 4 July 2005 15:39 (twenty years ago)

The album I have (since the day) whas an extra unlisted track somewhere in the middle of side two, which isn't on the CD re-issue.

There is also a fine live CD on Dojo.

Does anyone have the live stuff they did on "Whatever you want" the Keith Allen Channel 4 prog?

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 4 July 2005 15:41 (twenty years ago)

i always liked "lean on me" but that wz it

i haven't encountered mr moore in print or IRL in years

(haha tho he and his fellow S*W*P-er swellsy HATED EACH OTHER)

the ex described the LP as:
"the world-historical compromise between the socialist international and london records"

(= a eurocommunism joke ppl DO YOU SEE)

mark s (mark s), Monday, 4 July 2005 15:54 (twenty years ago)

Very interesting you should bring The Redskins up, Mark! Saturday I was out shopping for clothes at thrift stores and of course they always have a little section of ridiculously cheap vinyl at those places and I was amazed to find a Redskins record in there of all things. So I got it just because I remembered their name always being in the UK indie charts back then. However, when I got home and put the record on it was crap, sadly.

The Silent Disco of Glastonbury (Bimble...), Monday, 4 July 2005 19:25 (twenty years ago)

Which one was it?

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 07:26 (twenty years ago)

"lean on me" was pretty good, "jeepster" ripoff though it was.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 07:27 (twenty years ago)

"jeepster" ripoff because it was!!

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 07:41 (twenty years ago)

quite.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 07:43 (twenty years ago)

one year passes...
This thread isn't long enough.

"Keep On Keepin On" playing right now and it is fucking brilliant.

Venga (Venga), Saturday, 29 July 2006 03:46 (nineteen years ago)

three years pass...

Insurgence Records will be releasing the Redskins 'Epilogue' CD (cat no IR033) on 17th March. The CD can be pre-ordered now using the following link -

http://www.insurgence.net/releaseinfo_ir033.htm

Redskins 'Epilogue' CD track listing is:

1. Lev Bronstein ( A side)
2. Peasant Army (B side)
Band line-up: Chris Dean (gtr / vox) Martin Hewes (bass) Nick King (drums)

Produced by: John Langford
Recorded at: KG Music Studios, Bridlington, UK April 1982
Publisher: Low Noise Music
Label and Catalogue Number : CNT 007 – released July 1982

3. Lean On Me (A side)
4. Unionize (B side)

Band line-up: Chris Dean (gtr / vox) Martin Hewes (bass) Nick King (drums)

Brass Section: Steve Nichol (trumpet) Lloyd Dwyer (sax)
Produced by: Adrian Collins
Recorded at: Berry Street Studios, London, UK April 1983
Engineered by: Steve Forward and Dave Hunt
Publisher: Low Noise Music
Label and Catalogue Number : CNT 016 – released August 1983

5. Keep On Keeping On
6. It Can Be Done
7. A Plateful Of Hateful

Above 3 tracks demos for London/Decca Records.
Band line-up: Chris Dean (gtr / vox) Martin Hewes (bass) Nick King (drums)

Brass Section: Steve Nichol (trumpet) Lloyd Dwyer (sax)
Produced by: John Langford / Adrian Collins
Recorded at: The Point Studios, London, UK April 1984

8. Don't Talk To Me About Whether (Live)

Band line-up: Chris Dean (gtr / vox) Martin Hewes (bass) Paul Hookham (drums)

Brass Section: Kevin Robinson (trumpet) Brian Edwards (sax) Trevor Edwards (trombone)
Engineered and recorded live by: Sal
Recorded in: Munster, Germany May 1986

9. Strike
10. Unnamed
11. Stickies

Above 3 tracks by the pre-Redskins band No Swastikas.
Band line-up: Chris Dean (gtr / vox) Martin Hewes (bass) Nick King (drums)

Recorded in: a living room near York, UK in 1981 on a Tascam 244 portastudio

Hidden track:

12. The Most Obvious Sensible Thing (Live)

Band line-up: Chris Dean (gtr / vox) Martin Hewes (bass) Paul Hookham (drums) Ray Carless (sax)

Recorded at: BBC Maida Vale Studios in summer 1986 for John Peel (never broadcast)

Mark G, Friday, 12 February 2010 10:05 (fifteen years ago)

Used to love "Bring It Down"

Chris Dean used to write epic feature articles for NME under the name X Moore. I remember one other article about them, I don't think he actually wrote it but the Redskins were on the cover and the piece was like this phantasmagoric stream-of-consciousness monologue. Fantastic stuff.

anagram, Friday, 12 February 2010 10:21 (fifteen years ago)

Never bought a redskins record, but will own up to buying a red harrington cos i thought i'd look cool. I looked a prat, of course, and its definitely not my colour.

Dr X O'Skeleton, Friday, 12 February 2010 11:52 (fifteen years ago)

tried really hard, but i never was convinced to think of their showed political attitude as smth credible.
yes, sympathy for the (failed) idea to establish an opposition to a post-subculture partly seized by NF followers.
in my corroded memory, the music sounded to me like JoBoxers with guitars.

no offense at ALL.

meisenfek, Friday, 12 February 2010 15:27 (fifteen years ago)

seven years pass...

"phantasmagoric stream-of-consciousness monologue" mentioned above wz by one p.morley, an interview written up in the transferred 1st person

mark s, Friday, 5 May 2017 14:56 (eight years ago)

Thanks for that. The last words of the piece were "I shouldn't really have done all that talking." I haven't reread the piece in all these years (is it reprinted anywhere? is there a collection of Morley's NME journalism, because if not there should be) but that sign-off has stuck with me.

heaven parker (anagram), Monday, 8 May 2017 10:02 (eight years ago)

'Ask' is the only collection afaik and that was published in 86 and is only available for stupid prices secondhand. No Redskins interview in it, so save your pennies.

Dan Worsley, Monday, 8 May 2017 10:18 (eight years ago)

I probably have a copy of it somewhere -- whether quick to dig out I don't know, but I could scan it if I can locate it.

mark s, Monday, 8 May 2017 10:25 (eight years ago)

Thanks for the offer, but don't worry too much.

heaven parker (anagram), Monday, 8 May 2017 10:50 (eight years ago)

one year passes...

chris dean's epic two-part NME piece on the miners' strike (1984-85, pub.jan 85) now available to read here (subs only for a day or three): https://www.patreon.com/posts/x-moores-2-part-22373025

mark s, Tuesday, 30 October 2018 10:53 (seven years ago)

two years pass...

And, finally, the deluxe box set

For the very first time, London Records reissue the 1986 debut album - and only studio album – by http://i.imgur.com/QbYzHTH.jpg, Neither Washington Nor Moscow, on vinyl and 4CD Boxset.

The reissue comes complete with new sleeve notes by http://i.imgur.com/QbYzHTH.jpg bassist Martin Hewes, and the CD boxset includes a 68-page booklet with liner notes from Hewes and http://i.imgur.com/QbYzHTH.jpg drummer Paul Hookham (who replaced original drummer Nick King in 1985) and renowned contemporaries including Billy Bragg and Paul Morley.

http://i.imgur.com/QbYzHTH.jpg were formed in York in 1982 by Chris Dean (vocals / guitar), Martin Hewes (bass / backing vocals) and Nick King (drums), with the ambition to “sing like The Supremes and walk like The Clash”. Dean and Hewes were members of the Socialist Workers Party and politics guided the music created by http://i.imgur.com/QbYzHTH.jpg, their soulful songs brimming with righteous passion. Six tracks on Neither Washington Nor Moscow were released as singles, including the band’s only Top 40 “Bring It Down! (This Insane Thing)” and the prophetic “Kick Over The Statues”. http://i.imgur.com/QbYzHTH.jpg split in late 1986, leaving a legacy and influence that stretches far beyond their short recording career.

LP Tracklist:
A1 The Power Is Yours
A2 Kick Over the Statues!
A3 Go Get Organized!
A4 It Can Be Done!
A5 Keep On Keepin’ On!
A6 (Burn It Up) Bring It Down! (This Insane Thing)
B1 Hold On!
B2 Turnin’ Loose (This Furious Flames)
B3 Take No Heroes!
B4 The Crack
B5 Let’s Make It Work!
B6 Lean On Me!
B7. Lean On Me! (Reprise - ‘The Return Of The Modern Soul Classic’

CD Info and Tracklist:

4 discs- 67 tracks. The reissue comes complete with new sleeve notes by http://i.imgur.com/QbYzHTH.jpg bassist Martin Hewes, and the boxset will include a 68-page booklet with liner notes from Hewes and http://i.imgur.com/QbYzHTH.jpg drummer Paul Hookham (who replaced original drummer Nick King in 1985) and renowned contemporaries including Billy Bragg and Paul Morley. Plus photos, lyrics and essays.

A1 The Power Is Yours
A2 Kick Over the Statues!
A3 Go Get Organized!
A4 It Can Be Done!
A5 Keep On Keepin’ On!
A6 (Burn It Up) Bring It Down! (This Insane Thing)
A7 Hold On!
A8 Turnin’ Loose (This Furious Flames)
A9 Take No Heroes!
A10 The Crack
A11 Let’s Make It Work!
A12 Lean On Me!
A13 Lean On Me! (Reprise - ‘The Return Of The Modern Soul Classic’
A14 16 Tons (Coal Not Dole)
A15 Reds Strike The Blues (Take 4)
A16 99 And A Half Won’t Do (with Reprise)
A17 You Want It? They Got It!
A18 A Plateful Of Hateful
A19 Take Your Gods And Bury Them (‘Take No Heroes’ - Alternative Version)

B1 Bring It Down! (This Insane Thing) - 12” Version
B2 Keep On Keepin’ On! (Die On Your Feet 12” Mix) Produced by Ted de Bono, Mixed by http://i.imgur.com/QbYzHTH.jpg
B3 The Power Is Yours (MGM Mix by Stephen Street)
B4 Keep On Keepin' On (Original March ’84 - 12” Mix)
B5 It Can Be Done! 7” Version (Additional Recording and Mix by Stephen Street Alternate Mix)
B6 You Want It? They Got It! (Alternate Jammin’ Magazine Mix)
B7 Bring It Down! (This Insane Thing) (7” More FX Mix)
B8 Keep On Keepin’ On! (Live in ’85 from the ‘Kick Over Apartheid Tour’)
B9 Let’s Make It Work! (Live in ’85 from the ‘Kick Over Apartheid Tour’)
B10 Bring It Down! (Live in ’85 from the ‘Kick Over Apartheid Tour’)
B11 Kick Over The Statues! (Live in ’85 from the ‘Kick Over Apartheid Tour’)
B12 Tracks Of My Tears (Live in ’85 from the ‘Kick Over Apartheid Tour’) with Billy Bragg
B13 Back In The USSR (Live in ’85 from the ‘Kick Over Apartheid Tour’)
B14 Skinhead Moonstomp (Live in ’85 from the ‘Kick Over Apartheid Tour’) with Jerry Dammers
B15 Keep On Keepin’ On! (Live in ’85 from the ‘Kick Over Apartheid Tour’) - Speech Version with Bruce George, South African Activist

C1 The Power is Yours (Live At The Town And Country Club, 22nd Apr, 1986)
C2 Kick Over the Statues! (Live At The Town And Country Club, 22nd April, 1986)
C3 Hold On! (Live At The Town And Country Club, 22nd April, 1986)
C4 The Crack (Live At The Town And Country Club, 22nd April, 1986)
C5 99 And A Half Won’t Do (Live At The Town And Country Club, 22nd April, 1986)
C6 Let’s Make It Work! (Live At The Town And Country Club, 22nd April, 1986)
C7 Unioinize / Pickin’ The Blues (Peel Session, 9th Oct, 1982)
C8 Reds Strike the Blues (Peel Session, 9th Oct, 1982)
C9 Kick Over the Statues! (Peel Session, 9th Oct ’82)
C10 The Peasant Army (Peel Session, 9th Oct ’82)
C11 Young And Proud (Peel Session, 8th Aug ’83)
C12 Hold On! (Peel Session, 8th Aug ’83)
C13 99 And A Half Won’t Do (Peel Session, 8th Aug ’83)
C14 Take No Heroes! (Peel Session, 8th Aug ’83)
C15 A Plateful Of Hateful (Kid Jensen Session, 16th Jan ’84)
C16 It Can Be Done! (Kid Jensen Session, 16th Jan ’84)
C17 Keep On Keepin’ On! (Kid Jensen Session, 16th Jan ’84)

D1 Lev Bronstein (CNT 7”, 1982)
D2 The Peasant Army (CNT 7”, 1982)
D3 Lean on Me (Original CNT 7” Single)
D4 Unionize (CNT 7”, 1983)
D5 Move / Let My Words Be Bullets (Live in Munich, 1986)
D6 Don’t Talk To Me About Whether (Live In Munster, 1986)
D7 Levi Stubbs Tears (Live in Munich, 1986)
D8 The Most Obvious Sensible Thing (Unissued Session, 1986)
D9 Lean On Me (Northern Mix, CNT 12”, 1983)
D10 Unionize (Break Mix, CNT 12”, 1983)
D11 Stickies (Demo, 1981) as ‘No Swastikas’
D12 Strike (Demo, 1981) as ‘No Swastikas’
D13 Unnamed (Demo, 1981) as ‘No Swastikas’
D14 Anglo-Irish Summit Tapes: Interview with http://i.imgur.com/QbYzHTH.jpg, 1986
D15 I Can’t Stand The Boss (Live Bootleg, ICA, London, 1986) w/ introduction from Martin Hewes
D16 Names Were Named (Live Bootleg, SWAPO Festival, Italy, 1986)

Label London
Genre New Wave / Post Punk
Artist The
Released 17/12/21
Catalogue Number LMS5521469

Mark G, Friday, 22 October 2021 22:36 (four years ago)

Ah, the old Redskins substitution.

Mark G, Sunday, 24 October 2021 16:30 (four years ago)

Neither Washington Nor Dallas

juristic person (morrisp), Sunday, 24 October 2021 17:32 (four years ago)

Chris Dean has basically disappeared, hasn't he?

joni mitchell jarre (anagram), Sunday, 24 October 2021 17:35 (four years ago)

yes

mark s, Sunday, 24 October 2021 17:37 (four years ago)

as of last time i checked this, which was about a year ago. it's possible that ppl very close to him -- like former bandmates and so on -- are simply keeping quiet about his whereabouts bcz that's how he wants it, but ppl not quite so close once upon a time say they have no idea

mark s, Sunday, 24 October 2021 17:40 (four years ago)


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